GabrielM Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Nowhere near being a "finished product" (7g/a in 40 games last season) but could be a great option to offer us something different up top in matches. Has incredible strength and pace but is very raw technically and his decision making on the ball leaves a lot to be desired, however is only 20 so obviously has time on his side to improve. Apparently doesn't want to stay at QPR and from speaking to a few of their fans they'd be surprised if they were in a position to reject an offer of much more than £1 million. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 11 minutes ago, GabrielM said: Nowhere near being a "finished product" (7g/a in 40 games last season) but could be a great option to offer us something different up top in matches. Has incredible strength and pace but is very raw technically and his decision making on the ball leaves a lot to be desired, however is only 20 so obviously has time on his side to improve. Apparently doesn't want to stay at QPR and from speaking to a few of their fans they'd be surprised if they were in a position to reject an offer of much more than £1 million. I love the name , he sounds like a character from a sixties thriller. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshorts Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 24 minutes ago, GabrielM said: Nowhere near being a "finished product" (7g/a in 40 games last season) but could be a great option to offer us something different up top in matches. Has incredible strength and pace but is very raw technically and his decision making on the ball leaves a lot to be desired, however is only 20 so obviously has time on his side to improve. Apparently doesn't want to stay at QPR and from speaking to a few of their fans they'd be surprised if they were in a position to reject an offer of much more than £1 million. Hasn't he just signed a new contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabrielM Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 Just now, Redshorts said: Hasn't he just signed a new contract? They've triggered an extension in his existing contract. Apparently he doesn't want to sign a new deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 QPR would want more than a mil now they've extended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabrielM Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 6 minutes ago, Lrrr said: QPR would want more than a mil now they've extended Even with the extension he only has 12 months left on his deal. I can't see them wanting, or having the ability to ask for, much more than a million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 7 minutes ago, GabrielM said: Even with the extension he only has 12 months left on his deal. I can't see them wanting, or having the ability to ask for, much more than a million. They can ask for whatever they like doesn't mean they'll get it, just means they're happy to go to compensation/tribunal next summer if needs be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Probably get stretch Armstrong..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) He’s my Antoine v2. Quite raw, maybe not as skilful as Ant, but he’s gonna be a right bulldozer. If Conway won’t sign, “swap” with Armstrong. (yeah, I know swaps don’t happen) Edited June 17 by Davefevs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GabrielM Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: He’s my Antoine v2. Quite raw, maybe not as skilful as Ant, but he’s gonna be a right bulldozer. If Conway won’t sign, “swap” with Armstrong. (yeah, I know swaps don’t happen) Cheers Dave. Do you know how the rules work in regards to compensation? Not sure what/if any impact them signing him from Shamrock Rovers would have on the position they'd find themselves in if his contract expires next summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 If it went to tribunal next summer, then would follow England Compo rules so based: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddarwedlocker Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I really like him, yes raw but if we are bringing in 2 strikers I would like him to be the number 2 to whoever comes in as the ‘starter’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossineri Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 One to work with and then sell for £10m. Bags of potential and raw ability. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HengroveReds Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 WOW in advanced talks according to Peter O’Rourke. Get in city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bcfc24 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 O’rouke reporting we are in advanced talks for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Meh……. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Great signing. Exactly what we need 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyeoboy17 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Not exactly prolific, 61 games 3 goals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Great signing. Exactly what we need A striker that can’t score who QPR fans don’t rate and seems to have no footballing brain at all. Yep great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Forget Ian Gay & his “I understand we are after some foreign under 21 player” nonsense, @GabrielM is the source… I’m going to spend even more time listening to that boy… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobArnold10 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Jose said: A striker that can’t score who QPR fans don’t rate and seems to have no footballing brain at all. Yep great They weren’t exactly high on Dickie either… 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 For all the negative comments, think what Semenyo brought to the team, SA has similar attributes. Not all about scoring goals.. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Jose said: A striker that can’t score who QPR fans don’t rate and seems to have no footballing brain at all. Yep great Had bad is he, Jose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Jose said: A striker that can’t score who QPR fans don’t rate and seems to have no footballing brain at all. Yep great Semenyo thread comes to mind More to striker than scoring goals though. The threat of running in behind, occupying defenders, link up, etc. I don’t know much about him other than the obvious but he is clearly a player that has potential and should be working to get better. It is the type of player we should be looking at more often than not. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, RobArnold10 said: They weren’t exactly high on Dickie either… Dickie showed he could do it. Just had a bad season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, atyeoboy17 said: Not exactly prolific, 61 games 3 goals Understatement.. However I do get the logic, the guy possesses all the requirements, strong, quick, at 21 plenty of time to improve. Plus he’s Irish, which means he’ll know about 5 of our squad (Rob Dickie from QPR). Ends all this “Lansdown is going to heavily back Manning” nonsense too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaineofallknowledge Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Cracking bit of business imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Had bad is he, Jose I’m not going to make out I know a hell a lot about it. Watched him a couple off times as you do, and he looked so raw. Our problem is scoring goals right? Well he’s not going to fix that. Look at QPR fans reactions. They thought he’d go out on loan to a lower division to get experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P'head Red Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 It seems like we're down to our C and D options then.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Island Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 13 minutes ago, Jose said: A striker that can’t score who QPR fans don’t rate and seems to have no footballing brain at all. Yep great Bas savage 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, Banjo Island said: Bas savage I mean he didn’t have pace or power………. About as prolific though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 This was the player I was told we’d bid for on Friday. Now it’s broke by POR, I don’t mind saying. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 What is he a winger, striker? Does he partner Fally, does he compete.. If this comes off, Conway off? Which brings exactly the kind of risk that I fear of two relatively young and raw players at one end of the age range, Wells at the other albeit Armstrong at least has Championship experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 11 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: For all the negative comments, think what Semenyo brought to the team, SA has similar attributes. Not all about scoring goals.. Also take into account Semenyo's initial rawness, I remember his first team debut which I think was an end of season game, looked a unit but no idea. Coaching and improving younger players is an area which we know Manning has been successful at so I'm not going to instantly dismiss this as a backward choice. One of our biggest issues is that we don't have a unit up top to spend 60 or 70 mins keeping defenders on their toes. If he can be improved then absolutely why not... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Do we know what sort of deal we're looking at. I thought he signed a new contract with QPR in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: This was the player I was told we’d bid for on Friday. Now it’s broke by POR, I don’t mind saying. Any idea on Fee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddarwedlocker Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: What is he a winger, striker? Does he partner Fally, does he compete.. If this comes off, Conway off? Which brings exactly the kind of risk that I fear of two relatively young and raw players at one end of the age range, Wells at the other albeit Armstrong at least has Championship experience. Wells is the exact player I would want to lecture Armstrong about how to score goals 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, bexhill reds said: Also take into account Semenyo's initial rawness, I remember his first team debut which I think was an end of season game, looked a unit but no idea. Coaching and improving younger players is an area which we know Manning has been successful at so I'm not going to instantly dismiss this as a backward choice. One of our biggest issues is that we don't have a unit up top to spend 60 or 70 mins keeping defenders on their toes. If he can be improved then absolutely why not... Derby at home, he got sent off wasn`t it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: This was the player I was told we’d bid for on Friday. Now it’s broke by POR, I don’t mind saying. Lot of negatives on here Dave but looking on the other Armstrong topic you seem to rate him as a Semenyo 2 ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 He might not be prolific but he’s only 21 and QPR weren’t exactly on fire last season. I quite liked the look of him when I saw him and he will certainly occupy defenders which will hopefully allow space for others. Wouldn’t mind seeing him causing chaos and holding the ball up while Tommy plays off the big man and slots away the second balls. But there are many reasons why that probably won’t happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, cheddarwedlocker said: Wells is the exact player I would want to lecture Armstrong about how to score goals I think he’d probably be a very good influence on developing Armstrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Derby at home, he got sent off wasn`t it? Yep, when we nearly made the play-offs, but we lost.........end of ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 minutes ago, Jose said: Any idea on Fee? Yes, but I’ll see if the person who told me wants me to say. Sorry to be cagey. I don’t like splurting out stuff like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: This was the player I was told we’d bid for on Friday. Now it’s broke by POR, I don’t mind saying. Happy with this if so Dave? Your previous comments on him suggest so? Only seen him a couple of times myself and can’t make my mind up. Certainly brings the strength we need but what about other attributes. ’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Derby at home, he got sent off wasn`t it? No, Sheff United at home last day 2017-18 season, came in as a sub. Sending off was later in 2019 (needed to Wiki that). I remember Stan (OSIB) raving about him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Obligatory You Tube clip….https://youtu.be/GIdO8R-lOTs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 On 17/06/2024 at 21:46, GabrielM said: Cheers Dave. Do you know how the rules work in regards to compensation? Not sure what/if any impact them signing him from Shamrock Rovers would have on the position they'd find themselves in if his contract expires next summer. Did you include a sell-on? He’s under contract, so we would be buying him and you’d be due £££s if you had a sell-on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 On 28/06/2024 at 19:58, Rossineri said: One to work with and then sell for £10m. Bags of potential and raw ability. Potential mentioned here too….https://youtu.be/GIdO8R-lOTs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Jerseybean said: Obligatory You Tube clip….https://youtu.be/GIdO8R-lOTs Got a bit of pace too, pace and strength will frighten a few... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: What is he a winger, striker? Does he partner Fally, does he compete.. If this comes off, Conway off? Which brings exactly the kind of risk that I fear of two relatively young and raw players at one end of the age range, Wells at the other albeit Armstrong at least has Championship experience. He’s a centre forward. Be very surprised if we played the pair of them. Conway isn’t going to feature, we also have Bell & Cornick, so that’s 5 strikers with a blend of qualities & experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 8 minutes ago, cheddarwedlocker said: Wells is the exact player I would want to lecture Armstrong about how to score goals 5 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: I think he’d probably be a very good influence on developing Armstrong Agreed. Worrying a little about the here and now however, as Fally is new, young- time to adjust. Armstrong is young and has been compared to Semenyo but he took time. We'll see. Sort of signing I'd welcome but I worry about the age/experience structure etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desso Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 10 minutes ago, Jose said: Any idea on Fee? Wiki value him at £1.2 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: What is he a winger, striker? Does he partner Fally, does he compete.. If this comes off, Conway off? Which brings exactly the kind of risk that I fear of two relatively young and raw players at one end of the age range, Wells at the other albeit Armstrong at least has Championship experience. “Forward”! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 28 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: For all the negative comments, think what Semenyo brought to the team, SA has similar attributes. Not all about scoring goals.. True, but someone has to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Desso said: Wiki value him at £1.2 million. Swap deal with Cornick might work for everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cov 77 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, but I’ll see if the person who told me wants me to say. Sorry to be cagey. I don’t like splurting out stuff like this. IG said 7/10 days , is it likely to be sooner ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HengroveReds Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Very smart business from club imo, yes lack of goals a worry but for sheer power pace and a bit of exposure to champ football, very good coup for club Great age too, could prove to be a big profitable asset for the club medium - long term. Alot to work on, and isn’t going to walk straight in the side, great peers to learn off wells etc, assume Fally will be the main man up top - all for it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Swap deal with Cornick might work for everyone. Sadly that would seem like for like, not progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Blimey, Gone from the Auxerre lad to this. With all due respect, Would imagine that means they wanna spend the rest of the shrapnel on Twine. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamin Groovy Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, Desso said: Wiki value him at £1.2 million. Sure we can stretch to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 While I appreciate this lad and Fally are very young and raw, am I the only one concerned about the 'now' rather than the future? We're asking a lot of 2 so young IMHO. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 None of our signings, save possibly Yu, speak to me at aiming at top six. Same old, same old City. We desperately need new investigation and a marque signing 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: True, but someone has to! I suppose the theory might be that if you have a Semenyo type marauding into the penalty area then he demands attention, pulls defenders out of position and creates the space for others. We’ve got potential goal scorers around the side now. And for all his strengths one of the problems with Tommy is that he’s not a big physical presence who frightens defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: While I appreciate this lad and Fally are very young and raw, am I the only one concerned about the 'now' rather than the future? We're asking a lot of 2 so young IMHO. You certainly aren’t! But we have to wait and see who else comes in and out before we get too worried. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 28 minutes ago, Banjo Island said: Bas savage He ain’t that good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Our problem last season? Scoring goals? What do we do about it? Sign forward players that don’t really score goals…….. I realise that’s a negative way of looking at things( it’s been a long weekend) and fingers crossed I’m completely wrong but it does seem slightly strange recruitment. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Ivorguy said: None of our signings, save possibly Yu, speak to me at aiming at top six. Same old, same old City. We desperately need new investigation and a marque signing Unless you are in the parachute payment world the days of the marquee signing are long gone. It's now going to be players with raw talent that you can develop. Possibly jam tomorrow, but let's see how these players are in preseason action before we judge if it's same old etc. Yu looks a really exciting player and is something we've not had for a while, but I suspect we won't see the best of him for a while, Olympics aside the utter change in culture will take him a while to get used to. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, italian dave said: I suppose the theory might be that if you have a Semenyo type marauding into the penalty area then he demands attention, pulls defenders out of position and creates the space for others. We’ve got potential goal scorers around the side now. And for all his strengths one of the problems with Tommy is that he’s not a big physical presence who frightens defenders. The front 3 becomes Yu, Fally, Armstrong? What of Twine. Just feels like we may have been down shades of this before in respect of options leading to confusion. 1 minute ago, bexhill reds said: Unless you are in the parachute payment world the days of the marquee signing are long gone. It's now going to be players with raw talent that you can develop. Possibly jam tomorrow, but let's see how these players are in preseason action before we judge if it's same old etc. Yu looks a really exciting player and is something we've not had for a while, but I suspect we won't see the best of him for a while, Olympics aside the utter change in culture will take him a while to get used to. Agree on Point 2, Point 1 we are perhaps going too far down the road with this. IMO anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 14 minutes ago, HengroveReds said: Great age too, could prove to be a big profitable asset for the club medium - long term. Medium-long term could well he true but like @Ska Junkie and @lenred I am a bit worried about the here and now. If these two are in addition to Conway staying until January at least, that is a a bit different and seems like decent succession planning. If not I worry a bit. Edited July 15 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS15_RED Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 This made me laugh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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