SecretSam Posted Sunday at 20:07 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:07 There's a Scotland thread, so... 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted Sunday at 20:34 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:34 I dont know why, but im not up for it this time. We have been so poor it feels so inevitable whats going to happen 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted Sunday at 20:37 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:37 Leaving Ashton Gate last night, there were a few people singing “It’s coming home” when someone screamed (louder than any of the singing) “It’s ****ing NOT!” 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted Sunday at 20:53 Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:53 15 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: Leaving Ashton Gate last night, there were a few people singing “It’s coming home” when someone screamed (louder than any of the singing) “It’s ****ing NOT!” They may be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted Sunday at 21:15 Report Share Posted Sunday at 21:15 Come on, Tim! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted Sunday at 22:10 Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:10 Well. The biggest worry pre tournament was the defence, and it’s been our biggest (only…) strength. Thats a hopeful sign? Clutching??? Come on England. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted Sunday at 22:20 Report Share Posted Sunday at 22:20 It’s been dire hasn’t it? A loss in the first game of the knock-out stage feels inevitable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted Sunday at 23:12 Report Share Posted Sunday at 23:12 I'm hoping all these negative comments will in 3 weeks time look embarrassing, Football is a funny old game. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted Monday at 01:01 Report Share Posted Monday at 01:01 Some people think we have a God-given right to win the Euros or the World Cup. We are certainly better than our performances suggest, but that’s based upon talented individuals rather than a good team. Seriously are we better than Spain, Portugal, Germany or Italy? How many Iceland - or Denmark- players would get into an England side? Very few - yet Iceland beat us and Denmark forced a draw. If we really DO have world-beating players, but consistently fail to win anything, then maybe the management and coaching structure needs to be changed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted Monday at 06:01 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:01 6 hours ago, pillred said: I'm hoping all these negative comments will in 3 weeks time look embarrassing, Football is a funny old game. These Euros are the same as the last one when England lost in the final on penalties to Italy. The group stages were just as dull and turgid as this time around but the aim is always to get out of the group regardless of how entertaining or dull it is. Kane complained yesterday about former England players who are now pundits criticising the England players pointing out that they should know how difficult it is to play tournament football for England and that the current players hear the criticism and it can have a negative effect particularly on the less experienced players. Its not the players the likes of Lineker and Shearer should criticise its should be the dreary football Southgate serves up - ultimately it’s the manager’s decision on what style to play that the team adhere to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted Monday at 06:11 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:11 6 hours ago, pillred said: I'm hoping all these negative comments will in 3 weeks time look embarrassing, Football is a funny old game. Nothing would please me more than if we won it, no-one would be embarrassed though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Monday at 06:12 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:12 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Robbored said: These Euros are the same as the last one when England lost in the final on penalties to Italy. The group stages were just as dull and turgid as this time around but the aim is always to get out of the group regardless of how entertaining or dull it is. Kane complained yesterday about former England players who are now pundits criticising the England players pointing out that they should know how difficult it is to play tournament football for England and that the current players hear the criticism and it can have a negative effect particularly on the less experienced players. Its not the players the likes of Lineker and Shearer should criticise its should be the dreary football Southgate serves up - ultimately it’s the manager’s decision on what style to play that the team adhere to. There is something a touch ironic about players who failed for England in the past being so critical of current players. That said, Kane coming out and complaining looks a bit childish. Oooh, it’s so tough playing international football for England……poor thing, give him counselling. Regardless of what ex-players say you still ****** off fans who paid a fair amount to travel to the point they boo’ed you. Edited Monday at 06:13 by Numero Uno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted Monday at 06:26 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:26 10 hours ago, SecretSam said: There's a Scotland thread, so... Go chaps go 9 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: I dont know why, but im not up for it this time. We have been so poor it feels so inevitable whats going to happen But still top of our group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted Monday at 06:32 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:32 I see Harry Kane has said "Show us yer medals" to Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer .... not a lot of medals between the three of them, really 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Monday at 06:38 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:38 7 hours ago, pillred said: I'm hoping all these negative comments will in 3 weeks time look embarrassing, Football is a funny old game. England's performances have been objectively disappointing. I don't think anyone will be embarrassed about saying as such. 5 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: Some people think we have a God-given right to win the Euros or the World Cup. For me, it's just that I want to see a talented squad play to it's potential. We are certainly better than our performances suggest, but that’s based upon talented individuals rather than a good team. You have to cultivate a team and Southgate has had many years to do so. No other nation has an advantage over us in that regard. Seriously are we better than Spain, Portugal, Germany or Italy? Based on the talent in our respective squads, I'd say yes 100% How many Iceland - or Denmark- players would get into an England side? Very few - yet Iceland beat us and Denmark forced a draw. If we really DO have world-beating players, but consistently fail to win anything, then maybe the management and coaching structure needs to be changed? 100%. Southgate is a nice guy, but he's not the tactician or the leader that we need. He's shown that he can't instil a winning mentality. Even our better tournament finishes were uninspiring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted Monday at 06:53 Author Report Share Posted Monday at 06:53 England are probably a couple of changes away from clicking: TAA out, someone other than Foden at LM. Personally, I'd push Rice further forward and drop someone in as DMF; I'd leave Bellingham at 10. That does mean no Foden, however. But look how other teams are playing - it was interesting to watch something on YT where they pointed out the talent left on France's bench, for example. Oh, and I'd have Mitchell at LB...oh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Monday at 06:56 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:56 2 minutes ago, SecretSam said: England are probably a couple of changes away from clicking: TAA out, someone other than Foden at LM. Personally, I'd push Rice further forward and drop someone in as DMF; I'd leave Bellingham at 10. That does mean no Foden, however. But look how other teams are playing - it was interesting to watch something on YT where they pointed out the talent left on France's bench, for example. Oh, and I'd have Mitchell at LB...oh Agree with all of that. If Southgate goes unchanged for the Slovenia game I think I might end up rocking and gibbering in a padded cell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted Monday at 06:59 Author Report Share Posted Monday at 06:59 1 minute ago, mozo said: If Southgate goes unchanged for the Slovenia game I think I might end up rocking and gibbering in a padded cell... I don't think that's going to happen, but I fear he'll play Rice deep again, and slot Foden and Bellingham ahead. I found the link: FourFourTwo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Monday at 06:59 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:59 Garys got a terrible memory we were notoriously slow starters in the group stages when he was playing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted Monday at 06:59 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:59 23 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said: I see Harry Kane has said "Show us yer medals" to Gary Lineker and Alan Shearer .... not a lot of medals between the three of them, really That’s a bit petty of Harry. Is he above criticism? Makes him sound like a dick. Very defensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted Monday at 07:00 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:00 3 minutes ago, mozo said: Agree with all of that. If Southgate goes unchanged for the Slovenia game I think I might end up rocking and gibbering in a padded cell... I’m sure we won’t. Wouldn’t be surprised if he makes fairly big changes - Gallagher and Watkins both starting to give a bit more energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Monday at 07:06 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:06 Lineker didn't start playing till the quarter finals in 90, barely had a kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Monday at 07:34 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:34 How long was it shearer went without scoring for England pre 96? Was it two years? He wouldn't have even got in the squad under Southgate with a record like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted Monday at 07:43 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:43 43 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said: That’s a bit petty of Harry. Is he above criticism? Makes him sound like a dick. Very defensive Oh i dunno. Being criticised by former players that never won anything must piss you off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted Monday at 07:44 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:44 9 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: How long was it shearer went without scoring for England pre 96? Was it two years? He wouldn't have even got in the squad under Southgate with a record like that But Harry has a good record pre tournament? That suggests there’s something not right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted Monday at 07:46 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:46 1 minute ago, TonyTonyTony said: Oh i dunno. Being criticised by former players that never won anything must piss you off. Oh come on, they’re not exactly amateurs! We haven’t won anything for 58 years for gods sake. Makes Kane sound petulant and childish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 08:04 Report Share Posted Monday at 08:04 1 hour ago, SecretSam said: England are probably a couple of changes away from clicking: TAA out, someone other than Foden at LM. Personally, I'd push Rice further forward and drop someone in as DMF; I'd leave Bellingham at 10. That does mean no Foden, however. But look how other teams are playing - it was interesting to watch something on YT where they pointed out the talent left on France's bench, for example. Oh, and I'd have Mitchell at LB...oh I see little sign that it is a matter of “clicking” per se. I would normally say “we are growing into the tournament”. It feels like we are getting worse. There appear to be fundamental issues in how we are playing. Up until the build-up to this tournament I’ve been quite supportive of Southgate, but I think he got the integration of new / young players and jettisoning of the existing players wrong. He’s ultimately picked an unbalanced squad. And that squad doesn’t work when the system isn’t working or the players underperforming. There appears to be no sub possible that just injects freshness, it becomes a change to set-up. It feels plan a to plan z, not plan b. That’s on Southgate. But the players have to take some criticism too. There is too much ambling, not enough intent, purpose. I rarely see one of our players sprint off the ball to drag an opponent out of position or to position for receipt of a pass. I expect another fragmented performance on Tuesday, whoever he selects. I can only hope we can find something for the knockouts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted Monday at 08:13 Report Share Posted Monday at 08:13 7 hours ago, bcfcredandwhite said: Some people think we have a God-given right to win the Euros or the World Cup A triumph of delusion over experience, if there ever was one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted Monday at 08:16 Report Share Posted Monday at 08:16 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I see little sign that it is a matter of “clicking” per se. I would normally say “we are growing into the tournament”. It feels like we are getting worse. There appear to be fundamental issues in how we are playing. Up until the build-up to this tournament I’ve been quite supportive of Southgate, but I think he got the integration of new / young players and jettisoning of the existing players wrong. He’s ultimately picked an unbalanced squad. And that squad doesn’t work when the system isn’t working or the players underperforming. There appears to be no sub possible that just injects freshness, it becomes a change to set-up. It feels plan a to plan z, not plan b. That’s on Southgate. But the players have to take some criticism too. There is too much ambling, not enough intent, purpose. I rarely see one of our players sprint off the ball to drag an opponent out of position or to position for receipt of a pass. I expect another fragmented performance on Tuesday, whoever he selects. I can only hope we can find something for the knockouts. Surely that’s down to the manager Dave? The England squad is made up of top footballers who play for their respective clubs following the instructions of the clubs manager and are completely familiar with how it works. The fact that England have been so uninspiring has to be down to Gareth Southgate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1team Posted Monday at 08:25 Report Share Posted Monday at 08:25 39 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Oh i dunno. Being criticised by former players that never won anything must piss you off. I think Kane and Linekers honours are pretty similar, so don't know what HK on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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