Bcfc24 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Crackers Corner said: I read that as a question. Ahh okay well the answer is no then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Bcfc24 said: Where have you seen that? Strangely it popped up on my phone as an alert from the BBC Sports App. Then when I tried to find the article I couldn't - even tried on the website but couldn't. Odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 3 minutes ago, maxjak said: No sour grapes on my behalf..........I always believe that if players wish to go, then let them go, if a player is not fully commited then they can leave...... IMHO? I do think that TC has had his head turned by his best mates AS's departure? The grass isn't always greener? And Middlesborough is either gonna be a stepping stone, or a mis-step ? But I hope he does well, because if he succeeds we will get more add on financial bonuses? Not saying you but a lot of fans who say he is crap, he is no good anyway. There is an element of sour grapes among some of our fans about it IMO. I get the disappointment too but in a way it is football. If he does well we could make some more money. It is a challenge for him, not least 16 goal Latte Lath. Otoh the high level competition may see him go up a notch or maybe he plays behind Latte Lath or in the 3 behind. Edited July 31 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, cheese said: Fee agreed with Middlesborough? Well let’s hope so because we now have reached 90 pages with nothing happening Mainly full of pro TC saying he’s great lad and done nothing wrong to these terrible scheming sods that run the club OR Anti TC saying he’s a scheming greedy sod with a git of an agent and has an Alex Scott wannabe complex Only on OTIB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, cheese said: X million.....wow that's TEN ! 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, Cov 77 said: Well let’s hope so because we now have reached 90 pages with nothing happening Mainly full of pro TC saying he’s great lad and done nothing wrong to these terrible scheming sods that run the club OR Anti TC saying he’s a scheming greedy sod with a git of an agent and has an Alex Scott wannabe complex Only on OTIB I know which camp I'm in ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, slartibartfast said: X million.....wow that's TEN ! Yep, £2m now, £8m more when 'Boro win the champions league. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Yep, £2m now, £8m more when 'Boro win the champions league. Don’t give Brian ideas, he’ll have that in the contract 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfc24 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, cheese said: Seeing as it was a day ago I think someone at the BBC has seen the Bristol Live report got the wrong end of the stick and jumped the gun a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 49 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: You realise he is still developing yeah? Soon to turn 22, strikers don't tend to peak in many cases until their mid 20s onwards. Maynard didn't really get going with us until he turned 23 e.g. Semenyo showed flashes and an injury didn't help but turning 21 was a bit of a turning point for him although raw potential was always there. Semenyo was/is an absolute beast physically mr p with rapid pace. Conway has nothing like those physical attributes. Huge difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 35 minutes ago, milo1111 said: Semenyo was/is an absolute beast physically mr p with rapid pace. Conway has nothing like those physical attributes. Huge difference. He doesn’t. However Conway is twice the finisher Semenyo was. You only have to go back to the Semenyo is not a striker they score goals thread. They are not the same type of forward, but can be equally effective in the right set up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 46 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: I know which camp I'm in ! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, milo1111 said: Semenyo was/is an absolute beast physically mr p with rapid pace. Conway has nothing like those physical attributes. Huge difference. Tommy is however a bit of a volume/intensity monster, ranks fairly highly across things like high speed running and sprint distance covered in a game 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, Bcfc24 said: Seeing as it was a day ago I think someone at the BBC has seen the Bristol Live report got the wrong end of the stick and jumped the gun a bit I tend to agree but was puzzled as it popped up on my phone this afternoon. Anyway, could mean anything and nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 They are trying to do a deal with Burnley hence the delay. Separate deals but still far off valuations for both players but negotiations are ongoing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 They want £3.5M for Twine and are offering £1.5M plus add ons for Conway at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Both players keen so can see this one being sorted eventually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, bristol red said: They want £3.5M for Twine and are offering £1.5M plus add ons for Conway at the moment. Just to be clear you are saying Burnley value Twine more than Conway, to the tune of £2m difference? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Before I get shot down I cannot reveal my source as that would be unfair but was told this within last hour and same as one that told me about Conway to Middlesbrough. Burnley have come back in as Twine wants the move. Is it reliable.. I have no idea but have no reason to doubt it. I guess we will find out soon. 9 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, bristol red said: Before I get shot down I cannot reveal my source as that would be unfair but was told this within last hour and same as one that told me about Conway to Middlesbrough. Burnley have come back in as Twine wants the move. Is it reliable.. I have no idea but have no reason to doubt it. I guess we will find out soon. Thanks for sharing mate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 18 minutes ago, bristol red said: They want £3.5M for Twine and are offering £1.5M plus add ons for Conway at the moment. If true, that’s how you do a good negotiation 101. Theyve dangled a proper carrot in front of Tinns, as they know he’s spent the last 8 months pining for Twine. Fair play. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: If true, that’s how you do a good negotiation 101. Theyve dangled a proper carrot in front of Tinns, as they know he’s spent the last 8 months pining for Twine. Fair play. It would also mean that Ian ITK Gay is wrong and that the deals are dependent on each other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, petehinton said: If true, that’s how you do a good negotiation 101. Theyve dangled a proper carrot in front of Tinns, as they know he’s spent the last 8 months pining for Twine. Fair play. What do you think is par Pete? I'd say straight swap, but would you say we should get a bit more in a deal like that to factor potential? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: It would also mean that Ian ITK Gay is wrong and that the deals are dependent on each other. He always says it can change with one phone call!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Shauntaylor85 said: He always says it can change with one phone call!! He always covers every possible option. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, mozo said: What do you think is par Pete? I'd say straight swap, but would you say we should get a bit more in a deal like that to factor potential? Depends what the club see the value as. In January, not a chance in hell would anyone have even considered a straight no fee swap, but such is the situation that’s been created I wouldn’t totally bet against it if the money will be spent on twine anyway. I’d still not pay anything over £2.5m for twine, but the clear no plan B, desperation from manning & desperation from Tinns to want to back him my hunch is that we overpay just to get it done. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Surely there are more teams besides Burnley and Boro willing to take a punt on Conway?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 5 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: It would also mean that Ian ITK Gay is wrong and that the deals are dependent on each other. I think they’re absolutely dependent on each other, in as much as Conway money means we can afford to splash on Twine. I don’t think there’s a chance in hell they do Twine + money for Conway, in a player exchange ‘dependent’ way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 18 minutes ago, petehinton said: If true, that’s how you do a good negotiation 101. Theyve dangled a proper carrot in front of Tinns, as they know he’s spent the last 8 months pining for Twine. Fair play. Sorry, but where / how are we coming to the conclusion that Tins makes these decision's ? Edited July 31 by BigTone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 £1.5m plus add-ons is a bit of an insult for Conway really. £3.5m for Twine is about par as to what I may expect Burnley would want. I always thought £3.5-4m might be their ultimate asking price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 22 minutes ago, petehinton said: If true, that’s how you do a good negotiation 101. Theyve dangled a proper carrot in front of Tinns, as they know he’s spent the last 8 months pining for Twine. Fair play. Sounds like we give them £3.5m and a player now. They give us £1.5m and maybe but probably not another £2m and a player. It's Phil Wang on Taskmaster haggling in the Souk all over again. Edited July 31 by ExiledAjax 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BigTone said: Sorry, but where / how are we coming to the conclusion that Tins makes these decision's ? He’s the Technical Director…he’ll obviously get budget support from Tom Rawcliffe, and then present to the Board - which is now 3-strong (inc Tom). Edited July 31 by Davefevs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, BigTone said: Sorry, but where / how are we coming to the conclusion that Tins makes these decision's ? He heads up the entire football operation, so he’ll be leading all the decision making & largely all the transfer ins and outs 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 1 minute ago, petehinton said: He heads up the entire football operation, so he’ll be leading all the decision making & largely all the transfer ins and outs There must be some governance in place which Davefevs alludes to. 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: He’s the Technical Director…he’ll obviously get budget support from Tom Rawcliffe, and then present to the Board - which is now 3-strong! So not his decision entirely Edited July 31 by BigTone 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, BigTone said: There must be some governance in place So not his decision entirely No, definitely not…he’s a propositioner really, but he decides who we go after / who we sell off the back of recruitment meetings. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 If it goes ahead, it gets Tommy nearer the Scotish border, as that is where he turley wants to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: No, definitely not…he’s a propositioner really, but he decides who we go after / who we sell off the back of recruitment meetings. Ok, so not the No 1 decision maker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 18 minutes ago, mozo said: Surely there are more teams besides Burnley and Boro willing to take a punt on Conway?!! Perhaps teams are starting to catch on that city have ditched their stupid value 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Conway + £1M for ST? Would that be acceptable to us, the masses? I know Nada, just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, Lrrr said: Perhaps teams are starting to catch on that city have ditched their stupid value He will go elsewhere I am sure. Someone is waiting in the wings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Sounds like we give them £3.5m and a player now. They give us £1.5m and maybe but probably not another £2m and a player. It's Phil Wang on Taskmaster haggling in the Souk all over again. Perhaps it’s a bit of ‘you’ve made offers you know we won’t accept for 2 months (plus January) so have some of your own medicine’ 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, BigTone said: Ok, so not the No 1 decision maker Correct, although I never said he was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, BigTone said: Sorry, but where / how are we coming to the conclusion that Tins makes these decision's ? Because he's head of football operations or whatever his Tecknikal title is theses days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Correct, although I never said he was. ok, but others have that opinion which I think is misdirected 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Perhaps teams are starting to catch on that city have ditched their stupid value Reality bites. Would be interested (as per @BigTone’s post) how this will be received up the line, because I very much suspect the wonderful Lansdown Family have been given the impression that we’d sell him for a lot more (than even Boro are offering). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Sir Geoff said: Because he's head of football operations or whatever his Tecknikal title is theses days. Ok, but there is surely a governance in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, Lrrr said: Perhaps it’s a bit of ‘you’ve made offers you know we won’t accept for 2 months (plus January) so have some of your own medicine’ Hopefully this is true. Hopefully this tri-partite will-they-won't they love saga for the ages trundles on for another month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Boro have offered better offer but Conway wants to go to Burnley so… interesting times await 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Hope it doesn't drag beyond August 30th. Got about a month to get it sorted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Wolves and Leicester are also interested but no offers made yet… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Swap deal + £1m to Burnley and get it over and done with. It’s all actually getting a bit jarring now . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, bristol red said: Boro have offered better offer but Conway wants to go to Burnley so… interesting times await Burnley also have what City want in Twine, could imagine if City rebuffed Burnley here the price for Twine could become awkward again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, RedEyez said: Swap deal + £1m to Burnley and get it over and done with. It’s all actually getting a bit jarring now . Thats an awful deal. Conway has more potential than Twine. Conways proved it in the Championship for one. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Twine defo wants move and is pushing for it so will happen at some point whatever so prob reason why we haven’t moved on. It will happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Straight swop and move on. Simps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Selred said: Thats an awful deal. Conway has more potential than Twine. Conways proved it in the Championship for one. In your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, RedEyez said: Swap deal + £1m to Burnley and get it over and done with. It’s all actually getting a bit jarring now . There noway on earth twines worth a million more than Tommy Brian . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, RedEyez said: In your opinion. Conway is wanted by City - hence new contract. And is 21/22. Twine played 14 games in the champ for Burnley, then was loaned out. And is 25. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 3 minutes ago, Selred said: Thats an awful deal. Conway has more potential than Twine. Conways proved it in the Championship for one. One's featuring in every pre-season friendly and one has been binned to training with the 21's and kicked out the first team changing room 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: One's featuring in every pre-season friendly and one has been binned to training with the 21's and kicked out the first team changing room And you agree that Conway is only good enough to play for u21s? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bristol red said: Wolves and Leicester are also interested but no offers made yet… I expect they will be looking to lowball as late as possible into the window as far as possible. In particular Wolves given the Scott stuff last year but that is pure speculation on my part. Edited July 31 by Mr Popodopolous 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, Selred said: And you agree that Conway is only good enough to play for u21s? Of course not but its the reality that City's hierarchy have created for themselves 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 As I said straight swop. It was meant to be. Even the threads here have become one. Twine wants to be here and Tommy wants to go to Burnley. Let's just get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Selred said: And you agree that Conway is only good enough to play for u21s? Effectively the decisions higher up may have helped to devalue one of our prize assets. Separately, If we had only had the foresight to offer a 3+1 in 2022..like a lot of clubs do. You could even say the same about Scott, 4+1. However I also accept financial pressures were huge at that point. Edited July 31 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 minutes ago, Selred said: Thats an awful deal. Conway has more potential than Twine. Conways proved it in the Championship for one. You've got to consider the remaining contract lengths. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, Lrrr said: Of course not but its the reality that City's hierarchy have created for themselves And we aren’t talking about City’s decisions here. We are talking about reality, and reality is Conway + £1m is a bad deal for Twine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Glen hump said: There noway on earth twines worth a million more than Tommy Brian . Who is Tommy Brian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Tommy wants the Burnley move. Twine wants the City move. They are negotiating so see this happening soon now.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Just now, Sleepy1968 said: You've got to consider the remaining contract lengths. Exactly. Divs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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