Tommy Conway - Signs for 'Boro- Official

[Nugget]

[mozo]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The hope is that it’s personnel that’s the difference-maker this season, or a preseason of drilling LM’s way, or a bit of both 

This is definitely the hope, or expectation even.

Nahki said after Blackburn that the strikers had felt starved. That's a challenge for Manning, but also the players. Let's not forget that when Mehmeti and Sykes got the ball in good positions their decision making wasn't often very good (Manning era). Could be any number of reasons for that but Manning has to solve it, and as an optimist, I expect he will.

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, mozo said:

This is definitely the hope, or expectation even.

Nahki said after Blackburn that the strikers had felt starved. That's a challenge for Manning, but also the players. Let's not forget that when Mehmeti and Sykes got the ball in good positions their decision making wasn't often very good (Manning era). Could be any number of reasons for that but Manning has to solve it, and as an optimist, I expect he will.

Perhaps Manning playing Sykes in his correct position wouldn't hurt.

As he isn't a wingback, he isn't a left sided player and he certainly isn't an LWB which I hope we never see again.

Irrespective better service is needed across the board.

Edited July 24 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, mozo said:

This is definitely the hope, or expectation even.

Nahki said after Blackburn that the strikers had felt starved. That's a challenge for Manning, but also the players. Let's not forget that when Mehmeti and Sykes got the ball in good positions their decision making wasn't often very good (Manning era). Could be any number of reasons for that but Manning has to solve it, and as an optimist, I expect he will.

It is the thing I’m looking forward to most, analyse the changes from last season and what’s behind them.

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, mozo said:

This is definitely the hope, or expectation even.

Nahki said after Blackburn that the strikers had felt starved. That's a challenge for Manning, but also the players. Let's not forget that when Mehmeti and Sykes got the ball in good positions their decision making wasn't often very good (Manning era). Could be any number of reasons for that but Manning has to solve it, and as an optimist, I expect he will.

It would be disappointing tbh if Manning and the staff put in a pre-season on the grass and we aren’t more creative tbh. He’s not even got a high bar to improve on, in fact it’s very low. Bird should make a difference on that score and it’s also clear we will change the way we operate in the final third.

I expect to see better than keep possession for two minutes then pump it aimlessly and/or rely on moments (who does that remind you of?).

[sh1t_ref_again]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Para 1…so why have they waited until now as his market value diminishes?

 - Guessing they were still hopeful of finding an agreement until the negotiations totally broke down, or has been touted for a while but the situation arose as he returned from his break

Para 2…and what if he decides to do just that, sits tight.  The club keep telling us there’s no interest.  So how are they “gonna sell him as quickly as possible”?

 - Putting TC in the U21s sends a signal to TC / agent that they need to find a club and he cant just sit around in the last year of his contract and run down the clock, a young ambitious player should be desperate for the move and maybe ends up considering a move that maybe he would not otherwise, as the potential to rot in the reserves would be a disaster for his short term career and earnings

Para 3…maybe the club have to do the re-thinking then as per your second part of your para?

 - think its a bit of a game of bluff at the moment, the club are giving TC the message as per above, but if he does not go cant see them not bringing him back into the group, even if its to warm the bench initially

Para 4…there becomes a point (I think we are already there but that’s just me) where his value moves towards the low value of next summer, whether that be the worst case Scotland / Europe or less worst case this country.

 - his value will be determined by how much interest their is from other clubs and how much competition for him, 1 year left on his contract is always a fire sale as we get 2/5th of sweet FA in a years time. But he still has more value than next year or at Christmas, comes down to how good the football world think he actually is

Para 5…couldn’t agree more.

 

[Davefevs]

8 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

 

Yes, very much two sides to this isn’t there!

[Kid in the Riot]

23 minutes ago, mozo said:

This is definitely the hope, or expectation even.

Nahki said after Blackburn that the strikers had felt starved. That's a challenge for Manning, but also the players. Let's not forget that when Mehmeti and Sykes got the ball in good positions their decision making wasn't often very good (Manning era). Could be any number of reasons for that but Manning has to solve it, and as an optimist, I expect he will.

At the Q&A Manning did say his priority when he came in was make us solid at the back, and that this summers training would be geared to improving in the attacking third of the pitch. 

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

At the Q&A Manning did say his priority when he came in was make us solid at the back, and that this summers training would be geared to improving in the attacking third of the pitch. 

We were already solid at the back!
 

I hope he gets it to work.  I just don’t buy everything he says, there’s a bit of spin to it.

Edited July 24 by Davefevs

[Kid in the Riot]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We were already solid at the back!

Were we? Can't remember to be honest. Even so, most managers that are successful seem to come in and make teams solid first, and then work on the attacking side of the game. 

Attacking wise I don't think Nige or Manning had much to work with last season tbh

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We were already solid at the back!

We had a great base across the pitch, especially from the back and I'd add Knight, James/Williams to that structure too.

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Were we? Can't remember to be honest. Even so, most managers that are successful seem to come in and make teams solid first, and then work on the attacking side of the game. 

Attacking wise I don't think Nige or Manning had much to work with last season tbh

Yes we were.

[Mr Popodopolous]

At best we have possibly held the line under Manning and that includes at the back.

Underlying numbers may or may not bear this out.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Purely dealing in facts here and not XG.

When Manning took the helm, we had the 4th best defence in the League.

Only Leicester, Leeds and WBA had conceded fewer goals..absolute cast iron fact.

Edited July 24 by Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Purely dealing in facts here and not XG.

When Manning took the helm, we had the 4th best defence in the League.

Only Leicester, Leeds and WBA had conceded fewer goals..absolute cast iron fact.

“4th best goals conceded” Liam Manning.  Doesn’t necessarily mean 4th best defence, but I think under both managers we were pretty decent.  No need to split hairs on the lower level stuff.  Both good.

[JoeAman08]

50 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Some failing on Manning’s part too???

He told us after his first game (at QPR) he would create the types of chances for Tommy and get him involved in build-up.  Yet, the style of play basically went in a big “U” shape from our CBs and  then ended 25-yards for the goal-line on the flanks, and couldn’t penetrate infield.  Not many strikers are gonna score in that set up - which was bottom 6 offensively last season.

The hope is that it’s personnel that’s the difference-maker this season, or a preseason of drilling LM’s way, or a bit of both.

We bemoan Tommy’s penalties (5/5), but to be consistent where would LM be without those 7 pens in 31 games (and Nahki’s 2/2).

I’m by no means saying Manning has been perfect but we knew coming in that personnel would likely need some work with his history. The CMs didn’t seem his type and neither did the forward players apart from Anis. 
 

Also, I thought TC got better chances under Manning. Just an eyes thing though. Also the 7 penalties a sign that Manning has influence imo. 
 

As far as style, yes it could be boring. Also, could have been instruction with who we had out there though. No pace to get to the byline for low crosses fizzed across area. Also no striker taller than about 5’10 to target for deeper crosses. Not much vision centrally either. I think it was a talent issue more than anything. 
 

Now the worry is that creativity is still not here. We could cross from deeper but that’ll get old quick. We would be asking a lot of Yu and SA. We’ll see how it goes. Takes a bit of luck with the signings but 1 or 2 of those needs to be special if we have any hope of sneaking a playoff berth. Twine an upgrade but not really a maverick either. I think with or without Twine, the recruitment been pretty good. The type we should look at. We can really moan if they all flop but until then I am optimistic we are better than last season even without TC 

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

“4th best goals conceded” Liam Manning.  Doesn’t necessarily mean 4th best defence, but I think under both managers we were pretty decent.  No need to split hairs on the lower level stuff.  Both good.

I agree yeah, totally.

Underlying vs basic numbers can differ but both have done fine with it.

[Silvio Dante]

45 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

“4th best goals conceded” Liam Manning.  Doesn’t necessarily mean 4th best defence, but I think under both managers we were pretty decent.  No need to split hairs on the lower level stuff.  Both good.

That was probably inherently the frustration to begin with with Liam. I remember that post QPR interview when he spoke about working on the defence and we’d just been treated to an absolutely turgid 90. The defence required limited work and by going very negative he exaggerated our problems, which under both managers have been scoring goals. It’s no coincidence that the change in style post Easter led to better results.

I get why coaches do it coming into clubs - particularly as you typically take over a struggling club who need that work - but it showed a lack of understanding of the problem he was brought in to solve as it wasn’t that circumstance here.

[BobBobBobbin]

7 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

That was probably inherently the frustration to begin with with Liam. I remember that post QPR interview when he spoke about working on the defence and we’d just been treated to an absolutely turgid 90. The defence required limited work and by going very negative he exaggerated our problems, which under both managers have been scoring goals. It’s no coincidence that the change in style post Easter led to better results.

I get why coaches do it coming into clubs - particularly as you typically take over a struggling club who need that work - but it showed a lack of understanding of the problem he was brought in to solve as it wasn’t that circumstance here.

I think rather than it being Manning misunderstanding the problem it was the club not actually appointing the "fast paced, progressive coach" they claimed they had. Manning well within his rights to implement his mid-block trigger press, that's his out of possession philosophy. (Nige had us more in the gegenpress/counterpress). I don't necessarily think that his OoP style has changed all that much; We played teams who didn't make the mid-block trigger press completely obsolete and to his credit, the players got better/quicker at recognising the triggers and our secondary press is getting better by the week. 

issue remains that you can't play a mid-block trigger press against a low block successfully. There aren't any triggers and you end up far too deep in the block. We will see what it looks like when we come up against a well coached low block next season. 

[mozo]

This exile situation is a negotiation power play. 

They've obvs felt vulnerable and decided to take back some control by removing one of the three options available to Tommy.

I would imagine they have done so knowing that they are setting a precedent for future negotiations. 

Regards whose fault it is, I don't believe that anyone on this forum has enough insight to know if the agent or board are most culpable.

Regards whether we've shot ourselves in the foot, I'm agnostic until we see how it pans out.

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, mozo said:

Regards whose fault it is, I don't believe that anyone on this forum has enough insight to know if the agent or board are most culpable.

Why do we always blame his Agent, why not Tommy himself.

[Silvio Dante]

17 minutes ago, BobBobBobbin said:

I think rather than it being Manning misunderstanding the problem it was the club not actually appointing the "fast paced, progressive coach" they claimed they had. Manning well within his rights to implement his mid-block trigger press, that's his out of possession philosophy. (Nige had us more in the gegenpress/counterpress). I don't necessarily think that his OoP style has changed all that much; We played teams who didn't make the mid-block trigger press completely obsolete and to his credit, the players got better/quicker at recognising the triggers and our secondary press is getting better by the week. 

issue remains that you can't play a mid-block trigger press against a low block successfully. There aren't any triggers and you end up far too deep in the block. We will see what it looks like when we come up against a well coached low block next season. 

Agree - I don’t think they got what they thought they were getting. I’ve said a few times that due diligence works both ways but the bigger fault undoubtedly lies with the appointers as opposed to the appointees!

Regardless of that, we are where we are. We’ve been through Manningball V1 (dire) and Manningball V2 (more aggressive, better results).

This season, with time on the grass in the summer and backing (although as I’ve said the signings aren’t finished articles he has been backed and they should be in the arc of his type of players on paper - young, with growth), then we should theoretically see Manningball V3 which will be how he wants to play and hopefully the best version of himself. And that has to work as if it doesn’t, we won’t see V4!

BTW, just to say do really enjoy reading your posts. Always decent, measured and thought provoking

[Mr Popodopolous]

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

Agree - I don’t think they got what they thought they were getting. I’ve said a few times that due diligence works both ways but the bigger fault undoubtedly lies with the appointers as opposed to the appointees!

Regardless of that, we are where we are. We’ve been through Manningball V1 (dire) and Manningball V2 (more aggressive, better results).

This season, with time on the grass in the summer and backing (although as I’ve said the signings aren’t finished articles he has been backed and they should be in the arc of his type of players on paper - young, with growth), then we should theoretically see Manningball V3 which will be how he wants to play and hopefully the best version of himself. And that has to work as if it doesn’t, we won’t see V4!

BTW, just to say do really enjoy reading your posts. Always decent, measured and thought provoking

He loves his OOP / press stuff.

On Mastermind it would be his specialist subject!

[Davefevs]

I read that as Soccer Hooters!

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

3 hours meeting kids and signing autographs.

What a bastard.

[Lrrr]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well he had to do something to fill the time of not being involved in the friendlies  But genuinely great to see any City player involved that much, not the first time you've heard of Conway doing it either. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

3 hours meeting kids and signing autographs.

What a bastard.

 

Just now, Lrrr said:

Well he had to do something to fill the time of not being involved in the friendlies  But genuinely great to see any City player involved that much, not the first time you've heard of Conway doing it either. 

He has always struck me as pretty grounded Conway, Player Union Rep- real real shame how it has played out and while neither side is blameless, I think I know which side I blame more.

[Son of Fred]

5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I think I know which side I blame more.

 

[mozo]

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Why do we always blame his Agent, why not Tommy himself.

Football agents are the only people I trust less than estate agents 

[bcfc01]

What about Twine - any updates ?

Just asking..

[SDBS36]

21 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

What about Twine - any updates ?

Just asking..

Only asking for a friend 

[bcfc01]

Birmingham rumour that they've met Burnleys price.

Can't see him going to L1 though ?

[Robbored]

5 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

This is the bit that bothers me. OK I get it that Manning doesn't want to waste his time on a player that might not be here shortly. I get all that. But there is a distinct possibility that Conway does remain here for the season. 

In that scenario I think you do need to just make use of him whilst he is still our player. So banishing him to the 21s and not giving him any pre season minutes (so far) isn't the correct way to do things if he does end up staying here. 

Not going to happen Seagull. TC has made it clear that he doesn’t want to stay at City so he can move on. No manager would entertain any player who turns down a very decent deal and would quite rightly not include him in his plans. Hence TC is off the radar languishing in the u21 - it’s managerial common sense.

[Bcfcturtle]

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Been a long time reader but my first ever post, these 2 little sods are my grandsons, this is the 2nd time they’ve been to meet Tommy, he gets a lot of stick on here but he is absolutely amazing with all the kids ( they love him to bits ) also a special shout to Del @ soccer shooters for making this happen.  Sometimes this side of professional footballers go  unnoticed.As a side note the other side of their  family are all Blue but thanks to little things like this we’ve won they are now CITY

[BobBobBobbin]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

Agree - I don’t think they got what they thought they were getting. I’ve said a few times that due diligence works both ways but the bigger fault undoubtedly lies with the appointers as opposed to the appointees!

Regardless of that, we are where we are. We’ve been through Manningball V1 (dire) and Manningball V2 (more aggressive, better results).

This season, with time on the grass in the summer and backing (although as I’ve said the signings aren’t finished articles he has been backed and they should be in the arc of his type of players on paper - young, with growth), then we should theoretically see Manningball V3 which will be how he wants to play and hopefully the best version of himself. And that has to work as if it doesn’t, we won’t see V4!

BTW, just to say do really enjoy reading your posts. Always decent, measured and thought provoking

Kind of you to say, Silvio. Right back at you  

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

He loves his OOP / press stuff.

On Mastermind it would be his specialist subject!

I dunno about that! but it's about the only thing I find interesting in the OOP phase! 

[Ivorguy]

I am so fed up with this thread.

Just go, Conway.  You are now a major distraction for the club

Just let him go at first reasonable offer, City.  We clearly have no intention of spending big with monies received

[Silvio Dante]

5 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

I am so fed up with this thread.

Just go, Conway.  You are now a major distraction for the club

Just let him go at first reasonable offer, City.  We clearly have no intention of spending big with monies received

1. You don’t have to read the thread (or the Twine one for that matter which veers into Conway)

2. Not sure he is if it’s managed correctly. If he’s a major distraction it’s because the club aren’t sure they’re doing the right thing - if they just want rid, and he’s expelled from the first team, he’s no distraction at all.

3. Agree. And you may find this decision is spurred by the fact that we’re annoyed that the monies recieved aren’t as much as we thought they would be!

[ballwinningcentrehalf]

Todd Cantwell has asked to leave Rangers. Although obviously playing in a different position to our own TC, I think if they manage to move him on fairly quickly it might give them some impetus (and money) to go for some attacking signings.

Still wouldn't be surprised at all to see Conway end up there.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Hindsight is everything but why in 2022 didn't we offer (unless we did) Conway e.g. a 3 year deal with 1 year option in clubs favour?

Perhaps with some kind of cash sweetener or bonus kicking in if the optional year activated Idk. Instead it seems to have been a straight 3 year deal.

[richwwtk]

Surely the only reason Tommy would be removed from the 1st team environment is if he/his agent/the club are in negotiations with another club and he is expected to leave soon? If it was still just a case of no firm offers then it would make no sense.

[Malago]

Wrong thread.

Edited July 25 by Malago

[REDOXO]

Tommy Conway is a good kid. I’m not sure why I’m even writing this as it’s pretty obvious! 

[Robbored]

7 hours ago, richwwtk said:

Surely the only reason Tommy would be removed from the 1st team environment is if he/his agent/the club are in negotiations with another club and he is expected to leave soon? If it was still just a case of no firm offers then it would make no sense.

Not very like rich - by turning down a very decent  deal he’s obviously not committed  to City and no proper manager would be willing to include him in his plans - hence TC training with the u21s. His stance has taken him out of the Championship shop window and offers for his services will be less.

The decision not to resign at City could well backfire on him

[hertsexile]

46 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Not very like rich - by turning down a very decent  deal he’s obviously not committed  to City and no proper manager would be willing to include him in his plans - hence TC training with the u21s. His stance has taken him out of the Championship shop window and offers for his services will be less.

The decision not to resign at City could well backfire on him

I totally agree

We may never know what his agent and advisers are thinking about Tommy’s next career step. There just seems to be no logical in this stalemate. 
The whole of Tommy’s team just need to grow up and realise that he is not yet the finished product hence no interest!

Tommy heading into exile at city to see out his contract is no good to all involved

Edited July 25 by hertsexile
Left out a word

[richwwtk]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Not very like rich - by turning down a very decent  deal he’s obviously not committed  to City and no proper manager would be willing to include him in his plans - hence TC training with the u21s. His stance has taken him out of the Championship shop window and offers for his services will be less.

The decision not to resign at City could well backfire on him

He is contracted to City for a further year and, if required, should be professional enough to do his best for us. Any manager worth his salt would not cut off completely any possible resource so my view is there is interest from at least one club and a move is imminent.

The only other option is TC is being a complete dick and affecting the rest of the squad with it, but I don't see him as that type of person at all.

[Antman]

It's funny how we (understandably i guess) demonise players like TC for doing little more than attempting to  further their careers.

The relationship between fans and club is on a much more viscereal level and few players engage with the same levels of passion i would argue (despite the scarf bearing declarations when signing )

Right now, i'm kind of ignoring the TC hullabaloo as we seem to have forgotten how good Sam Bell was when he was on song last season - we still have him!

(Its like a primary school class - 30 kids and maybe 3 cause problems, so they get the attention. the other 27 deserve praise and support IMO)

 

Same logic also applies to older ex-players like Famara, (and even Kodjia )who having popped onto our radar with Cardiff  briefly attracted all sorts of retrospective nonsense on 'how shite he was'

it always bemuses me that we abandon all memories of the good stuff for a lot of old players (not all - Bob Taylor/Robbie T are held in high esteem for ever) even Maynard's legacy is somehow framed by the stupid comments he made about his kid.

anyhoo - just a thought.

 

carry on

 

[Davefevs]

42 minutes ago, hertsexile said:

I totally agree

We may never know what his agent and advisers are thinking about Tommy’s next career step. There just seems to be no logical in this stalemate. 
The whole of Tommy’s team just need to grow up and realise that he is not yet the finished product hence no interest!

Tommy heading into exile at city to see out his contract is no good to all involved

Of course there’s interest in him.  I know of two clubs, both higher profile clubs than us, that are interested in him.  One of those two clubs was quoted a stupid fee considering the current situation.  Their next step, I don’t know, nor do I know City’s.

5 more weeks to find out how serious LM’s comments were about “need to sell him quickly”.

[Davefevs]

9 minutes ago, Antman said:

It's funny how we (understandably i guess) demonise players like TC for doing little more than attempting to  further their careers.

The relationship between fans and club is on a much more viscereal level and few players engage with the same levels of passion i would argue (despite the scarf bearing declarations when signing )

Right now, i'm kind of ignoring the TC hullabaloo as we seem to have forgotten how good Sam Bell was when he was on song last season - we still have him!

(Its like a primary school class - 30 kids and maybe 3 cause problems, so they get the attention. the other 27 deserve praise and support IMO)

 

Same logic also applies to older ex-players like Famara, (and even Kodjia )who having popped onto our radar with Cardiff  briefly attracted all sorts of retrospective nonsense on 'how shite he was'

it always bemuses me that we abandon all memories of the good stuff for a lot of old players (not all - Bob Taylor/Robbie T are held in high esteem for ever) even Maynard's legacy is somehow framed by the stupid comments he made about his kid.

anyhoo - just a thought.

 

carry on

 

Those players, Famara especially took the piss and didn’t do the hard yards on the pitch.  Kodjia refused to play in a cup game (iirc) pending a move.

Tommy hasn’t done either.  He’s an under-contract player, so until he stops putting in a shift, he gets my support.

[Ska Junkie]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Those players, Famara especially took the piss and didn’t do the hard yards on the pitch.  Kodjia refused to play in a cup game (iirc) pending a move.

Scunny away IIRC Fevs. 

[Antman]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Those players, Famara especially took the piss and didn’t do the hard yards on the pitch.  Kodjia refused to play in a cup game (iirc) pending a move.

Tommy hasn’t done either.  He’s an under-contract player, so until he stops putting in a shift, he gets my support.

i suppose my point was that those incidents were a clear minority, but colour the overall majority memory of a player.

i agree 100% regards TC,  The club seem to have fumbled this one IMO

[2015]

14 minutes ago, Antman said:

i suppose my point was that those incidents were a clear minority, but colour the overall majority memory of a player.

i agree 100% regards TC,  The club seem to have fumbled this one IMO

Maybe the club have learned from the lessons of the past and decided to remove him from the first team if he sees his future elsewhere. 

[lenred]

6 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Maybe the club have learned from the lessons of the past and decided to remove him from the first team if he sees his future elsewhere. 

Unless he has done something drastically wrong or has demanded not to play - neither of which seem the case from what is coming out of the club - then this is a simple case of the hierarchy of the club cutting off their noses. No ‘learnings’ here at all that I can see.   Just misguided (at best) ‘leadership’. 

[ooRya]

I really don't see the issue in leaving Tommy out of first team training/planning, as the club obviously don't expect him to still be here at the end of the window.

If he is still here, I'm sure we'll see him drafted back in.....why would they not?

[2015]

6 minutes ago, ooRya said:

I really don't see the issue in leaving Tommy out of first team training/planning, as the club obviously don't expect him to still be here at the end of the window.

If he is still here, I'm sure we'll see him drafted back in.....why would they not?

It's just anything to have a go at the club hierarchy about really, and also our fanbase seem to see all our academy products as the next best thing

[mozo]

1 hour ago, hertsexile said:

Tommy heading into exile at city to see out his contract is no good to all involved

Did Manning send you into exile too?

[Davefevs]

Just now, 2015 said:

It's just anything to have a go at the club hierarchy about really, and also our fanbase seem to see all our academy products as the next best thing

It really isn’t.  It’s quite possible to see this as a bad decision (by who ever made it) because it’s a bad decision.  They make enough to give us opportunities to criticise them.

If as @ooRya says they have to draft him back in, what does that say.

(personally I think they’ll continue to banish him, if they don’t sell this window, I think they won’t want to go back on their decision)

[ooRya]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

If as @ooRya says they have to draft him back in, what does that say.

 

It would say " He hasn't been sold, so we'll use him as he's still our player"

I don't get why people are seeing this as Tommy being punished for not committing to Bristol City? Why would the club train/plan with Tommy in the team if they fully expect him not to be here.....it wouldn't make sense.

[lenred]

14 minutes ago, 2015 said:

It's just anything to have a go at the club hierarchy about really, and also our fanbase seem to see all our academy products as the next best thing

No. It really isn’t that at all with most level headed people on here.  I’d absolutely LOVE not to have anything to have a go at the hierarchy about……..and I also cannot see anyone saying Tommy is the ‘next best thing’.  It’s about the custodians of our club acting like adults and doing what is best for us. Not acting like men children because they don’t get their own way…….  

Edited July 25 by lenred
Spelling

[Silvio Dante]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Not very like rich - by turning down a very decent  deal he’s obviously not committed  to City and no proper manager would be willing to include him in his plans - hence TC training with the u21s. His stance has taken him out of the Championship shop window and offers for his services will be less.

The decision not to resign at City could well backfire on him

Do you not see how the statement in bold equally therefore applies to the club, and is inherently what most of us who have stated we don’t agree with the decision have a problem with?

If Conways stance has taken him out of the shop window and offers for his services will be less, then logically, the club will also not have him in the shop window and offers for his services will be less. Less offers = less competition = less money for the club.

You’ve just inadvertently proven why this is a bad decision by the club in a post backing it!

[M.D]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It really isn’t.  It’s quite possible to see this as a bad decision (by who ever made it) because it’s a bad decision.  They make enough to give us opportunities to criticise them.

If as @ooRya says they have to draft him back in, what does that say.

(personally I think they’ll continue to banish him, if they don’t sell this window, I think they won’t want to go back on their decision)

I do think this maybe not down to Manning but from somewhere near the top..

[Davefevs]

9 minutes ago, ooRya said:

It would say " He hasn't been sold, so we'll use him as he's still our player"

I don't get why people are seeing this as Tommy being punished for not committing to Bristol City? Why would the club train/plan with Tommy in the team if they fully expect him not to be here.....it wouldn't make sense.

See Silvio’s reply below.  I’m not seeing it as punishment per se, just an unnecessarily petty decision.

2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Do you not see how the statement in bold equally therefore applies to the club, and is inherently what most of us who have stated we don’t agree with the decision have a problem with?

If Conways stance has taken him out of the shop window and offers for his services will be less, then logically, the club will also not have him in the shop window and offers for his services will be less. Less offers = less competition = less money for the club.

You’ve just inadvertently proven why this is a bad decision by the club in a post backing it!

This.

1 minute ago, M.D said:

I do think this maybe not down to Manning but from somewhere near the top..

Even if it was, he’s executing it.  Great that he owns it, but if he disagreed he should have put his foot down.  The fact he hasn’t and either made it himself or gone along with it, makes him just as accountable…in some respects more accountable, it’s his neck on the line re results.

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, richwwtk said:

He is contracted to City for a further year and, if required, should be professional enough to do his best for us. Any manager worth his salt would not cut off completely any possible resource so my view is there is interest from at least one y

The only other option is TC is being a complete dick and affecting the rest of the squad with it, but I don't see him as that type of person at all.

TC won’t get the opportunity rich - he’s no longer part of the first team squad, his lack of commitment to club ( that developed him from a schoolboy) speaks volumes.

if there was any interest in him then surely we’d of heard about it from one or any number of various platforms on the net but thus far - nothing.

One factor that would have inflated his opinion of his own ability is he’s in the Scotland squad but we all know that’s equivalent to having a Wales cap………it means bugger all in the wider football industry. Desperate Dan was born in Dundee and I’m surprised that he hasn’t won a cap yet………...

Another factor is that his best mate Scott is earning mega bucks along with former teammate Semenyo in the PL. In reality TC is nowhere near as gifted as either of those two and best he could do is join one of the Glasgow clubs on a free in a years time.

Edited July 25 by Robbored

[Robbored]

10 minutes ago, M.D said:

I do think this maybe not down to Manning but from somewhere near the top..

Nah - this is due to Manning who’s adopted the Sam attitude as numerous other managers would.

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

if there was any interest in him then surely we’d of heard about it from one or any number of various platforms on the net but thus far - nothing.

 

Stop me if I’m wrong, but aren’t those sites just unreliable speculation and therefore should be disregarded - so even if there was interest stated on one of said platforms, then it wouldn’t be necessarily the truth. 
 

So, again working logically (and using your own logic), the sites not being reliable and having not stated interest means there must be interest in Tommy.

Youve not really thought any posts on this thread through have you…

 

[Supersonic Robin]

39 minutes ago, ooRya said:

I really don't see the issue in leaving Tommy out of first team training/planning, as the club obviously don't expect him to still be here at the end of the window.

If he is still here, I'm sure we'll see him drafted back in.....why would they not?

IMO it doesn't need to be discussed at this moment in time.

As much as I rate Tommy as a player, I'd be both surprised and disappointed if we fail to sell him this window (assuming he doesn't sign a new contract).

We've essentially removed him from pre-season training, massively damaged our relationship with him, and spent millions of pounds recruiting other forwards on the basis that we expect him to leave.

If Conway is still here at the end of the transfer window then we have massively ****ed up. 

[KegCity]

Transfer fee aside I still don't see why we'd want a player who is no longer interested in playing for us in and around the first team.

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Transfer fee aside I still don't see why we'd want a player who is no longer interested in playing for us in and around the first team.

Where has anyone said he’s not interested in playing for us.  He just doesn’t want to extend his contract beyond next summer.  Ok, you can say that must mean he doesn’t want to play for us, but it doesn’t make it true per se.

[KegCity]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Where has anyone said he’s not interested in playing for us.  He just doesn’t want to extend his contract beyond next summer.  Ok, you can say that must mean he doesn’t want to play for us, but it doesn’t make it true per se.

He wants to leave. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. 

"Then he gave the indication he wants to move on, he doesn't want to re-sign and stay."

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, KegCity said:

He wants to leave. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. 

"Then he gave the indication he wants to move on, he doesn't want to re-sign and stay."

He can still be interested in playing too.  And it’s one side of the story.