The Original OTIB Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, LondonBristolian said: The classic that every neutral is waiting for... Sales of paint will soar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, LondonBristolian said: The classic that ever neutral is waiting for... That will be an interesting time at our local bar if it happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Rob said: Much much better performance. First half was better. Had Safegate changed it up at 0-0 we win in 90 minutes there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Great to progress, but time for a moan - the bloody BBC commentator is such a negative bugger. We put the commentary on mute ffs……….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Watchmakers, cheesemakers, chocolatiers, your boys took one HELL of a beating 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Nice to win a Penalty shootout, but would also nice to try and win the game before the 85th minute. So pleased Saka scored after the shit he got. But so bored with Southgate’s style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, Numero Uno said: First half was better. Had Safegate changed it up at 0-0 we win in 90 minutes there. That is one opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Well managed that shootout there, by Gareth (Semi, Final, Quarters, Semi) Southgate, I don't see him having David bleedin Batty (who never kicked a ball as far as 12 yards in his career) taking a pen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 gotta say that was impressive from us with the pens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Excellent penalties ! Could tell we had regulars taking them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Bristol Oil Services said: Well managed that shootout there, by Gareth (Semi, Final, Quarters, Semi) Southgate, I don't see him having David bleedin Batty (who never kicked a ball as far as 12 yards in his career) taking a pen that whole situation we a disgrace as I remember it, so many players hiding... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Smooth with the pens, wasn't even nervous weirdly, seemed eerily comfortable throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyAB Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 We’re through to a SEMI FINAL and I feel nothing. What is wrong with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZDA Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 COME ON!!! There is hope, let's gooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Successful penalties and the previous 120 minutes are forgotten. Will this go down as the championships with the most exra times, penalty shoot outs and least goals scored? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 6 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: Sales of paint will soar. Quick drying emulsion I hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 also Luke Shaw got a good run, so that will help our balance. back to the 4-2-3-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Well. Thanks goodness for that. i’m now in Botswana. And thankfully won’t be able to watch the next two games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Obviously happy at won and the penalties were good but we're in a semi final and haven't played one game where we looked certain winners in the whole tournament. Netherlands in the semis would be a whole extra step up needed, arguably multiple steps up which concerns me. I really wish we could play with some conviction and impose ourselves upon the opposition but even in the last few moments of extra time we were sat back trying to hold on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, Will Rollason said: also Luke Shaw got a good run, so that will help our balance. back to the 4-2-3-1 Deffo, players back, hitting our straps at just the right time…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, DaveInSA said: Well. Thanks goodness for that. i’m now in Botswana. And thankfully won’t be able to watch the next two games. Watch out for those dirty defenders! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Spike said: Obviously happy at won and the penalties were good but we're in a semi final and haven't played one game where we looked certain winners in the whole tournament. Netherlands in the semis would be a whole extra step up needed, arguably multiple steps up which concerns me. I really wish we could play with some conviction and impose ourselves upon the opposition but even in the last few moments of extra time we were sat back trying to hold on. I think we can do it but only if we put big names and reputations to one side and pick a team based on balance and cohesion. Guehi being back will help, as would Shaw starting if fit. But I think we also need to choose who, if any, to play out of Foden, Bellingham and Kane rather than starting all three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 The Swiss are a good team. No shame in England having to go through on penalties. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I think we can do it but only if we put big names and reputations to one side and pick a team based on balance and cohesion. Guehi being back will help, as would Shaw starting if fit. But I think we also need to choose who, if any, to play out of Foden, Bellingham and Kane rather than starting all three. No manager in the world drops all three of them. Not one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Knowing Southgate’s luck, Turkey sneak past the Dutch, but end up with six players suspended for the semi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Are we gonna shit house our way to a final? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Numero Uno said: No manager in the world drops all three of them. Not one. I agree. And I wouldn't either. But I don't think Kane on his own up front has worked so far and a decision needs to be made about who is meant to be occupying the space just in front of the defence as at the moment the three are getting in the way of each other too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Would we have done this under the last Government?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I agree. And I wouldn't either. But I don't think Kane on his own up front has worked so far and a decision needs to be made about who is meant to be occupying the space just in front of the defence as at the moment the three are getting in the way of each other too often. Kane has been brilliant for England but there comes a time when you have to wonder whether he would be better utilised off the bench, where his half a yard of sharpness would count in the latter stages of a game against tired defenders. Watkins or Toney would give us something completely different......and less predictable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Said it on a different topic. The only score that matters is what's printed in tomorrow's paper. When Switzerland scored I thought to myself "I don't recall their defence struggling with anything". Every time we got behind or put a cross in, they calmly dealt with it, being in the right position and playing it out or calmly heading it away. Unless I missed something. Onwards and upwards. Win is a win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 6 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Are we gonna shit house our way to a final? It's starting to look like it. I wouldn't count out France against Spain either - it only takes Mbappe to have a good ten minutes.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Numero Uno said: Kane has been brilliant for England but there comes a time when you have to wonder whether he would be better utilised off the bench, where his half a yard of sharpness would count in the latter stages of a game against tired defenders. Watkins or Toney would give us something completely different......and less predictable. I certainly think it is a lot to ask a player who is clearly struggling for fitness to start 7 times in four weeks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Ska Junkie said: Are we gonna shit house our way to a final? I’ve just watched the game with my old man. I had to remind him that for every tournament in my life (55 years now) he’s said to me “why can’t we be more like the Italians/ Germans / Argentinians”, and grind our way through to victory. Not saying we’re going to win it, but that’s what we’re doing, grinding, frustrating, boring? Champagne football is for the Brazilians, I’ll take the win, though it’s ******* hard work. Come on boys 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 fair play, a horrendously negative manager is Southgate but he has done things previous England managers couldn't, two semi- finals a final and two penalty shoot out victorys. You can't knock it... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) As pens do not count stat wise, we are now ‘unbeaten’ in our last 12 Euro matches. Edited July 6 by cityexile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 19 minutes ago, DaveInSA said: Well. Thanks goodness for that. i’m now in Botswana. And thankfully won’t be able to watch the next two games. Oh dear, sorry to tell you we aren’t going on tour there this year… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Kane has been brilliant for England but there comes a time when you have to wonder whether he would be better utilised off the bench, where his half a yard of sharpness would count in the latter stages of a game against tired defenders. Watkins or Toney would give us something completely different......and less predictable. He's not had that half yard of sharpness through this tournament and looks tired from the off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, cityexile said: As pens do not count stat wise, we are now ‘unbeaten’ in our last 12 Euro matches. Yep, I think Southgate's record at the Euros is 7W 5D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, downendcity said: He's not had that half yard of sharpness through this tournament and looks tired from the off. Correct, so I would stick him on the bench. Unless people think we should just tell him to go home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 8 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Oh dear, sorry to tell you we aren’t going on tour there this year… I’m 7 years too late aren’t I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 9 minutes ago, Bris Red said: fair play, a horrendously negative manager is Southgate but he has done things previous England managers couldn't, two semi- finals a final and two penalty shoot out victorys. You can't knock it... I’ll knock it. He’s shit. Imagine a good manager getting hold of this group of players. We’d be untouchable. I’m fed up of it. Scraping past Switzerland doesn’t make it all ok. The sooner he’s gone the better. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 It’s been a ******* odd tournament, made true by all the ‘big’ nations having bad games. France haven’t scored from open play, home nation out at the quarters for basically the first time ever. It’s been very bad, but as they always say, the best teams always find a way… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I’ll knock it. He’s shit. Imagine a good manager getting hold of this group of players. We’d be untouchable. I’m fed up of it. Scraping past Switzerland doesn’t make it all ok. The sooner he’s gone the better. I'm sure folk said the same about Sven, but we went backwards for a lot of years after he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 We did play much better, lots of positives, I thought Quansah was excellent for instance, Mainoo was good, rice played much better... foden much more involved. ...but Kane sticks out like a sore thumb for me. saka was on fire ... gotta think a fit Kane scores one of those cut backs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 53 minutes ago, SecretSam said: Ewww...a fewers' flag Luckily I didn't see this until they replayed all the pens after the event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, Will Rollason said: We did play much better, lots of positives, I thought Quansah was excellent for instance, Mainoo was good, rice played much better... foden much more involved. ...but Kane sticks out like a sore thumb for me. saka was on fire ... gotta think a fit Kane scores one of those cut backs. Quansah is sat at home eating a takeaway with his parents mate 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, BCFCGav said: Quansah is sat at home eating a takeaway with his parents mate I will get Will’s coat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I’ll knock it. He’s shit. Imagine a good manager getting hold of this group of players. We’d be untouchable. I’m fed up of it. Scraping past Switzerland doesn’t make it all ok. The sooner he’s gone the better. It’s an interesting perspective. We’ve had the likes of Venables, Robson, Capello and Sven yet Gareth has out performed them all. I don’t think he’ll take us to another tournament, even if we win this, but we’ve all heard the “get a decent manager” rhetoric before, and it hasn’t worked. Arguably Svens team were better than this one as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 The same questions should be being asked but because we are through it’s being glossed over. BBC and Talksport singing from the roof tops. We got away with it again. They had chances at the end of normal time and extra time. Southgate failing to make subs is scandalous and we are still so slow. I know I’m a miserable bastard and I should be buzzing. But I’m not. Maybe I should start drinking more. The performance was better but still not great and the manager is that clueless it’s making the whole experience painful. Again I realise it’s my problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, glynriley said: It’s an interesting perspective. We’ve had the likes of Venables, Robson, Capello and Sven yet Gareth has out performed them all. I don’t think he’ll take us to another tournament, even if we win this, but we’ve all heard the “get a decent manager” rhetoric before, and it hasn’t worked. Arguably Svens team were better than this one as well. Sven’s team had much better opposition. The other nations were stronger than now. I genuinely think we’d be better off with no manager and saying to the lads, “just go out there and play.” If we win anything it’ll be in spite of Southgate. Not because of him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Turkey score Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Totally deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Fordy62 said: Sven’s team had much better opposition. The other nations were stronger than now. I genuinely think we’d be better off with no manager and saying to the lads, “just go out there and play.” If we win anything it’ll be in spite of Southgate. Not because of him. Ah right, every team in the world was better twenty years ago. Didn’t realise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 14 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I’ll knock it. He’s shit. Imagine a good manager getting hold of this group of players. We’d be untouchable. I’m fed up of it. Scraping past Switzerland doesn’t make it all ok. The sooner he’s gone the better. Fair enough. Sven had an unbelievable squad and couldn't get us past a quater-final, Hodgson struggled to get us out of group stages at major tournaments.. My point being many managers before Gareth have had similar talent if not more and haven't been as successful. The stats don't lie, Southgate is the best performing morern England manager in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, glynriley said: Ah right, every team in the world was better twenty years ago. Didn’t realise. Yep that’s what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Sven’s team had much better opposition. The other nations were stronger than now. I genuinely think we’d be better off with no manager and saying to the lads, “just go out there and play.” If we win anything it’ll be in spite of Southgate. Not because of him. Bollox. The Portgual teams in 04 and 06 were hardly world beaters. We were bottlers under Sven, coupled by the fact the squad had zero togetherness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Maybe we are the Greece of 2004 and Portuguese in 2016! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, Bris Red said: Fair enough. Sven had an unbelievable squad and couldn't get us past a quater-final, Hodgson struggled to get us out of group stages at major tournaments.. My point being many managers before Gareth have had similar talent if not more and haven't been as successful. The stats don't lie, Southgate is the best performing morern England manager in history. Agreed. In the same way that Deontay Wilder would be the best performing boxer if he started boxing at flyweight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Bris Red said: Bollox. The Portgual teams in 04 and 06 were hardly world beaters. We were bottlers under Sven, coupled by the fact the squad had zero togetherness. Still argue stronger than they are now. Which is what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: Yep that’s what I said. “Sven’s team had much better opposition” it’s pretty much what you said. Don’t worry chief, wallow in your misery, I’m ******* loving it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 52 minutes ago, bexhill reds said: Quick drying emulsion I hope Textured, durable, mould resistant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Lots of selection headaches for Wednesday. In defence, Guehi is back available and Shaw now has match minutes. But Konsa did very well today and Saka played MotM at LWB (granted he was moved around later in the game). Serious case could be made for Foden out, Palmer in to the attack. And Toney and Watkins will know Kane is not looking himself. I think when fans and pundits start picking their semi-final XI’s we’ll see a lot of different ideas. Still, the focus tonight is on celebrating a win, on bloody penalties no less! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 At least the game was not like watching wallpaper dry like the france game. And we look, for all the faults, more adventurous than france. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Agreed. In the same way that Deontay Wilder would be the best performing boxer if he started boxing at flyweight. Yeah fair. This country is mental, we get through to a semi final on pens (something that has cursed us for decades) and people still want to peddle this negative narrative towards the manager. Embarrassing, i hope we win this tournament i will be so happy for Gareth if he shuts all you negative ***** up 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 10 minutes ago, Bris Red said: Bollox. The Portgual teams in 04 and 06 were hardly world beaters. We were bottlers under Sven, coupled by the fact the squad had zero togetherness. So you’re just picking Portugal and leaving it there? Okay mate. QED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 9 minutes ago, Rob said: At least the game was not like watching wallpaper dry like the france game. And we look, for all the faults, more adventurous than france. The French don’t have the quality in attack or midfield. Their team is very ordinary. Keep Mbappé quiet and they don’t look like scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Bris Red said: what we deserve, absolutely bereft of ideas and any sort of plan. Hopeless. What made you change your mind?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Fordy62 said: What made you change your mind?! There lies the problem. The outcome clouds peoples judgements. I feel if you can be negative after a win as well as a loss is quite healthy rather than being blinded by luck or a bit of brilliance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBFC II Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Find it fascinating, whenever we are successful it's because other teams aren't very good yet whenever we lose it's because we are rubbish. Reality is, Southgate is statistically the 3rd best manager in the countries history and has a very good chance to lead us to his second major final, something nobody else has done. Are we playing well? Nope. But we are scraping out wins and finding a way, something that for decades we have struggled to do. Switzerland came into this one off the back of wins against Italy and Germany, yet we got past them. Would I keep him after the Euros if we don't win it? Probably not, but he's done a better job as England manager than anyone in my life time, certainly 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 There’s been several comments from senior ex pros about how the side doesnt look right, how there’s something clearly amiss within the squad. Thing is though , they all seem up for it. The body language doesn’t really suggest somethings wrong. So is this really a conscious choice to be so tepid? Essentially park the bus and hope for the that one moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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