Cowshed Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 1 hour ago, robin_unreliant said: Given that Shaw hasn't been fit, who would you have been playing LB? Trippier. 59 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: Only changes i would make to the side you picked would be Bellingham where your playing Mainoo Foden where you had Bellingham IMO Foden is a better 10 than Bellingham is Starting the tournament. No hindsight e.g. Kane's form falling off a cliff. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Trippier Bellingham Rice Foden Saka Kane Palmer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 2 hours ago, Maltshoveller said: Only changes i would make to the side you picked would be Bellingham where your playing Mainoo Foden where you had Bellingham IMO Foden is a better 10 than Bellingham is The only argument I'd make to that is I'm not sure Foden's currently showed that, including yesterday when he was in more of a number 10 role. Foden's had an outstanding season and there's an obvious mitigation that he's been picked out of position but, much like Kane, it's hard to justify a place in the team on current form alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 9 hours ago, JAWS said: Imagine what Sir Bobby or El Tel would've done with this squad over the last 3 tournaments Different era different game now , so nobody knows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 4 hours ago, CiderCraig said: I feel some people aren't happy unless they're miserable. We're in the semi-final, we may well win the whole thing. But even if we win 5-0 in the final, some people will inevitably state "it should've been 6". Or 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 5 hours ago, CiderCraig said: I feel some people aren't happy unless they're miserable. We're in the semi-final, we may well win the whole thing. But even if we win 5-0 in the final, some people will inevitably state "it should've been 6". I do agree. Video on X of the England lads celebrating going back to the dressing room and some skip driver who played in the Newcastle and District Sixth Division at full back for 17 years and couldn’t hit the ball down the line without shanking it out of play nine times a game reckons he would have been hanging his head in shame. We all know we’ve been crap but as a nation of football “supporters” we do need to get a bit of a grip now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 17 hours ago, Cowshed said: I am two badges down from the great one but I will have a pop. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Shaw Mainoo Rice Saka Bellingham Palmer Toney If you want width, then playing Palmer on the left is going to give you the same outcome as Foden. Foden/Palmer playing on the left is only going to work if you’ve got an overlapping full back behind them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 5 minutes ago, Henry said: If you want width, then playing Palmer on the left is going to give you the same outcome as Foden. Foden/Palmer playing on the left is only going to work if you’ve got an overlapping full back behind them. It would be hard for Palmer not to provide more width than Foden because England have not been playing a player wide on the left in an advanced position. One of Cole Palmers characteristics is his ability to play adeptly in wide positions. Chelsea play regularly a 4-2-3-1 and Palmer plays across the three on both sides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Anyone watched any of the Games at the Sports Bar at the Gate ?? Any good ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) Sound. Edited July 8 by RedEyez 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 4 minutes ago, RedEyez said: Sound. He has been a FIFA ref for a bit so nothing will probably happen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Yep Zwayer the German referee.............is known to Zway to the left and then Zway to the right, dependent on who is providing the stuffed brown envelope? I'll get my coat.................. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 https://www.facebook.com/share/r/49iM4KbeFf83Aere/?mibextid=UalRPS This made me chuckle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 On 07/07/2024 at 17:01, Cowshed said: I am two badges down from the great one but I will have a pop. Pickford Walker Stones Guehi Shaw Mainoo Rice Saka Bellingham Palmer Toney What you don’t have, and nor do any of us, is inside knowledge of the camp. Fitness levels, niggles, mindsets. It IS possible there’s things we don’t know. I don’t disagree with your lineup necessarily but there has to be more to it than just players on a pitch. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wrongagain Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Is the shit going to hit the fan with the Ref wednesday - seems he and Bellingham have history! Hence the salute and the fact that 3 out of 4 black england players were booked in the 1st 10 minutes of that game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 6 hours ago, MarcusX said: What you don’t have, and nor do any of us, is inside knowledge of the camp. Fitness levels, niggles, mindsets. It IS possible there’s things we don’t know. I don’t disagree with your lineup necessarily but there has to be more to it than just players on a pitch. Shaw has to start bring so much balance to the team and more attacking options if he doesn’t play every time the ball goes out to the left it just goes backwards or comes back inside again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 12 hours ago, redkev said: Shaw has to start bring so much balance to the team and more attacking options if he doesn’t play every time the ball goes out to the left it just goes backwards or comes back inside again I did laugh that the first time Shaw received the ball the other night he cut back and passed backwards But yes I absolutely agree. With no unknown factors I wouldn’t do much different to what @Cowshed posted... I’m just so baffled by it that my only conclusion is something behind the scenes or other factors beyond football reasons! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 18 hours ago, MarcusX said: What you don’t have, and nor do any of us, is inside knowledge of the camp. Fitness levels, niggles, mindsets. It IS possible there’s things we don’t know. I don’t disagree with your lineup necessarily but there has to be more to it than just players on a pitch. Unless numerous numbers of the squad are injured, the team can play with more width. The players Mr Southgate puts on the pitch = Where is the width, and depth. That is down to Mr Southgate. His formations with what become two tens behind Kane are narrow, with Kane dropping off = Where is the width, and depth. The decision to pursue in this manner is a reflection of Mr Southgate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Sounds like only change is Guehi for Konsa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, Super said: Sounds like only change is Guehi for Konsa. Predictable I guess . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, Super said: Sounds like only change is Guehi for Konsa. Harsh on Konsa, but it would have been harsher on Guehi. Tripper on the left is infuriating. If Shaw is fit play him - even if you only get 60 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Tripper on the left is infuriating. If Shaw is fit play him - even if you only get 60 minutes. They looked so much more balanced once Shaw came on the other day. Seriously, if he's not fit to be risked in the Semi, why was he even in the squad. Trippier leads to the whole left side becoming a no-go zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said: Harsh on Konsa, but it would have been harsher on Guehi. Tripper on the left is infuriating. If Shaw is fit play him - even if you only get 60 minutes. Are you Shaw about that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Well, I'm just gonna moan, moan, moan about England. Because if I start praising 'em now, we're gonna lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 2 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said: Well, I'm just gonna moan, moan, moan about England. Because if I start praising 'em now, we're gonna lose. you know that if England play well, they'll inevitably lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Genuinely not sure how to call tonight. Personally I think it’s a game that England should win, on paper at least. Southgate clearly isn’t going to change his system, but I’d love to seem him be braver and more proactive with subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Currently on a train from Dusseldorf to Dortmund. Am told Dortmund is almost totally overrun by Dutch fans - one estimate I saw the other day said 85,000 were expected to make the short hop across the border, which might create an interesting situation later as the fan zone only has capacity for 30,000, and the official allocation at the stadium was around 10,000 for each team. Visit number 2 to the Westfalenstadion for me tonight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 37 minutes ago, North London Red said: Currently on a train from Dusseldorf to Dortmund. Am told Dortmund is almost totally overrun by Dutch fans - one estimate I saw the other day said 85,000 were expected to make the short hop across the border, which might create an interesting situation later as the fan zone only has capacity for 30,000, and the official allocation at the stadium was around 10,000 for each team. Visit number 2 to the Westfalenstadion for me tonight. Who has the yellow wall end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 minute ago, Ecko said: Who has the yellow wall end? The Netherlands do. England’s official allocation will be behind the goal at the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 If we do get through ....... Stolen Stat of the Day..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I reckon a streaky 2-1 England win. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Duster Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 My mate has been there all day, he said we’re outnumbered by the Dutch and he’s never smelt so much weed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 50 : 50 for me….incredibly high scoring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 The only change I would make is playing Shaw - if he's fit he can do the 90, if he needs to come off at some point we can make the change that fits the score/state of play at the time. If we need to be more attacking we can or if we are trying to make things more solid we have Trippier who could come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 10 minutes ago, Red Duster said: and he’s never smelt so much weed! From the England bus? That would explain a lot 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antman Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 can i just say 'Hup Holland' oranje boven! (for my Dutch mum who passed away this year) 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: 50 : 50 for me….incredibly high scoring And a draw ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 56 minutes ago, Red Duster said: My mate has been there all day, he said we’re outnumbered by the Dutch and he’s never smelt so much weed! Yeah about 80k of them there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 10 Admin Share Posted July 10 7 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yeah about 80k of them there. Reports saying well over 100k now Close drive, decent weather and start of school holidays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Can't explain why but got a gut feeling it will be a high scoring game tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) We lost in a semi final to Holland in 2019, albeit we weren't as good then as we are now and they are a notch or 2 down now from then, they've lost some midfield control and goal power since Koeman's first stint. I think we had some issues in midfield as the game wore on even though we scored first.. Having just checked. They had Wijnaldum who doesn't seem as effective these days and De Jong (not playing). Off the bench, Strootman also of the past and van De Beek pre Man United ruination. Meanwhile we now have Bellingham and Foden to name 2 plus Guehi among others. Edited July 10 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 6 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Can't explain why but got a gut feeling it will be a high scoring game tonight. 5-0 Holland 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Otoh the Holland side we beat 4-1 under Venables well they were better still. A chunk of them were linked to the excellent Ajax of Van Gaal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, Red Duster said: My mate has been there all day, he said we’re outnumbered by the Dutch and he’s never smelt so much weed! And that’s just the players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cityexile Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Feeling far from confident on this one. Think we have rode our luck somewhat to get this far, but heck we are there so hopefully can nick it. Southgate not going to change a thing, so we are likely to know what kind of game we will get. Going to come down to some moments of magic from one or two of our players who are certainly capable of it, rather than being the better more cohesive balanced side. Given how we have played, anything from here feels like a bonus anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Lamb Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 How much touches will Kane get tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Lamb Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 5 minutes ago, cityexile said: Feeling far from confident on this one. Think we have rode our luck somewhat to get this far, but heck we are there so hopefully can nick it. Southgate not going to change a thing, so we are likely to know what kind of game we will get. Going to come down to some moments of magic from one or two of our players who are certainly capable of it, rather than being the better more cohesive balanced side. Given how we have played, anything from here feels like a bonus anyway. Pretty much agree with you. Luck will only get you so far. Feel like tonight’s will run out. It’s all a bonus from here on now too in my view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 2 minutes ago, The Coach said: Pretty much agree with you. Luck will only get you so far. Feel like tonight’s will run out. It’s all a bonus from here on now too in my view. I think we have an inferiority complex from being the bridesmaid too often but tonight I feel a wedding coming on 3-1 to England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elruliri Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 13 minutes ago, The Coach said: How much touches will Kane get tonight? None, hopefully he'll be on the bench. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 15 minutes ago, Elruliri said: None, hopefully he'll be on the bench. Wish I could give you better news but…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Apparently it has been raining hard, and there is a waterfall off the stand roof. Any Man Utd players are going to feel right at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yeah about 80k of them there. My boy’s there and he can’t believe the numbers also said the best fans he’s ever come across Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 4-0 England 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 England seem to score the most this tournament when they abandon all attempt at tactics and just make it up as they go, and we are more watchable when a goal down. Fingers crossed it all clicks tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Feeling very nervous. But I’ve got a feeling we’ll scrape through tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 minute ago, Offside said: Feeling very nervous. But I’ve got a feeling we’ll scrape through tonight My ‘feeling’ is a 4-0 England win - put a tenner on at 50/1. The lady in the bookies looked over her glasses and ‘good luck with that’……… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Is it me or is the Dutch National Anthem O Little Town of Bethlehem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I get more excited for a run of the Mill League game for City, I think it's because we haven't really hit the heights yet, any heights . I think the Dutch beatable , even as we have been playing. If Southgate lets the hand break off a little we have the players to win . Even in qualifying games he has been cautious, at least until teams tire , only then we have scored goals . I see us starting as we have done , slowly , we will only open up and really look a team when Shaw comes on to add balance . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: My ‘feeling’ is a 4-0 England win - put a tenner on at 50/1. The lady in the bookies looked over her glasses and ‘good luck with that’……… I've had the same bet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Good luck boys 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 My arse is twitching like a rabbits nose already...and we haven't even kicked off yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Ok.....twitching at twice the rate than a few minutes ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 This looks winnable, a vintage Holland it isn't. Gakpo and Mallen are decent but Depay, Wijnaldum aging- still don't especially like the back 3 for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 5 mins in and absolutely no left side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Bugger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Saka looking bright again already, but the lack of any movement when he wins the ball back high up on the pitch is frustrating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Awful from Rice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Oh well…… there’s a tenner down the drain………. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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