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1 minute ago, BanburyRed said:

Southgate should've identified that before KO...

He couldn't identify we didn't have a left back when he picked the squad , so little chance he'd spot a weakness of theirs .

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Just now, exAtyeoMax said:

This is so bad. I see enough of this shite down the Gate during the season 

...but this is higher paid shit.

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8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

Not convinced by him at club level but you have to deny reality completely to pretend a manager who has delivered a semi final, a final and a quarter final in three successive tournaments is anything other than our second most effective manager. His record is better than Robson, Venables or anyone else but Sir Alf.

Unless things change then his reign will end in embarrassing disappointment but he has done a better job than most in the role. And, in 2018 and 2022, he did it with teams that were not rated before the tournament. Crap though this is, let’s not pretend reality is not reality in order to make a point.

And had significantly better players to work with.Virtually any coach would have achieved the same with this much talent at their disposal.

To suggest Southgate is anywhere near as good as Venables is ridiculous.

Venables with this group of players would have been fantastic.

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1 minute ago, Midred said:

Are there many other country's players in this tournament that are better paid than our players, club as well as country?

That isn't always a top indicator always though. I suspect e.g. Lingard (2018) may have earned similar to or more than Brozovic but the latter is far more accomplished, at helping control midfield certainly.

Albeit Slovakia are barely comparable to Croatia of 2018.

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25 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Has there ever been a more over rated player than Declan Rice ?

To be fair he's pretty solid in Fifa. I use him in a two with Kante and they pretty much boss it, you don't get the ratings Rice has in Fifa if you're not a top player, his stats speak fot themselves. 

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2 minutes ago, Redtrojan said:

And had significantly better players to work with.Virtually any coach would have achieved the same with this much talent at their disposal.

To suggest Southgate is anywhere near as good as Venables is ridiculous.

Venables with this group of players would have been fantastic.

Rose-tinted nonsense, from first word to the last. Netherlands aside, England stuttered through Euro 96. A stuttering draw with Switzerland, a routine win v Scotland and a 0-0 draw with Spain. It  was a great tournament psychologically but less impressive than people remember in terms of performances.

England has been crap in 2014 and 2016 and then Southgate got a semi-final in 2018 with virtually the same players who had struggled before. And the 2021  team of finalists were not a team of vintage players. Ironically 2022 and 2024 have been the tournaments with strong players. He underachieved in those two but that does not negate from his overachievement in 2018 and 2021. 

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1 minute ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Not that it matters as we have stank the tournament out but will be interesting how much time is added on. There have been games with only 2 mins added on. There should be 6 minimum in this one.

Gonna be 5 they said on comms

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