Sinclair Armstrong - OFFICIALLY SIGNED

[CiderJar]

1 minute ago, BCFC1959 said:

So I will re-phrase - not everyone is on twitter!

Sure no problem, but you don't have to be on it to read it, you can just visit a link as though you were visiting bcfc.co.uk.

[BCFC1959]

1 minute ago, CiderJar said:

Sure no problem, but you don't have to be on it to read it, you can just visit a link as though you were visiting bcfc.co.uk.

Thanks - I did point out I am a dinosaur!

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, petehinton said:

Part of me thinks Conway will have 15 taken off him and given to someone else.  

Guess so, 6, 10 (wonder who we might keep that back for?), & 14 are all also available though..

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, SimonD said:

You've signed an athlete not a footballer and, in my opinion, paid over the odds for him. Yes he is fast and strong, but that's pretty much all he offers. Maybe your coaches can get more out of him that ours did but I suspect that pretty quickly you will be as frustrated with him as we were. His ability to knock any cross over the bar regardless of how close to the goal was becoming legendary (and we had Hugill on loan one season!) and his diving is less convincing than Harry Kane's. 

Good luck with him as by all accounts he is a decent fella and I wish him well. 

Thanks for the insight.

One glimmer fwiw, one site said his XG were double what he returned so there is that. 6.67 vs 3 or similar and he has room for growth of course.

Wider or more central do you think?

[Supersonic Robin]

3 minutes ago, SimonD said:

You've signed an athlete not a footballer and, in my opinion, paid over the odds for him. Yes he is fast and strong, but that's pretty much all he offers. Maybe your coaches can get more out of him that ours did but I suspect that pretty quickly you will be as frustrated with him as we were. His ability to knock any cross over the bar regardless of how close to the goal was becoming legendary (and we had Hugill on loan one season!) and his diving is less convincing than Harry Kane's. 

Good luck with him as by all accounts he is a decent fella and I wish him well. 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts mate.

I don't think we've signed him with the intention that he's our main source of goals (we bought a slightly more polished striker earlier this summer). I think we've brought Armstrong in to cause trouble for defences through his pace, physicality, and power, and in doing so create situations our more technical players may be able to capitalise on. We lacked physicality and athleticism in forward areas last season.

FWIW, the general understanding on the City end is that the £3.5m being reported seems very unlikely. A few of our sources are suggesting it's closer to something in the region of £1.2m - £1.5m rising to £2m - £2.5m with add ons, so I think the "paying over the odds" element may be being exaggerated by QPR fans a bit.

[glastored]

9 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

He’s worn 30 in his last two seasons at QPR, don’t think there is going to be much competition for that one, so wouldn’t be surprised if it is that.

With everyone bar Twine/whoever we sign in that position instead, on board now I think the friendlies next week will see the players wear their squad numbers.

Now that Hirakawa has been given the number 7, it’s odds on that if we do get Twine to sign he would get the number 10

[Robbored]

7 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

All hail our new head of recruitment..

Manning and co obviously feel that with their high end coaching that he can develop into a dangerous powerhouse as Semenyo was.

If he signs he’ll hopefully become a valuable asset.

[ZiderEyed]

No reference meant to race but I can imagine anyone by the name of Sinclair Armstrong being a fantastic bluesman.

[GrahamC]

Just now, Robbored said:

Manning and co obviously feel that with their high end coaching that he can develop into a dangerous powerhouse as Semenyo was.

If he signs he’ll hopefully become a valuable asset.

Is there a time difference in Nailsea?

He’s signed.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Manning and co obviously feel that with their high end coaching that he can develop into a dangerous powerhouse as Semenyo was.

If he signs he’ll hopefully become a valuable asset.

"High end coaching"?

I hope so, we all hope so.

[SimonD]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Thanks for the insight.

One glimmer fwiw, one site said his XG were double what he returned so there is that. 6.67 vs 3 or similar and he has room for growth of course.

Wider or more central do you think?

He definitely has room for growth!

Wider or central is a tough call as both his finishing and crossing are poor, but he did score one very good goal for us when he reacted instinctively and didn't have time to think, so there is hope.

I think he has finally learned the offside law. I've never understood why a player with his pace was continually caught unnecessarily offside, maybe your coaches can either teach him to cross or finish. 

He can pass though, he did slide through a couple of defence splitting passes last season. Don't be surprised if he does the same this season.

 

 

[BCFC31]

This lad has real Britt Assombalonga vibes about him

[SimonD]

4 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts mate.

I don't think we've signed him with the intention that he's our main source of goals (we bought a slightly more polished striker earlier this summer). I think we've brought Armstrong in to cause trouble for defences through his pace, physicality, and power, and in doing so create situations our more technical players may be able to capitalise on. We lacked physicality and athleticism in forward areas last season.

FWIW, the general understanding on the City end is that the £3.5m being reported seems very unlikely. A few of our sources are suggesting it's closer to something in the region of £1.2m - £1.5m rising to £2m - £2.5m with add ons, so I think the "paying over the odds" element may be being exaggerated by QPR fans a bit.

We tended to bring him on against tired defences where his pace definitely cause issues, but his end product was poor. 

If he does develop you have a bargain. I'm very happy with our end of the deal.

 

[Supersonic Robin]

2 minutes ago, BCFC31 said:

This lad has real Britt Assombalonga vibes about him

How naive I was to think we'd finally get through a summer transfer window with no mention of Assombalonga 

[Robbored]

7 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Is there a time difference in Nailsea?

He’s signed.

I just saw that on OS.

[TammyAB]

22 minutes ago, 2015 said:

I think this guy is what we might need. Pace, power and strength in forward areas. A little rough around the edges.

His physique reminds me a bit of Tony/Anthony Rougier

He reminds me a lot of Shaun Wright-Phillips and Chris Samba too.

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, SimonD said:

We tended to bring him on against tired defences where his pace definitely cause issues, but his end product was poor. 

If he does develop you have a bargain. I'm very happy with our end of the deal.

 

I had a feeling that Sinclair plus other striker (also 22) and a prime years one ie somsone like the one you've signed could have been a perfect short, medium, long term plan for us, we have a lot of FFP headroom.

This feels risky to me- two exciting yet raw strikers, a 34 year old Wells..hmm.

Edited July 19 by Mr Popodopolous

[Robbored]

7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

"High end coaching"?

I hope so, we all hope so.

That’s the impression I get from Manning when he bleats on about  ‘time on the grass’. He obviously sees his coaching knowledge and skills as of tremendous benefit to whoever employs him.

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

That’s the impression I get from Manning when he bleats on about  ‘time on the grass’. He obviously sees his coaching knowledge and skills as of tremendous benefit to whoever employs him.

The proof will be the pudding, there is the small matter too that @Silvio Dante often mentions about a distinct lack of Youth players developed under him as a manager.

It'll be an interesting first month or 2 I reckon, leap into the unknown to an extent.

[Red Army 75]

Well we signed 2 exciting young strikers. I’m looking forward to watching them in a City shirt. Let’s not judge them after 5 minutes. 
 

 

[Henry]

28 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Part of me thinks Conway will have 15 taken off him and given to someone else.  

I reckon Tinnion will give it to his son just to spite Conway.

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, Henry said:

I reckon Tinnion will give it to his son just to spite Conway.

Very Tinnion centred business isn't it.

Tinnion the all knowing seeing Head of Football.

Mrs. Tinnion possibly runs the Coffee Shop?

And his son, who knows.

Edited July 19 by Mr Popodopolous

[redsquirrel]

4 minutes ago, Henry said:

I reckon Tinnion will give it to his son just to spite Conway.

good luck sinclair,next week when does a hammy,can we call him 'overstretch armstrong'?

[Full nelson]

37 minutes ago, SimonD said:

You've signed an athlete not a footballer and, in my opinion, paid over the odds for him. Yes he is fast and strong, but that's pretty much all he offers. Maybe your coaches can get more out of him that ours did but I suspect that pretty quickly you will be as frustrated with him as we were. His ability to knock any cross over the bar regardless of how close to the goal was becoming legendary (and we had Hugill on loan one season!) and his diving is less convincing than Harry Kane's. 

Good luck with him as by all accounts he is a decent fella and I wish him well. 

We've had Bas Savage!! we will be ok. Fingers crossed  

[redsquirrel]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 

And his son, who knows.

hoping if he hangs around for 30 years,he might get a silver spoon trust  fund too??

[Porto Red]

1 hour ago, CiderJar said:

Oh Armstrong's signed for City

He wears a spaceman hat

 

....I'll get me coat.

If I could choose the life I please then I would be a spaceman 

Take ecstasy and LSD and I'd be off my face, man

Not really a song for Armstrong, but any excuse to shoehorn a Levellers reference in. 

[Sleepy1968]

1 hour ago, Southport Red said:

On Twitter now  

 

 

Welcome Sinclair.

I suppose it was too much to expect to see him playing Jetpac on a Spectum 48k.

PS: could've had Maverick doing this voiceover:

"We choose to go to the Premier League in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard,"

[The Batman]

45 minutes ago, SimonD said:

Yes he is fast..... but that's pretty much all he offers. 

In my lifetime, we've had junior bent and Ivan sproule. They were out and out speed merchants. We found a way to fit in the team

Any other out and out sprinters in the last 35 years? Akinbiyi was very fast. Danny Haynes. Probably some obvious ones I'm missing off top of my head. 

[Nugget]

Says LM main reason for joining. But seems Knight said good things too. 

[Jerseybean]

Welcome to BS3 Sincs, very much look forward to seeing your career progress with Bristol City.

Just 37 pages (to date) on OTIB of which circa 10% related directly to SA

[Loosey Boy]

58 minutes ago, SimonD said:

You've signed an athlete not a footballer and, in my opinion, paid over the odds for him. Yes he is fast and strong, but that's pretty much all he offers. Maybe your coaches can get more out of him that ours did but I suspect that pretty quickly you will be as frustrated with him as we were. His ability to knock any cross over the bar regardless of how close to the goal was becoming legendary (and we had Hugill on loan one season!) and his diving is less convincing than Harry Kane's. 

Good luck with him as by all accounts he is a decent fella and I wish him well. 

“Paid over the odds”

Just like we did for Dickie

[IAmNick]

14 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Welcome Sinclair.

I suppose it was too much to expect to see him playing Jetpac on a Spectum 48k.

PS: could've had Maverick doing this voiceover:

"We choose to go to the Premier League in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard,"

Armstrong and Mayulu touching down at Ashton Gate with Conway as Collins having to wait up on the command module would have been funny

[Major Isewater]

48 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said:

No reference meant to race but I can imagine anyone by the name of Sinclair Armstrong being a fantastic bluesman.

He sounds like one of those suave types in a 60’s series . 
‘ Sinclair Armstrong , a man about town , at home in the casinos of Monaco and the pitch at Ashton Gate. Impeccably dressed , with an eye for the ladies and fast cars ‘ 

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

“Paid over the odds”

Just like we did for Dickie

I don't think Dickie is the best comparison tbh..

He was a snip, under £1m reportedly. In prime years, a bad 6 months or so..a known quantity who just needed a change maybe. 

[marmite]

Are we done now apart from tieing up Twine.....sorry.

[Jerseybean]

BBC version….https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cd19e24geexo

[Strictly Obi]

19 minutes ago, The Batman said:

In my lifetime, we've had junior bent and Ivan sproule. They were out and out speed merchants. We found a way to fit in the team

Any other out and out sprinters in the last 35 years? Akinbiyi was very fast. Danny Haynes. Probably some obvious ones I'm missing off top of my head. 

Dave Smith could motor a bit

[Jerseybean]

Post’s version….https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/sinclair-armstrong-bring-something-different-9422879

[ralphindevon]

I don’t normally attend friendlies but with so many new faces and our first league game being away I think I’ll go next week.

I’m confident we can secure our 11th place by late October this season.

[TammyAB]

Squad Depth:

 

O'Leary/Bajic/That baldy bloke

 

Tanner/McCrorie

Vyner/Atkinson

Dickie/Naismith

Pring/Roberts

 

Knight/Gardner-Hickman/Murphy

Williams/Bird

 

Sykes/Yu

TWINE??/Benarous/Stokes

Mehmeti/Bell

 

Wells/Maylulu/Armstrong

 

All focus now on signing Twine. Cornick hopefully joining Conway in the bomb squad.

[Mr Hankey]

Not read much of this thread & this lad appears highly rated but very raw, however having seen who QPR have just signed as his replacement (which i assume must of been cheaper than what we have paid for Sinclair judging on their financial position) part of me feels like they have gotten the better end of the deal if you compare the 2 in both International & goal scoring records! Not knocking this lad at all & he looks like he could be a very useful weapon for us, but i think QPR have done smart business here.

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said:

Not read much of this thread & this lad appears highly rated but very raw, however having seen who QPR have just signed as his replacement (which i assume must of been cheaper than what we have paid for Sinclair judging on their financial position) part of me feels like they have gotten the better end of the deal if you compare the 2 in both International & goal scoring records! Not knocking this lad at all & he looks like he could be a very useful weapon for us, but i think QPR have done smart business here.

I concur with this.

That is roughly where I am at, we have two raw yet exciting strikers and it could go either way tbh.

QPR look to have a smart pick-up, age 25, similar price- good record in a decent mid-ranking European League, overarching sense of for the future here atm.

Edited July 19 by Mr Popodopolous

[Jose]

A comment I’ve seen a few time is his fitness. Hopefully we can get him to a point where he can be a nuisance for the majority of the game. 

[Qpr Fan]

Qpr fan here.....

Firstly, we are a small small club and have kept players with the aim of promotion and when this didn't happen we saw player values drop  and some leaving for next to no money. We need cash to even attempt to get close to break even. We put a lot of money into the team under Warbs and the last two seasons have been trying to rebalanced the books over thar three year FFP cycle.

Dickie....decent player at this level and had one bad season for us. Due to our spineless midfield Dickie was exposed and his lack of mobility and pace caused us problems. Fans got on his back but really our lack of backbone in the midfield was the real issue. You came in with a £1m and due for cash we took the money and he got a fresh start. God he's slow!!

Armstrong - So fast our players can't keep up with play, normally after creating all that space his final delivery was usually poor. He also has issues trying to stay onside, but he seemed to sort that out towards the end. He's a power player and has difficulty being effective over 90 mins, he's normally blowing out of his arse after 45 mins. He needs to learn when to put on the burners on and last a full game. He is short on goals, but again his lack of composure may be down to the energy he's using and blowing so hard. He needs to slow down and be a more intelligent player. As a club, we need goals now and donr have the time to develope him further. There is a player there, but it will take time and coaching to get there. Again, we need the money and his replacement will give more NOW. You'll make money on Sincs as he's a good lad and eager to learn. There's been an offer for him to sign all last season, but he wouldn't sign. Clearly you have offered him a bigger contract and he's hoping to be more than just an impact sub to scare the living daylights out of tired defenders. We took the £2.5m and will send 25% to Shamrock Rovers. You have only had your pants pulled down if you think he'll get 12 goals and 6 assists next season. I very much doubt you'll lose your £2.5m you paid for him. Some Qpr fans are happy, because they don't feel he's a natural footballer, merely a powerhouse. Personally, I don't think he'll ever be premiership quality but will get better than he is now, probably season 25/26 onwards

Edited July 19 by Qpr Fan

[downendcity]

2 hours ago, BCFC1959 said:

Why is everything posted on twitter - dinosaurs like me don't do social media. I can barely cope with email and text!

Will have to wait until interviews are posted on City website

I'm still waiting for the fax version of OTIB to be launched.

[downendcity]

1 hour ago, 2015 said:

His physique reminds me a bit of Tony/Anthony Rougier

Now that was a front two, although difficult to tell them apart!

[BCFC1959]

3 minutes ago, downendcity said:

I'm still waiting for the fax version of OTIB to be launched.

Now you're talking!

[TDarwall]

4 minutes ago, Qpr Fan said:

 Clearly you have offered him a bugger contract 

Good to see us being creative but not sure of FFP impact? 

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, Qpr Fan said:

Qpr fan here.....

Firstly, we are a small small club and have kept players with the aim of promotion and when this didn't happen we saw player values drop  and some leaving for next to no money. We need cash to even attempt to get close to break even. We put a lot of money into the team under Warbs and the last two seasons have been trying to rebalanced the books over thar three year FFP cycle.

Dickie....decent player at this level and had one bad season for us. Due to our spineless midfield Dickie was exposed and his lack of mobility and pace caused us problems. Fans got on his back but really our lack of backbone in the midfield was the real issue. You came in with a £1m and due for cash we took the money and he got a fresh start. God he's slow!!

Armstrong - So fast our players can't keep up with play, normally after creating all that space his final delivery was usually poor. He also has issues trying to stay onside, but he seemed to sort that out towards the end. He's a power player and has difficulty being effective over 90 mins, he's normally blowing out of his arse after 45 mins. He needs to learn when to put on the burners on and last a full game. He is short on goals, but again his lack of composure may be down to the energy he's using and blowing so hard. He needs to slow down and be a more intelligent player. As a club, we need goals now and donr have the time to develope him further. There is a player there, but it will take time and coaching to get there. Again, we need the money and his replacement will give more NOW. You'll make money on Sincs as he's a good lad and eager to learn. There's been an offer for him to sign all last season, but he wouldn't sign. Clearly you have offered him a bugger contract and he's hoping to be more than just an impact sub to scare the living daylights out of tired defenders. We took the £2.5m and will send 25% to Shamrock Rovers. You have only had your pants pulled down if you think he'll get 12 goals and 6 assists next season. I very much doubt you'll lose your £2.5m you paid for him 

Thank you for the balanced appraisal. Just a quick point on Dickie.

We've seen Dickie occasionally step into midfield last season, is he that slow..obviously he didn't start as a midfielder in any game. Some basic metrics I looked up.suggested Dickie performed quite well under Beale and not so much thereafter.

Sinclair I'm not expecting big things this year, nor am I from the other younger players we signed. Sounds like there is something to work with however?

Edited July 19 by Mr Popodopolous

[Sir Colby-Tit]

Is it wise to trust a man with two surnames?

[bcdc]

7 minutes ago, Qpr Fan said:

Qpr fan here.....

Firstly, we are a small small club and have kept players with the aim of promotion and when this didn't happen we saw player values drop  and some leaving for next to no money. We need cash to even attempt to get close to break even. We put a lot of money into the team under Warbs and the last two seasons have been trying to rebalanced the books over thar three year FFP cycle.

Dickie....decent player at this level and had one bad season for us. Due to our spineless midfield Dickie was exposed and his lack of mobility and pace caused us problems. Fans got on his back but really our lack of backbone in the midfield was the real issue. You came in with a £1m and due for cash we took the money and he got a fresh start. God he's slow!!

Armstrong - So fast our players can't keep up with play, normally after creating all that space his final delivery was usually poor. He also has issues trying to stay onside, but he seemed to sort that out towards the end. He's a power player and has difficulty being effective over 90 mins, he's normally blowing out of his arse after 45 mins. He needs to learn when to put on the burners on and last a full game. He is short on goals, but again his lack of composure may be down to the energy he's using and blowing so hard. He needs to slow down and be a more intelligent player. As a club, we need goals now and donr have the time to develope him further. There is a player there, but it will take time and coaching to get there. Again, we need the money and his replacement will give more NOW. You'll make money on Sincs as he's a good lad and eager to learn. There's been an offer for him to sign all last season, but he wouldn't sign. Clearly you have offered him a bugger contract and he's hoping to be more than just an impact sub to scare the living daylights out of tired defenders. We took the £2.5m and will send 25% to Shamrock Rovers. You have only had your pants pulled down if you think he'll get 12 goals and 6 assists next season. I very much doubt you'll lose your £2.5m you paid for him 

Thanks for contributing QPR, but do you really think we offered him that?

[downendcity]

1 minute ago, BCFC1959 said:

Now you're talking!

I don't have your fax no. otherwise I'd respond.

[Ska Junkie]

45 minutes ago, Strictly Obi said:

Dave Smith could motor a bit

Especially in mid air after a customary Alexander assaul.....sorry 'tackle.

[Davefevs]

7 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

If he's anything like Micah Richards you'd think most people would find him bloody annoying.

I really like Micah.

 

[bcfc01]

14 minutes ago, Qpr Fan said:

Qpr fan here.....

Firstly, we are a small small club and have kept players with the aim of promotion and when this didn't happen we saw player values drop  and some leaving for next to no money. We need cash to even attempt to get close to break even. We put a lot of money into the team under Warbs and the last two seasons have been trying to rebalanced the books over thar three year FFP cycle.

Dickie....decent player at this level and had one bad season for us. Due to our spineless midfield Dickie was exposed and his lack of mobility and pace caused us problems. Fans got on his back but really our lack of backbone in the midfield was the real issue. You came in with a £1m and due for cash we took the money and he got a fresh start. God he's slow!!

Armstrong - So fast our players can't keep up with play, normally after creating all that space his final delivery was usually poor. He also has issues trying to stay onside, but he seemed to sort that out towards the end. He's a power player and has difficulty being effective over 90 mins, he's normally blowing out of his arse after 45 mins. He needs to learn when to put on the burners on and last a full game. He is short on goals, but again his lack of composure may be down to the energy he's using and blowing so hard. He needs to slow down and be a more intelligent player. As a club, we need goals now and donr have the time to develope him further. There is a player there, but it will take time and coaching to get there. Again, we need the money and his replacement will give more NOW. You'll make money on Sincs as he's a good lad and eager to learn. There's been an offer for him to sign all last season, but he wouldn't sign. Clearly you have offered him a bigger contract and he's hoping to be more than just an impact sub to scare the living daylights out of tired defenders. We took the £2.5m and will send 25% to Shamrock Rovers. You have only had your pants pulled down if you think he'll get 12 goals and 6 assists next season. I very much doubt you'll lose your £2.5m you paid for him. Some Qpr fans are happy, because they don't feel he's a natural footballer, merely a powerhouse. Personally, I don't think he'll ever be premiership quality but will get better than he is now, probably season 25/26 onwards

And  breathe.

Punctuation would be handy, gave up tbh.

[downendcity]

51 minutes ago, Strictly Obi said:

Dave Smith could motor a bit

Ivan Sproule was like the proverbial s**t off a shovel. Very much "run Ivan, run!".

[bcfc01]

Just now, downendcity said:

Ivan Sproule was like the proverbial s**t off a shovel. Very much "run Ivan, run!".

More like run Forest run.

His feet were 2 seconds faster than his brain.

Loved the bloke though.

[Supersonic Robin]

15 minutes ago, Qpr Fan said:

Qpr fan here.....

Firstly, we are a small small club and have kept players with the aim of promotion and when this didn't happen we saw player values drop  and some leaving for next to no money. We need cash to even attempt to get close to break even. We put a lot of money into the team under Warbs and the last two seasons have been trying to rebalanced the books over thar three year FFP cycle.

Dickie....decent player at this level and had one bad season for us. Due to our spineless midfield Dickie was exposed and his lack of mobility and pace caused us problems. Fans got on his back but really our lack of backbone in the midfield was the real issue. You came in with a £1m and due for cash we took the money and he got a fresh start. God he's slow!!

Armstrong - So fast our players can't keep up with play, normally after creating all that space his final delivery was usually poor. He also has issues trying to stay onside, but he seemed to sort that out towards the end. He's a power player and has difficulty being effective over 90 mins, he's normally blowing out of his arse after 45 mins. He needs to learn when to put on the burners on and last a full game. He is short on goals, but again his lack of composure may be down to the energy he's using and blowing so hard. He needs to slow down and be a more intelligent player. As a club, we need goals now and donr have the time to develope him further. There is a player there, but it will take time and coaching to get there. Again, we need the money and his replacement will give more NOW. You'll make money on Sincs as he's a good lad and eager to learn. There's been an offer for him to sign all last season, but he wouldn't sign. Clearly you have offered him a bigger contract and he's hoping to be more than just an impact sub to scare the living daylights out of tired defenders. We took the £2.5m and will send 25% to Shamrock Rovers. You have only had your pants pulled down if you think he'll get 12 goals and 6 assists next season. I very much doubt you'll lose your £2.5m you paid for him 

Thanks for coming on here to share your thoughts.

I was really happy with the Dickie signing. It seemed as though the issues he'd had at QPR were form based rather than ability based, and that looks to have been the case. He's been excellent here.

Re Armstrong, you're right - we're not expecting a huge amount of goals and assists from him straight away. The hope is that he brings physicality and athleticism that we've been lacking up front, and in doing so helps to create good chances for others. As I said to another QPR fan on here, the £3.5m being reported seems very unlikely from our side. A few of our sources are suggesting it's closer to something in the region of £1.2m - £1.5m rising to £2m - £2.5m with add ons, so that also takes a bit less pressure off of him to deliver goals and assists straight away. We signed another forward earlier in the window who I'm expecting to be our main source of goals this season.

I've just taken a quick look at Celar. He looks to be a promising signing at a decent price. If, as you suggest, you're in need of immediate returns, then I can very much understand the decision to use Armstrong to fund Celar.

[Davefevs]

5 hours ago, Cov 77 said:

These people make it up as they go along , many people who are closer to the deal inc Peircy say 2m inc add ons , 1.2m up front is nearer , don’t have that much faith in certain people at the club but 3.5 m total crap 

Some clubs are happy to slip an amount out to journos to make their side of the deal look better to fans.

I’ve no idea of the fee, doubt I ever will, unless it’s easily calculated in the accounts with a bit of Carol Vorderman  deductions.

So City feed a lower fee to JP, QPR feed a higher fee to Adam Levanthal.

[Fontaineofallknowledge]

Who is our quickest ever player? Has to be sproule?

[Gazred]

1 minute ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

Who is our quickest ever player? Has to be sproule?

Junior Bent would have given him a close race.

[Davefevs]

5 hours ago, Sarumred said:

If we cast our minds back 12 months, the quoted fee for Dickie was in excess of £1m, if I recall correctly. Tinnion later said it was £600k.

IMHO those fees quoted by the Athletic are wildly exaggerated. Piercy will be closer to the precise figures.

Think the general consensus last summer was £700k rising to £1.2m, wasn’t it?

[Fontaineofallknowledge]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Some clubs are happy to slip an amount out to journos to make their side of the deal look better to fans.

I’ve no idea of the fee, doubt I ever will, unless it’s easily calculated in the accounts with a bit of Carol Vorderman  deductions.

So City feed a lower fee to JP, QPR feed a higher fee to Adam Levanthal.

The difference between £1.5m and £2.5m Not overly material to ffp over the 4 years is it? Suspect his wages aren't loads either. See huge upside in this deal-you can coach a touch/finishing but not raw pace 

[David Brent]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

I just saw that on OS.

We all saw it before you  

[bcdc]

What’s most encouraging to me is, from what I’ve read, that we’ve added lots of pace across all three we’ve bought this summer. The QPR fan indicated thar Armstrong would bomb off by himself and leave all the others behind. With Mayulu and Yu it seems there’s a good chance he’ll have other fast athletes with him. The relentless nature of the Championship means that they won’t all be there all the time, but several players with real speed is quite a tantalising prospect 

[greengrass]

Think if he runs out of steam after 45 might be an idea if he cut out the 'obviously/you know' as per interview. At least he wasn't saying 'like' all the time!

On a more serious note hope he has a great career with us & helps propel us to the, alleged  promised land. Must say I prefer Championship matches myself.

[Qpr Fan]

8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Thank you for the balanced appraisal. Just a quick point on Dickie.

We've seen Dickie occasionally step into midfield last season, is he that slow..obviously he didn't start as a midfielder in any game. Some basic metrics I looked up.suggested Dickie performed quite well under Beale and not so much thereafter.

Sinclair I'm not expecting big things this year, nor am I from the other younger players we signed. Sounds like there is something to work with however?

Beale was a bull sh1tter of the highest order. He gave the team confidence, rebuffed Wolves, told us he was committed and within five days was off to Scotland!! Many of the squad then downed tools after being so let down by him. Dickie saw the brunt of that with teams walking through our midfield. When players run at Dickie he's just not agile enough react quick enough. My view was he moved like a tug boat. With quick players around him and a good set up he's fine. His team mates let him down and his game suffered and he became the whipping boy.

Knowing our budget I reckon we probably offered Armstrong £8k a week and suspect you'd be around the £10-12k. I suspect he thinks he's learnt all he can from out and will start with new coaches. He wouldn't be a starter for us next season and he wants a chance to be more than a sub. I think he needs to accept he's not a CF as there very little natural goal instinct there. He should be a winger, wide midfielder. Some think he's a sprinter who started playing football. There's something to work with and the time was right to get a decent fee whilst he still has a "potential" tag. It's a coin flop whether that will materialise into anything or if he's end up in L1. I think he'll be a good championship player, but I'm struggling to see a natural who can go into the prem for big money. It's really down to your coaching staff to make him a more intelligent player. He has a lot to learn and I hope your fans don't expect too much too soon. You've paid good money for potential and I'm very happy with the deal.

We heard it was a £2.5m upfront. Some reporting we sold for £2m but that's probably just over the net amount after we paid off Shamrock. 

[The dastardly red]

12 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

And  breathe.

Punctuation would be handy, gave up tbh.

Bit harsh considering they've taken the time to come on here and provide some first hand info, opinion etc. Wasn't hard to read or am I missing something? 

 

[1960maaan]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Some clubs are happy to slip an amount out to journos to make their side of the deal look better to fans.

I’ve no idea of the fee, doubt I ever will, unless it’s easily calculated in the accounts with a bit of Carol Vorderman  deductions.

So City feed a lower fee to JP, QPR feed a higher fee to Adam Levanthal.

It’s all politics mate. 
You tell people the fee that leaves you in the best light. They say the max the deal could be, we say the minimum. 
Just hope my mate doesn’t message me saying we’re in for Dykes

[Qpr Fan]

16 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Thanks for coming on here to share your thoughts.

I was really happy with the Dickie signing. It seemed as though the issues he'd had at QPR were form based rather than ability based, and that looks to have been the case. He's been excellent here.

Re Armstrong, you're right - we're not expecting a huge amount of goals and assists from him straight away. The hope is that he brings physicality and athleticism that we've been lacking up front, and in doing so helps to create good chances for others. As I said to another QPR fan on here, the £3.5m being reported seems very unlikely from our side. A few of our sources are suggesting it's closer to something in the region of £1.2m - £1.5m rising to £2m - £2.5m with add ons, so that also takes a bit less pressure off of him to deliver goals and assists straight away. We signed another forward earlier in the window who I'm expecting to be our main source of goals this season.

I've just taken a quick look at Celar. He looks to be a promising signing at a decent price. If, as you suggest, you're in need of immediate returns, then I can very much understand the decision to use Armstrong to fund Celar.

Yes.....last season we had Dykes, Frey and Armstrong. Dykes is another battering ram....with poor instincts in front of goal. Your Armstrong deal gave us some cash to wheel and deal with. We offered SA a five year contract, but he wouldn't sign, so we triggered the extension and got rid. I think the deal is good for both clubs and the player. We just need to flog Dykes next......Blackburn apparently!!