The Coach Posted Monday at 05:46 Report Share Posted Monday at 05:46 7 hours ago, Bris Red said: Another horrendously display but you can say whatever you like about Southgate, he does seem to have a certain knack at getting results in major tournaments.. On another day we would have quite easily lost that game tonight.. I don’t buy that for a second. Results in this year’s competition and previous tournaments are down mostly to the players we have at disposal. It’s nothing to do with GS and his abysmal tactics. Last night proved that. Cannot wait until he goes. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted Monday at 05:58 Report Share Posted Monday at 05:58 Saw a stat that said its more knock out tournament wins in his 8 years than the previous 40, that alone earns him some respect in my book. I like him but do feel he has lost the plot a bit in these Euro's. Hopefully yesterday was a massive wake up call & we will see a great improvement in what is at once at very winnable yet loseable game v Swiss Tony. The mood now reminds me of thr end of Sven's tenure, when the mood of the country was "anyone will do better" & we got progressively worse for quite a while after he left. Assuming we don't win the thing, I hope we go out in a traditional English blaze of glorious failure, rather than a half hearted whimper. Without wishing to break the 3rd wall & fuse forums I did see on social media that's its a master plan, get us through to the quarters without creating any sort of "feel good" factor that the Tories could hijack, & come Saturday when they've been ousted put on a champagne (socialist) performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Monday at 05:59 Report Share Posted Monday at 05:59 8 minutes ago, The Coach said: I don’t buy that for a second. Results in this year’s competition and previous tournaments are down mostly to the players we have at disposal. It’s nothing to do with GS and his abysmal tactics. Last night proved that. Cannot wait until he goes. There was no positive tactical plan last night, just two individual moments. Exactly what Ten Hag said a couple of weeks ago. As soon as we went 2-1 up a side who had been out of possession all game are then allowed to come at us for the best part of half an hour. The players look bemused by it all, arm waving all over the gaff, a right back that would get in any side in Europe playing like a Sunday pub player from minutes 1 to 120. It certainly doesn’t look like a happy camp in any way, shape or form. Noting to do with “wanting England to lose”, it’s just there before your eyes. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted Monday at 06:26 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:26 26 minutes ago, TDarwall said: Without wishing to break the 3rd wall & fuse forums I did see on social media that's its a master plan, get us through to the quarters without creating any sort of "feel good" factor that the Tories could hijack, & come Saturday when they've been ousted put on a champagne (socialist) performance. No need to mix football and politics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted Monday at 06:44 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:44 The only thing that resembled a plan last night was Walker hitting diagonal passes towards Trippier and Foden - both of whom are 5”6! Last night was another totally abject display, and a moment of individual brilliance doesn’t gloss over that for me. Even after Kane’s goal, we dropped deeper and deeper and invited pressure. Our subs were made way too late again and even Toney - who had an impact when he came on - looked pissed off at coming on with seconds to go in normal time. I firmly expect the Swiss will send us packing, but obviously hope they prove everyone wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted Monday at 06:48 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:48 1 hour ago, MarcusX said: It says a lot that the most active this thread has been is when it looked like England was going out. Some English “fans” are pathetic. It wasn’t good but **** me don’t we just relish the opportunity to slag the team off. I have to laugh at the people who left early mind, they missed one hell of a goal to take it to extra time and for what, there wasn’t even any trouble getting out the ground after . It’s not unique to England, same on here for City games. It’s significantly busier on here after a defeat. I know it looked like we were going out when you posted this, but the atmospheres brilliant out here and you should be able to get tickets for England if you want them. Been recommended this site, apparently legit. https://www.ticombo.com/en/sports-tickets/football-tickets/match-40-round-of-16-england-vs-slovakia-euro-2024-2406301800/0eb197ec-eb4d-4baf-812e-c97d5edae807/filter I can’t understand going all that way and leaving early. One bloke was told we had scored and he looked gutted. Someone I know says he doesn’t want Southgate to win a trophy. For me, the game wasn’t great but England are improving every game and I was buzzing after! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted Monday at 06:49 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:49 Won't happen but I'd drop Foden Kane and Saka. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted Monday at 06:50 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:50 9 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said: In a way, it is a shame that great goal last night saved us from a terrible performance rather than being a spectacular winner in a good display. I was so fed up and down by then I didn't really feel we deserved it. It was a metaphor for escaping through a hole in the bath at half time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted Monday at 06:51 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:51 We have a mountain to climb v Switzerland.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Monday at 06:57 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:57 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: I can’t understand going all that way and leaving early. One bloke was told we had scored and he looked gutted. Someone I know says he doesn’t want Southgate to win a trophy. For me, the game wasn’t great but England are improving every game and I was buzzing after! Improving is a huge stretch. Took us 95 (that’s NINETY FIVE) minutes to trouble their keeper yesterday. Two goals that owed nothing to tactics or playing through the opposition. Two English lower league second ball goals with great execution at the end did it for us. Play like that on Saturday and we will get obliterated. I think we will play better fwiw but yesterday was poor and you have to be either blinkered or desperate to describe that effort as improved imo. I watched second half of Spain and it looks like a totally different sport that England play…..a lot slower one that’s for sure!!! That certainly isn’t something million’s of people are happy about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted Monday at 06:59 Report Share Posted Monday at 06:59 Just now, Numero Uno said: Improving is a huge stretch. Took us 95 (that’s NINETY FIVE) minutes to trouble their keeper yesterday. Two goals that owed nothing to tactics or playing through the opposition. Two English lower league second ball goals with great execution at the end did it for us. Play like that on Saturday and we will get obliterated. I think we will play better fwiw but yesterday was poor and you have to be either blinkered or desperate to describe that effort as improved imo. I watched second half of Spain and it looks like a totally different sport that England play…..a lot slower one that’s for sure!!! That certainly isn’t something million’s of people are happy about. I didn’t say we were good but it’s hard to say we weren’t better than the game before. I can’t see how you think we were worse than the last group game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Monday at 07:01 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:01 Just now, And Its Smith said: I didn’t say we were good but it’s hard to say we weren’t better than the game before. I can’t see how you think we were worse than the last group game I’d say we were as bad, not better and not worse. 94 minutes without a shot on target backs that up for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted Monday at 07:04 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:04 (edited) It's a tough one with Southgate. On paper he has done well. A final, a semi two quarters. However when reading between the lines I do believe he has been more lucky than good. Take this year's draw, all the hard teams (on paper) we avoid. It wad the sane in every tournament so far. A lot of the games we negative and could be argued like last night, we had a lot of luck. Now Iuck is a huge part of football but Southgate lives of it. He decision making is woeful, he didn't get us that win last night we were lucky. Not making a sub until the end (bringing on Palmer was not by choice) should be sackable on its own. For me the Italy game were he played for pens when we were clearly the netter team was the straw that broke the camels back. Yes he got us to a final and then proceeded to choke. A lot of his games have sliding door moments just like last night. He is a lucky manager, nothing more Edited Monday at 07:06 by BS3_RED 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted Monday at 07:05 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:05 I know its tournament football but that was terrible. Moments of brilliance shouldn't mask the 120 minutes of bottler dross. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted Monday at 07:06 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:06 3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: I’d say we were as bad, not better and not worse. 94 minutes without a shot on target backs that up for me. More shots, better possession, more pressure, more chances created, more goals, fractionally disallowed goal, hit the post. We were poor but better for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Monday at 07:06 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:06 11 minutes ago, Super said: Won't happen but I'd drop Foden Kane and Saka. Rice has been the major disappointment for me. Should have been his tournament to shine. World Class? Nothing like it. Only Pickford, Guehi, Palmer, Mainoo, Watkins (first game) and Toney (cameo) come out unscathed. One example sums it up……..simple pass from Trippier not executed properly means we are scratching around for a centre half that can defend next game. Guehi should have ******* chinned him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Monday at 07:09 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:09 Just now, And Its Smith said: More shots, better possession, more pressure, more chances created, more goals, fractionally disallowed goal, hit the post. We were poor but better for me Their keeper didn’t have to make ONE save before the goal, not one. We have been poor for four games in a row (five of you count Iceland), it’s not a one off. We cannot play like that against Switzerland, let’s all hope we don’t find out why…………… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted Monday at 07:10 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:10 3 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Rice has been the major disappointment for me. Should have been his tournament to shine. World Class? Nothing like it. Only Pickford, Guehi, Palmer, Mainoo, Watkins (first game) and Toney (cameo) come out unscathed. One example sums it up……..simple pass from Trippier not executed properly means we are scratching around for a centre half that can defend next game. Guehi should have ******* chinned him. Guehi was lucky not to walk with that ref as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted Monday at 07:12 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:12 1 minute ago, Numero Uno said: Their keeper didn’t have to make ONE save before the goal, not one. We have been poor for four games in a row (five of you count Iceland), it’s not a one off. We cannot play like that against Switzerland, let’s all hope we don’t find out why…………… Didn’t saw we haven’t been poor. Didn’t say it was a one off. Nobody can say we have played well in any game. And we definitely haven’t peaked yet! Improving as the tournament progresses is good though. I try to find the positives! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Monday at 07:15 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:15 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Didn’t saw we haven’t been poor. Didn’t say it was a one off. Nobody can say we have played well in any game. And we definitely haven’t peaked yet! Improving as the tournament progresses is good though. I try to find the positives! Well Saturday will need a positive performance in order to progress. Ask Italy!! That’s one positive for a start. We won’t be stuttering through again, that’s for sure. Shit or bust time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted Monday at 07:19 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:19 5 minutes ago, BS3_RED said: Guehi was lucky not to walk with that ref as well Agreed and it Was one of the most bizarre ref performances I’ve ever seen . Every foul in the first half was met with a card yet everything he booked players for in the first half , he let go in the 2nd . You do wonder if a UEFA official had a word at half time as if he’d continued as he started there would have been about 18 players left on the pitch . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted Monday at 07:27 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:27 7 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Agreed and it Was one of the most bizarre ref performances I’ve ever seen . Every foul in the first half was met with a card yet everything he booked players for in the first half , he let go in the 2nd . You do wonder if a UEFA official had a word at half time as if he’d continued as he started there would have been about 18 players left on the pitch . They should have had at least 4 more cards in the 2nd half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted Monday at 07:30 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:30 23 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Rice has been the major disappointment for me. Should have been his tournament to shine. World Class? Nothing like it. Only Pickford, Guehi, Palmer, Mainoo, Watkins (first game) and Toney (cameo) come out unscathed. One example sums it up……..simple pass from Trippier not executed properly means we are scratching around for a centre half that can defend next game. Guehi should have ******* chinned him. I do think Rice is overrated. If Rice is worth £100mil then Rodri is worth £300mil. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Monday at 07:32 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:32 The swiss was the one team I didn't want, they have looked the most dangerous and composed on the ball as anything ive seen so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted Monday at 07:32 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:32 19 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Didn’t saw we haven’t been poor. Didn’t say it was a one off. Nobody can say we have played well in any game. And we definitely haven’t peaked yet! Improving as the tournament progresses is good though. I try to find the positives! Yesterday was the worst out of the 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted Monday at 07:34 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:34 1 minute ago, Super said: Yesterday was the worst out of the 4. Blimey. It was poor but cannot agree at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Monday at 07:43 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:43 50 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said: We have a mountain to climb v Switzerland.... We lose I think the knifes might be out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted Monday at 07:43 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:43 Just now, And Its Smith said: Blimey. It was poor but cannot agree at all! I'm not sure there were any positives apart from Mainoo. We then for some reason after taking the lead just sitting back for 29 mins inviting pressure. Just heard Stuart Pearce saying exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted Monday at 07:44 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:44 1 minute ago, Super said: I'm not sure there were any positives apart from Mainoo. We then for some reason after taking the lead just sitting back for 29 mins inviting pressure. Just heard Stuart Pearce saying exactly the same. Pearce saying it is not the endorsement you think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted Monday at 07:46 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:46 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: Pearce saying it is not the endorsement you think! He knows more about football than the likes of me and you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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