Scott Twine - Signed on Four Year Deal - Official

[Shauntaylor85]

12 hours ago, fly in the air said:

I hope Arsenal win the premiership this season. great to watch. if we had a bit of ambition and get the player or players our manager would like maybe we could do what Ipswich have done. 

They will win it, to be honest by a few points before the end. They are the most settled club, no issues surrounding them, a driven head coach who I was sat behind yesterday and you would have thought it was a UCL semi final the way he was on touchline, demands high standards. They also play the best football in the PL, not slow and lethargic like Man City. City are weaker this season and I don’t see anyone else challenging those two. 

[Red_30]

57 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Just heard Manning’s press conference and he speaks around being confident about adding more players before the end of the window. So clearly we want more than just a 10. 

I thought when he said “it’s a waiting game” was interesting. Assuming Twine has been his no.1 target maybe the deal is done but something is holding it up? Funds from Conway most likely reason? Or is the “ambitious” swap deal on?

[mozo]

3 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

It’s a number 8 we need to play at top of a midfield 3, two pacy wide players and a central powerful striker. That’s how the Liverpool and Arsenal’s play and it’s exciting. 

I think your view of a number 8 and number 10 are different from mine. I see Odegaard and Jota and Foden as 10s, not 8s. 

What are Bird and Knight? Do you see then as 6s or 8s?

[BCFC31]

3 hours ago, BobBobBobbin said:

The issue is that people use catch all terms to describe a vast array of different roles and player types. Nobody can define what an 8 or a 10 actually is. Is an 8 a box to box? a Mezzala? is a 10 a playmaker? a second striker? a deep lying forward? a central winger? 

Numerical positions (I use them too, so we're all guilty) aren't relevant. Formations aren't relevant. It's about the roles individuals are asked to perform. 

 

A 10 is a playmaker a 2nd striker usually plays just off the shoulder of the number 9

[BobBobBobbin]

Just now, BCFC31 said:

A 10 is a playmaker a 2nd striker usually plays just off the shoulder of the number 9

yes, but in a 4231 the player occupying the middle of the 3 can be either, which is the point. That's what the majority consider a 10. the guy behind the striker in the middle. 

a ten can be a driving player, can be a deep target man (Fellaini/McTominay/Cahill/Soucek).

People would describe Kaka as a 10, People would describe Riquelme as a 10. You couldn't find more different players. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

My favourite type of 10 or perhaps that is more of an Attacking Midfielder is someone who can slot in behind the striker in Phase 1, chip in and then back into a central 3 in other phases.

Twine isn't that kinda player IMO. More of a pure 10?

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

20 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

My favourite type of 10 or perhaps that is more of an Attacking Midfielder is someone who can slot in behind the striker in Phase 1, chip in and then back into a central 3 in other phases.

Twine isn't that kinda player IMO. More of a pure 10?

Or Chip over and just Volly that bastard right in the net, and leave Scotland stunned and the England fans screaming.  Though Gazza was an 8.  

Edited August 8 by Lorenzos Only Goal

[italian dave]

Don’t tell me we’ve spent all summer talking about a number 10; our options for a 10, our preferred 10, tracking interview references to a 10, 10s that other clubs have signed…….and now we’re debating what we mean by a 10..

[BCFC31]

1 hour ago, BobBobBobbin said:

yes, but in a 4231 the player occupying the middle of the 3 can be either, which is the point. That's what the majority consider a 10. the guy behind the striker in the middle. 

a ten can be a driving player, can be a deep target man (Fellaini/McTominay/Cahill/Soucek).

People would describe Kaka as a 10, People would describe Riquelme as a 10. You couldn't find more different players. 

I think people are just over complaining it, different players do different things.

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, BCFC31 said:

A 10 is a playmaker a 2nd striker usually plays just off the shoulder of the number 9

Perfect position for Nahki Wells.

Experienced and creative with decent goalscoring record. If Manning played him there there’d be room for both Fally and Armstrong.

[BCFC31]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Perfect position for Nahki Wells.

Experienced and creative with decent goalscoring record. If Manning played him there there’d be room for both Fally and Armstrong.

Wells would be decent as a 2nd striker off a more physical mayulu or armstrong I reackon 

[Mr Popodopolous]

14 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Perfect position for Nahki Wells.

Experienced and creative with decent goalscoring record. If Manning played him there there’d be room for both Fally and Armstrong.

Do you mean Wells at 10 plus Fally and Armstrong.

Or a solid 4-4 base say and Wells behind one of Fally or Armstrong?

Edited August 8 by Mr Popodopolous

[Robbored]

16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Are you suggesting Wells at 10 plus Fally and Armstrong.

Or a solid 4-4 base say and Wells behind one of Fally or Armstrong?

I’m not a great fan of formations Mr Pop. I keep it pretty simple. Defenders, midfielders and forwards.

Last season City had a poor goal return essentially because Manning rarely if ever played two strikers.There was no ‘presence’ with either TC or Wells up top alone neither were capable of bullying defenders. There’ll be more options for Manning this time around.

I reckon Wells playing a creative role behind the two strikers would be perfect for him. 

For the students of the game something like - 4-3-1-2……….not so different from the 4-4-2 template…….

Edited August 8 by Robbored

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m not a great fan of formations Mr Pop. I keep it pretty simple. Defenders, midfielders and forwards.

Last season City had a poor goal return essentially because Manning rarely if ever played two strikers.There was no ‘presence’ with either TC or Wells up top alone neither were capable of bullying defenders. There’ll be more options for Manning this time around.

I reckon Wells playing a creative role behind the two strikers would be perfect for him. 

For the students of the game something like - 4-3-1-2……….not so different from the 4-4-2 template…….

Ah so RR a solid base of Williams, Bird and Knight behind.

Or will we be putting wide players central? It would be intriguing- Yu, Sykes, Bell, Mehmeti?

[Shauntaylor85]

27 minutes ago, BCFC31 said:

Wells would be decent as a 2nd striker off a more physical mayulu or armstrong I reackon 

Nobody plays the way at top level. It’s basically a 4.4.2. This is how we should set up:

 

                          Armstrong

           Yu                            New winger (eg Poku)

                      Creative Midfielder  

                       Knight         Bird

                          
     

[Robbored]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Ah so RR a solid base of Williams, Bird and Knight behind.

Or will we be putting wide players central? It would be intriguing- Yu, Sykes, Bell, Mehmeti?

It’s not us fans who decides who plays where Mr Pop.This season Manning has far more options available to decide on how he wants to play.

Knight, Bird, Memeti are three more that could potentially play as 10.

 

[DaveF]

3 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Nobody plays the way at top level. It’s basically a 4.4.2. This is how we should set up:

 

                          Armstrong

           Yu                            New winger (eg Poku)

                      Creative Midfielder  

                       Knight         Bird

                          
     

Manning said in his press conference that Armstrong can play wide so I wonder if we might see him there at some point.

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

It’s not us fans who decides who plays where Mr Pop.This season Manning has far more options available to decide on how he wants to play.

Knight, Bird, Memeti are three more that could potentially play as 10.

 

Nobody said it was RR We can debate the pros and cons of certain players in certain shaped and gameplans.

All 4 of those are different types of player. Different profiles and that is no bad thing but the Gameplan can change a bit depending on who you have there and how you then build around them.

[Robbored]

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Nobody said it was RR We can debate the pros and cons of certain players in certain shaped and gameplans.

All 4 of those are different types of player. Different profiles and that is no bad thing but the Gameplan can change a bit depending on who you have there and how you then build around them.

Of course. Other Championship clubs forums that I’ve visited all have the same debates as we do.  The fact is that football fans are pretty much all the same regardless of which club they support.

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Of course. Other Championship clubs forums that I’ve visited all have the same debates as we do.  The fact is that football fans are pretty much all the same regardless of which club they support.

Yes agreed with a lot of this.

Intrigued as to your front 6 though RR.

             Wells

   Mayulu Armstrong

Back 4?

[bcfc01]

33 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Manning said in his press conference that Armstrong can play wide so I wonder if we might see him there at some point.

I'm pretty sure we will, not as a winger, more a wide forward ala Semenyo.

[hertsexile]

The other player already in the current city squad that potentially play in the 10 role is Mehmeti. 

[Robbored]

34 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yes agreed with a lot of this.

Intrigued as to your front 6 though RR.

             Wells

   Mayulu Armstrong

Back 4?

Iirc last season Manning played 3 at the back using wing backs in some matches and 4 at the back in others and after 46 matches City had the fourth tightest defence.

What that suggests is that we’ll just have to be patient until the first match on Saturday away at Hull to see how City line up.

[astrondrew]

3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Iirc last season Manning played 3 at the back using wing backs in some matches and 4 at the back in others and after 46 matches City had the fourth tightest defence.

What that suggests is that we’ll just have to be patient until the first match on Saturday away at Hull to see how City line up.

Yep. Manning appears to have a way of playing (in which he wants flexibility and freedom) but also will adjust according to the match needs.

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Iirc last season Manning played 3 at the back using wing backs in some matches and 4 at the back in others and after 46 matches City had the fourth tightest defence.

What that suggests is that we’ll just have to be patient until the first match on Saturday away at Hull to see how City line up.

 

Just now, astrondrew said:

Yep. Manning appears to have a way of playing (in which he wants flexibility and freedom) but also will adjust according to the match needs.

Fine line between flexibility and freedom vs muddle and chopping and changing though.

Sykes at Wingback and to an extent Knight at 10 would be disappointing IMO.

[pongo88]

2 hours ago, italian dave said:

Don’t tell me we’ve spent all summer talking about a number 10; our options for a 10, our preferred 10, tracking interview references to a 10, 10s that other clubs have signed…….and now we’re debating what we mean by a 10..

I’ve never really understood the difference between a false number 9 and a 10. I suppose 9 is multiple of 3 and 9 and 10 is multiple of 2, 5 and 10 but that doesn’t really help much 

[astrondrew]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 

Fine line between flexibility and freedom vs muddle and chopping and changing though.

Sykes at Wingback and to an extent Knight at 10 would be disappointing IMO.

Which is almost certainly why we are trying to recruit.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, astrondrew said:

Which is almost certainly why we are trying to recruit.

Mission creep?

"7, 9, 10".

7 and 9 ticked off, interminable Twine saga hopefully the 10 too.

Obviously you need another striker as we were hoping Conway stays.

How big a squad do you need for that? A big one probably.

[Mr Popodopolous]

E.g. 

*McCrorie- FB and WB 

*Tanner- FB and WB 

*Pring- FB and WB 

*Roberts- FB and WB 

Both Tanner and Roberts can play CB however.

Of our midfielders who else other than Naismith can drop into a back 3 or sit deepest in midfield?

Etc.

Armstrong can go left forward or central, Wells perhaps 10 or striker and Mehmeti can go right or 10 as well as his specialist left..Knight can also play higher or deeper.

[astrondrew]

12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Mission creep?

Looks more like arriving mid season to me.

[slartibartfast]

52 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

I’ve never really understood the difference between a false number 9 and a 10. I suppose 9 is multiple of 3 and 9 and 10 is multiple of 2, 5 and 10 but that doesn’t really help much 

I've never understood anything since the demise of half-backs and inside forwards !

[Mr Popodopolous]

34 minutes ago, astrondrew said:

Looks more like arriving mid season to me.

Eh?

Edited August 8 by Mr Popodopolous

[Corsham Alf]

The Northern Echo is reporting that Conway is due to sign later today in a deal worth up to £5M.

We will see!

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, Corsham Alf said:

The Northern Echo is reporting that Conway is due to sign later today in a deal worth up to £5M.

We will see!

Is this new News by them do we know or just recycling the line in the Mirror?

Have you a link?

Edited August 8 by Mr Popodopolous

[cheddarwedlocker]

It aint progressing - lets please move on

[CTIDhc]

Just been given number 11 at Burnley!! R.I.P I guess

[Lrrr]

Just now, CTIDhc said:

Just been given number 11 at Burnley!! R.I.P I guess

He was already number 11, perhaps they don't just take away the number of players who could be off before the window shuts. 

[hinsleburg]

Every day that passes makes the decision to let him train at the HPC days before he started pre-season at another club absolutely mind boggling.

 

[CTIDhc]

Just now, Lrrr said:

He was already number 11, perhaps they don't just take away the number of players who could be off before the window shuts. 

True but we shifted Cornick away from number 9 so if he was definitely off I would expect to see something similar 

[italian dave]

6 minutes ago, CTIDhc said:

Just been given number 11 at Burnley!! R.I.P I guess

All part of the mind games….

[Corsham Alf]

19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Is this new News by them do we know or just recycling the line in the Mirror?

Have you a link?

My Boro pal messaged me this morning. I’ll press him for more info 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

12 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

He was already number 11, perhaps they don't just take away the number of players who could be off before the window shuts. 

These days most clubs keep squad number changes to a minimum. I wouldn't read anything into being given 11. If they want to sell they will. 

[Leveller]

40 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

I've never understood anything since the demise of half-backs and inside forwards !

Exactly. A number 10 is an inside left innit?

[Ska Junkie]

Just now, Leveller said:

Exactly. A number 10 is an inside left innit?

Was Jimmy Mann an inside left?

[pongo88]

8 minutes ago, Leveller said:

Exactly. A number 10 is an inside left innit?

 

7 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Was Jimmy Mann an inside left?

Shadow Williams was a number 10 and also an inside left. This doesn’t help much unless, like me, you were born in the days when people used quill pens to write on parchment. 

[Corsham Alf]

50 minutes ago, cheddarwedlocker said:

It aint progressing - lets please move on

It is progressing. It’s as good as done and Boro are trying to push it through in time for him to be in the squad for Saturday. 

[SnozRobin]

4 minutes ago, Corsham Alf said:

It is progressing. It’s as good as done and Boro are trying to push it through in time for him to be in the squad for Saturday. 

Wrong thread?

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, CTIDhc said:

Just been given number 11 at Burnley!! R.I.P I guess

Are you suggesting we move on ?

[CTIDhc]

1 minute ago, Major Isewater said:

Are you suggesting we move on ?

I would not dare...

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, CTIDhc said:

Just been given number 11 at Burnley!! 

They have given 38 different players squad numbers..

They clearly aren’t all staying, but not a clue as to whether Twine is.

[astrondrew]

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Eh?

I may have misunderstood what you meant by mission creep 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, astrondrew said:

I may have misunderstood what you meant by mission creep 

Basically a plan of Recruitment that if we are not careful morph into collecting players.

We have done this before and we have to be careful that this doesn't occur again.

3...Then Conway. 4.

Two in fact, 3, becomes 4, becomes 5.

[Mr Popodopolous]

"One player away". Could become a mantra.

We need to be careful with this, albeit I hope lessons have very much been learned.

[W-S-M Seagull]

5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

"One player away". Could become a mantra.

We need to be careful with this, albeit I hope lessons have very much been learned.

Lee Johnson always needed one more player.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

Lee Johnson always needed one more player.

Yeah.

I don't think LM is the new LJ but worth keeping an eye on how many we end up recruiting. I don't understand how Twine became Twine and one other.

[downendcity]

2 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

I've never understood anything since the demise of half-backs and inside forwards !

Catching up on this thread I was thinking much the same slarti.

A couple of good full backs, a solid centre half, wing halves who can take throw ins ( they did at my school) two skillful inside forwards, wingers to stay out wide,  take corners (as they did at my school) get to the byeline and get crosses in to the big, burley centre forward who got you goals.

Number 10 was one of 2 inside forwards and none of this false number 9 malarky!

Simples!

[downendcity]

27 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Basically a plan of Recruitment that if we are not careful morph into collecting players.

We have done this before and we have to be careful that this doesn't occur again.

3...Then Conway. 4.

Two in fact, 3, becomes 4, becomes 5.

Reminds me of the 2 Ronnie's "and now the news" item.

Police investigating the theft of 10 rabbits from Peter's Pet Shop in the High Street report that so far they have recovered 20 of the stolen animals!

[Son of Fred]

24 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yeah.

I don't think LM is the new LJ but worth keeping an eye on how many we end up recruiting. I don't understand how Twine became Twine and one significant other.

 

[slartibartfast]

16 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Catching up on this thread I was thinking much the same slarti.

A couple of good full backs, a solid centre half, wing halves who can take throw ins ( they did at my school) two skillful inside forwards, wingers to stay out wide,  take corners (as they did at my school) get to the byeline and get crosses in to the big, burley centre forward who got you goals.

Number 10 was one of 2 inside forwards and none of this false number 9 malarky!

Simples!

Wingers ALWAYS took the corners !  Our sports master used to shout at full backs if they dared venture over the half way line....." we're not having any of that foreign stuff here !"  (mid 60's)

Edited August 8 by slartibartfast

[Rudolf Hucker]

1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

Wingers ALWAYS took the corners !  Our sports master used to shout at full backs if they dared venture over the half way line....." we're not having any of that foreign stuff here !"  (mid 60's)

I never, ever saw Tony Ford venture across the halfway line. He’d get near to it but then instead thump the ball high  into the opposing penalty area!

[slartibartfast]

1 hour ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

I never, ever saw Tony Ford venture across the halfway line. He’d get near to it but then instead thump the ball high  into the opposing penalty area!

Did you shut your eyes when he took pens, then ? 

[Major Isewater]

2 hours ago, downendcity said:

Reminds me of the 2 Ronnie's "and now the news" item.

Police investigating the theft of 10 rabbits from Peter's Pet Shop in the High Street report that so far they have recovered 20 of the stolen animals!

Other news just in , a burglary has taken place at a toilet manufacturer in Stoke . The Police have nothing to go on. 
 

 

bless the two Ronnies and their writers. 

[Mendip City]

3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Other news just in , a burglary has taken place at a toilet manufacturer in Stoke . The Police have nothing to go on. 
 

 

bless the two Ronnies and their writers. 

Gerald Wylie was a prolific writer….. aka Ronnie Barker. 
 

and it’s good night from me. 

[Rudolf Hucker]

55 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Did you shut your eyes when he took pens, then ? 

Think he had his eyes shut at White Hart Lane!

[Son of Fred]

1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

Other news just in , a burglary has taken place at a toilet manufacturer in Stoke . The Police have nothing to go on. 
 

 

bless the two Ronnies and their writers. 

I believe Barry Cryer wrote for them.....a true great & one of the naturally funniest of people - always a story to tell.

 

[BCFC31]

Surely at this point with the season starting and twine being our number one target and our desperate need for a 10 city just pays the asking price ? Burnley must be scratching there head ! Surely there must be about 1m different in it just pay it ffs it will pay off when we get the value on the pitch.

[FNQ]

7 minutes ago, BCFC31 said:

Surely at this point with the season starting and twine being our number one target and our desperate need for a 10 city just pays the asking price ? Burnley must be scratching there head ! Surely there must be about 1m different in it just pay it ffs it will pay off when we get the value on the pitch.

Burnley scratching their head, Manning scratching his head, Twine scratching his head, us fans scratching our heads… Steve Lansdown scratching his arse.

[Shauntaylor85]

21 minutes ago, BCFC31 said:

Surely at this point with the season starting and twine being our number one target and our desperate need for a 10 city just pays the asking price ? Burnley must be scratching there head ! Surely there must be about 1m different in it just pay it ffs it will pay off when we get the value on the pitch.

We are so bloody tight! It’s unreal. As Nixon keeps saying, pay the money, sign the player. Surely we aren’t talking around double! You watch him score the winner for Burnley and that’s curtains 

Edited August 8 by Shauntaylor85

[Redrascal2]

1 hour ago, BCFC31 said:

Surely at this point with the season starting and twine being our number one target and our desperate need for a 10 city just pays the asking price ? Burnley must be scratching there head ! Surely there must be about 1m different in it just pay it ffs it will pay off when we get the value on the pitch.

You are absolutely right. But unfortunately our owner does not think like that. It is all about saving money now with signings both for the City and the Bears. Remember it City stay in the Championship and he has cut the wage bill then that is success for Lansdown. And that is as far as we will ever go with him.

[downendcity]

10 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

I never, ever saw Tony Ford venture across the halfway line. He’d get near to it but then instead thump the ball high  into the opposing penalty area!

 

8 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Did you shut your eyes when he took pens, then ? 

No, but he did!