Sinclair Armstrong - OFFICIALLY SIGNED

[milo1111]

3 minutes ago, Jose said:

Our problem last season? Scoring goals?  What do we do about it? Sign forward players that don’t really score goals…….. 

I realise that’s a negative way of looking at things( it’s been a long weekend)  and fingers crossed I’m completely wrong but it does seem slightly strange recruitment.

I dont think we have the funds to buy proven goals scorers . We are therefore shopping in the rough diamond market and hoping we can polish them up . It’s just finances that leave us with no choice.

 

[lenred]

6 minutes ago, bexhill reds said:

Unless you are in the parachute payment world the days of the marquee signing are long gone. It's now going to be players with raw talent that you can develop. Possibly jam tomorrow, but let's see how these players are in preseason action before we judge if it's same old etc. Yu looks a really exciting player and is something we've not had for a while, but I suspect we won't see the best of him for a while, Olympics aside the utter change in culture will take him a while to get used to.

We have headroom but deem Twine the priority for that it seems.  If Tommy goes we are going to have real concerns scoring wise imo - it was bad enough already -  but as above we have to wait and see what the position is come end of August before hitting the panic button completely. 

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[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, milo1111 said:

I dont think we have the funds to buy proven goals scorers . We are therefore shopping in the rough diamond market and hoping we can polish them up . It’s just finances that leave us with no choice.

 

We don't have the funds out of choice. This is a road the club are going down by choice to some extent.

By that I mean SL. Cashflow etc.

[Malago]

If this signing goes thru, with Sinclair, Fally and the two big Robs we’re going to carry a big aerial threat at set pieces, especially if we can get dead ball specialist Twine over the line.

[Lew-T]

14 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Blimey, Gone from the Auxerre lad to this.
 

With all due respect, Would imagine that means they wanna spend the rest of the shrapnel on Twine. 

Would hope so too. I wasn’t bothered about Twine a month or so ago, but at least he’s proven at this level. 

All signings so far have no experience at this level. Yet we’ve let the likes of James and Weimann go…

[phantom]

55 minutes ago, HengroveReds said:

WOW in advanced talks according to Peter O’Rourke. Get in city

Talks by no means result in a signing, don't expect any announcements that soon 

[Jose]

2 minutes ago, milo1111 said:

I dont think we have the funds to buy proven goals scorers . We are therefore shopping in the rough diamond market and hoping we can polish them up . It’s just finances that leave us with no choice.

 

I think we do have the funds but SL doesn’t want to go down that road again. 

[Desso]

49 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Forget Ian Gay & his “I understand we are after some foreign under 21 player” nonsense, @GabrielM is the source…

I’m going to spend even more time listening to that boy…

 

As the Republic of Ireland is not part of Great Britain, he could be classed as international. 

[GrahamC]

11 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

None of our signings, save possibly Yu, speak to me at aiming at top six.

Same old, same old City.

We desperately need new investigation and a marque signing

Not sure what needs “investigating”?

How can you possibly know that the Japanese lad will fare any better than the French striker or Max Bird? You can’t.

A marquee signing was never happening, Lansdown stopped spending significant sums ages ago, the sales of Semenyo, Scott & (in his mind) hopefully Conway, fund the little we spend now.

[Lew-T]

Can’t rely on Naismith as an experienced pro either if last season is anything to go by!

[GrahamC]

Just now, Desso said:

As the Republic of Ireland is not part of Great Britain, he could be classed as international. 

Full international, not under 21..

[phantom]

15 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

None of our signings, save possibly Yu, speak to me at aiming at top six.

Same old, same old City.

We desperately need new investigation and a marque signing

Nothing like a City fan righting off new players before they even get on the pitch for our first pre season friendly 

[Mr Hankey]

Based on our current signings, one’s we “linked” with and the players we have let go, i think this season will go one of 2 ways. Certainly can’t see us being mid-table this year one way or the other. Fingers crossed this lad, Fally, Yu and Bird can hit the ground running.

[phantom]

2 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Can’t rely on Naismith as an experienced pro either if last season is anything to go by!

Why? 

[milo1111]

2 minutes ago, Jose said:

I think we do have the funds but SL doesn’t want to go down that road again. 

It would seem that way wouldn’t it. Although I’m sure the majority of the budget is being held back in the hope of signing twine.

[Lew-T]

2 minutes ago, phantom said:

Why? 

Do you need me to answer that?

[Hamdon Mart]

59 minutes ago, atyeoboy17 said:

Not exactly prolific, 61 games 3 goals

I'm not sure those numbers are correct, presuming you got them from Wikipedia.

In the box on the right hand side, it says 61 games, 3 goals, but in the breakdown box lower down, it's 34 games, 1 goal. Not that good but if @Davefevsrates him, he's good with me. 

[bs22 red]

You’ve got no chance mate , I would be very surprised if we let him go unless it’s good money.

He is raw but def has potential. This is from my mate who is a Qpr season ticket holder 

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, Hamdon Mart said:

I'm not sure those numbers are correct, presuming you got them from Wikipedia.

In the box on the right hand side, it says 61 games, 3 goals, but in the breakdown box lower down, it's 34 games, 1 goal. Not that good but if @Davefevsrates him, he's good with me. 

They’re correct.

22 starts, 39 sub appearances 3 goals.

[redsquirrel]

On 17/06/2024 at 19:50, Major Isewater said:

I love the name , he sounds like a character from a sixties thriller. 

so will he be a saint or a persuader? roger moore on the roof later??

[Northern Red]

30 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Swap deal with Cornick might work for everyone.

Other than QPR.

[lenred]

Just now, Northern Red said:

Other than QPR.

It’s alright NR.  You can ignore small details like that.  

[Bo Andersons dietician]

The Croatian / Sylla / Sinayoko bids all seemed to be for players who were ready made starters - with Mayulu as somewhat of a project. 
This is underwhelming if it’s the only other striker we sign to replace Conway. 
 

[Hamdon Mart]

7 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

They’re correct.

22 starts, 39 sub appearances 3 goals.

Sorry, yes, you're right. 

[westonred]

13 minutes ago, phantom said:

Nothing like a City fan righting off new players before they even get on the pitch for our first pre season friendly 

Remember all the hate that was aimed at Aaron Wilbraham when he signed as he hadnt scored for Crystal Palace the season before. He comes to us and score 21 goals

[95red]

See tinnions  consolidating  15th place,very uninspiring if it happens. I'm sure strikers were meant  to score goals.

[Sandhurst Red]

8 minutes ago, bs22 red said:

You’ve got no chance mate , I would be very surprised if we let him go unless it’s good money.

He is raw but def has potential. This is from my mate who is a Qpr season ticket holder 

Especially with a recently extended contract.

The message I had from one of my best mates who is a QPR season ticket holder was:

'Tbh if Armstrong and dykes went I wouldn’t be that disappointed. Neither exactly prolific! If it gives us funds to reinvest I trust the management group , also if they wanna go then **** right off!'

 

 

[italian dave]

26 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The front 3 becomes Yu, Fally, Armstrong?

What of Twine.

Just feels like we may have been down shades of this before in respect of options leading to confusion.

Agree on Point 2, Point 1 we are perhaps going too far down the road with this. IMO anyway.

Not necessarily that 3 Mr P. 

I don't think we think in terms of a 'first choice' front 3 any longer (or any other parts of the field for that matter). As someone said a few days ago (maybe even you!) its now about a team of 16 - and that's before you factor in injuries, suspensions etc

[Davefevs]

This was Antoine Semenyo aged 6 months older than Armstrong, fwiw!

2 league goals (one off his arse at Swansea iirc?) in 44 apps (27 x 90s).

I don’t think Sinclair is quite as talented as Antoine, but you can’t coach power and pace…and that’s what he has.  He’s very quick over 10-15 yards, and strong with it.

He gave our defenders kittens in LM’s first match in charge when he came on.

2 minutes ago, Sandhurst Red said:

Especially with a recently extended contract.

The message I had from one of my best mates who is a QPR season ticket holder was:

'Tbh if Armstrong and dykes went I wouldn’t be that disappointed. Neither exactly prolific! If it gives us funds to reinvest I trust the management group , also if they wanna go then **** right off!'

 

 

They thought Dickie was shit too!

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, italian dave said:

Not necessarily that 3 Mr P. 

I don't think we think in terms of a 'first choice' front 3 any longer (or any other parts of the field for that matter). As someone said a few days ago (maybe even you!) its now about a team of 16 - and that's before you factor in injuries, suspensions etc

Agreed Dave, but a fine line between confusion and options.

Just fear the possible balance of age and experience, here and now could be a problem.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

Until we start playing proper competitive matches no one can know whether the signings we've made were inspired or a stupid gamble. Every season in the Championship there are shocks in terms of brilliance or failure. Anyone who before the start of last season had money on Szmodics being top scorer in a poor Blackburn side would have been a friggin genius. 

[phantom]

17 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Do you need me to answer that?

Yes

Are you implying just because he was injured last season hell he the same this season? 

[Malago]

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[Cov 77]

Just now, westonred said:

Remember all the hate that was aimed at Aaron Wilbraham when he signed as he hadnt scored for Crystal Palace the season before. He comes to us and score 21 goals

I’m sorry but this forum has a long track record of writing off potential and actual new signings, the dismissive way that some act is ridiculous, Wilbs is the classic example 

[Winterstoke toad]

I don’t wanna jump the gun and write him off before he’s even signed but if this is true it’s shocking recruitment. We need goals in the team and are looking at players who have scored 1 in 34 .

[grifty]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Agreed Dave, but a fine line between confusion and options.

Just fear the possible balance of age and experience, here and now could be a problem.

Every post you make you mention how you’re worried or fearful

You must hate horror movies if you get this scared of us signing players!

[Desso]

26 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Full international, not under 21..

Played eight times for the under 21s.

[RedRoss]

Just now, Winterstoke toad said:

I don’t wanna jump the gun and write him off before he’s even signed but if this is true it’s shocking recruitment. We need goals in the team and are looking at players who have scored 1 in 34 .

That's weird because that's exactly what you've just done..

[Winterstoke toad]

Just now, RedRoss said:

That's weird because that's exactly what you've just done..

Yeh and I stand by it . Shocking recruitment for a club who bangs on about aiming to get promotion to the prem . Even signing a league 1 player with 10 goals for example would be more ambitious than this .

[Sandhurst Red]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

This was Antoine Semenyo aged 6 months older than Armstrong, fwiw!

2 league goals (one off his arse at Swansea iirc?) in 44 apps (27 x 90s).

I don’t think Sinclair is quite as talented as Antoine, but you can’t coach power and pace…and that’s what he has.  He’s very quick over 10-15 yards, and strong with it.

He gave our defenders kittens in LM’s first match in charge when he came on.

They thought Dickie was shit too!

Some may have, but many just felt he'd lost his way under multiple changing managers, Ferdinand as DOF, spiralling debts, and with the club all but certain for relegation (which would have happened was it not for their miracle win at Burnley). 

They all wanted the old Rob Dickie back, but knew he needed to go elsewhere, to find himself once again. We benefited from this in a massive way and I love telling my pals just how good he's been every weekend. We're yet to see one his trademark 'thunderbastard' strikes however....

[Redrascal2]

32 minutes ago, phantom said:

Talks by no means result in a signing, don't expect any announcements that soon 

As if we would.

[lenred]

2 minutes ago, Sandhurst Red said:

Some may have, but many just felt he'd lost his way under multiple changing managers, Ferdinand as DOF, spiralling debts, and with the club all but certain for relegation (which would have happened was it not for their miracle win at Burnley). 

They all wanted the old Rob Dickie back, but knew he needed to go elsewhere, to find himself once again. We benefited from this in a massive way and I love telling my pals just how good he's been every weekend. We're yet to see one his trademark 'thunderbastard' strikes however....

Yeah was going to say I don’t remember them saying he was shit but just as you described above (a lot better than I would’ve!).  

[Selred]

3 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said:

Yeh and I stand by it . Shocking recruitment for a club who bangs on about aiming to get promotion to the prem . Even signing a league 1 player with 10 goals for example would be more ambitious than this .

The bloke won QPR young player of the year.

Clearly Dickie, OLeary, Sykes and Knight rate him as they’ve trained / played with him.

He’s only 21.

 

[RedRoss]

4 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said:

Yeh and I stand by it . Shocking recruitment for a club who bangs on about aiming to get promotion to the prem . Even signing a league 1 player with 10 goals for example would be more ambitious than this .

Out of interest.. who did you want us to sign?

[Finley_Smith10]

We’ve been crying out for someone like Semenyo since he was sold

[RollsRoyce]

I actually like this signing, it is the type of player we have missed since Antoine left. Of course he is a project, but that is where we are at. It seemed at first they were going on a spending spree, but no, we are looking for rough diamonds. It will be for the coaches to improve him. This si the life of a non PP club. 

[westonred]

11 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said:

I don’t wanna jump the gun and write him off before he’s even signed but if this is true it’s shocking recruitment. We need goals in the team and are looking at players who have scored 1 in 34 .

So saying this is shocking recruitment is not jumping the gun and writing him off already ?

[1960maaan]

I was told about this last week , apparently just over £2m . Seems they were fed up with the lads agent interfering and dicking the Club around. 
Now I've not seen a lot of him, but the QPR lads I know loved him when he first got in the side, and thought he had a big future. It gives us something of a physical prescience up front , different to the other forwards. I have liked the look of him the little I've seen and again it gives us options.

As a side note, I was told we had some talks with Willock too. 

[petehinton]

Also, if people got frustrated at Yeboah’s rawness….then I’d really advise buckling in

[GrahamC]

10 minutes ago, Desso said:

Played eight times for the under 21s.

Yep, but once someone plays a full international that’s what you call him.

Dean Henderson has one England cap (like Sinclair Armstrong has one Ireland one), nobody says he’s an England under 21 player, do they?

[Mr Popodopolous]

22 minutes ago, grifty said:

Every post you make you mention how you’re worried or fearful

You must hate horror movies if you get this scared of us signing players!

I'm sceptical slightly..

I'll put it honestly and simply..I don't have total faith in the hierarchy to get the correct blend for balance in the here and now vs the medium to long term.

I find the 2 signings made to date to be exciting but feel we need more of a here and now striker to top it off if Conway is leaving.

If we get one in addition to Armstrong I'll eat my words.

Edited July 15 by Mr Popodopolous

[Winterstoke toad]

8 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

Out of interest.. who did you want us to sign?

Personally if we’re going for someone young with potential I’d go for andreas hountondji or Someone of that calibre .

[Philly The Kid]

Buying potential has understandable logic.
My concern however is that we develop him, he improves accordingly and we get half a season, or a full season where his potential starts to be realised and we then punt him on for profitable fee. Probably good business but if we want to get anywhere we need to hang on to good players. This has been debated to death here. As we'll probably be paying him peanuts he'll want a move to treble his money. We must get playing value out of these sighnings as opposed to buying potential for potential profit.

[Winterstoke toad]

16 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

That's weird because that's exactly what you've just done..

I said I don’t want to , not that I’m not gonna . 1 goal in 34 is enough for people to criticise surely . As usual though the fans at this club have no ambition and are happy to just potter about doing nothing as usual .

[RedRoss]

2 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said:

Personally if we’re going for someone young with potential I’d go for andreas hountondji or Someone of that calibre .

Had to Google this lad. He's going to Burnley. We can't compete with their wages for the same transfer fee we didn't want to  pay for Sinayoko. 

Think your going to have to rethink the money you thought was available to spend on wages and fees. 

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said:

I said I don’t want to , not that I’m not gonna . 1 goal in 34 is enough for people to criticise surely . As usual though the fans at this club have no ambition and are happy to just potter about doing nothing as usual .

If you’re going to criticise, at least be accurate.

He scored 4 goals in 40 appearances for QPR last season, (3 in the league, 1 FA Cup), with exactly the same number of starts as sub appearances (20).

[WorldWideRed]

Think our business so far has been smart. Like this link also. Identified the need for physical runners and have gone out and got them. Just need one proven striker to top this off and then a good summer all round imo 

[BCFCGav]

We’re not really in a position to purchase guarantees, if that’s even possible. But I like the profile of Armstrong, if nothing else he’ll give us something new. Best case, we develop his end-product and have a monster on our books.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, WorldWideRed said:

Think our business so far has been smart. Like this link also. Identified the need for physical runners and have gone out and got them. Just need one proven striker to top this off and then a good summer all round imo 

A proven striker on top would be good yes, especially if Conway is off.

Plus the possibility of the 10.

[Winterstoke toad]

3 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

If you’re going to criticise, at least be accurate.

He scored 4 goals in 40 appearances for QPR last season, (3 in the league, 1 FA Cup), with exactly the same number of starts as sub appearances (20).

Just as bad 

[GrahamC]

4 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

Had to Google this lad. He's going to Burnley. We can't compete with their wages for the same transfer fee we didn't want to  pay for Sinayoko. 

Think your going to have to rethink the money you thought was available to spend on wages and fees. 

It’s like the Keiffer Moore thread.

People seem to have absolutely no concept of the market we’re shopping in.

So far we have signed an Austrian league striker that has only started 14 games.

A Japanese winger who hasn’t featured for his national team & is out of contract in January.

Now a lad who has been in & out at QPR.

Someone will still suggest Che Adams or ******* Olly McBurnie.

Deluded.

[RedRoss]

12 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said:

I said I don’t want to , not that I’m not gonna . 1 goal in 34 is enough for people to criticise surely . As usual though the fans at this club have no ambition and are happy to just potter about doing nothing as usual .

Look, it's completely your right to criticise what you like. However, as proven more often than not. Some signings don't always look good on paper but ultimately work out well. Others the opposite.

You may be right and I understand the concern. Yet I think your criticism will be better placed when we've firstly signed him, secondly when you've seen him play for us and finally when he's played a good amount of games to be judged properly. 

You said you didn't want to jump the gun. 

Edited July 15 by RedRoss

[Winterstoke toad]

Just now, RedRoss said:

Look, it's completely your right to criticise what you like. However, as proven more often than not. Some signings don't always look good on paper but ultimately work out well. Others the opposite.

You may be right and I understand the concern. Yet I think your criticism will be better placed when we've firstly signed him, secondly when you've seen him play for us and finally when he's played a good amount of games to be judged properly. 

Fair enough I can’t fault anything you’ve said there I’m just not filled with confidence and feel that if the club keep recruiting like this it won’t end well .

[George Rs]

Thought almost the whole of last season we lacked someone who’s directness scared defenders. If this lad comes in that’s 2 signings (him and Hirakawa) who seem to meet that criteria bang on. 

Along with Fally and Max bird I think it’s been as positive a window as we could’ve hoped for, shame about the croatian as he looked the real deal but never seemed all too likely. 

Still share the worries of a few in that we still lack experience, especially promotion experience but we still have 2 months of the window left let’s see what happens. 

Edited July 15 by George Rs

[Mr Popodopolous]

Tbh he does have some assists too and is direct...can still grow, just doesn't feel like he will impact us right now. If he develops the payoff could be a good one.

[HengroveReds]

I’m think it’ll be upwards of million fee, with sell on clause and additional goal scoring / appearance clause / promotion clause maybe. 

[Desso]

11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Yep, but once someone plays a full international that’s what you call him.

Dean Henderson has one England cap (like Sinclair Armstrong has one Ireland one), nobody says he’s an England under 21 player, do they?

Maybe so, but IG didn’t talk nonsense did he? The player played for the under21s whether he's got a ROI cap or not. Let's agree to disagree.

[Jerseybean]

Few observations below from their forum. Others on their forum suggest he might be better as a winger than a centre forward (but also noted he could not cross the ball!)

I have no idea about him so will wait and see. Seems like a project with promising raw ingredients

Who's going to pay money for him, his stats are awful and despite taking great strides he's still incredibly raw. On a free, someone might give him a 2-3 year contract on the off chance he develops but as things stand he seems more suited to American Football. Next season is a big one for him, he needs to prove himself.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'll eat my QPR scarf if Armstrong hits double figures for us or anyone next season. And probably the season after that to boot.

I’m not sure that Armstrong is the answer to any question that involves the words goal and scorer.

[fly in the air]

just seen the lad on youtube. he looks big powerful and quick. don't write him off.

[Lrrr]

I like Armstrong, he’s raw and you may have to be patient with him for 18 months but he’s got a huge ceiling to develop. The only concern is City doing two projects in the same position both for decent money.