Come on, England

[Supersonic Robin]

Shock - team who have looked excellent throughout the tournament comfortably beat team who have looked awful throughout the tournament.

[RedM]

9 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

Out of interest, did Pickford pass to a white shirt at all tonight?  All 

I remember is him hoofing it long to Spanish players. Great shot stopper but his distribution is non existent. 

Made me think there isn't such a gulf between Premier and Championship football, as far as keeping goes, after all

[Southport Red]

1 minute ago, Barrs Court Red said:

That makes pretty horrific reading, although not overly surprising. 

 

2 minutes ago, cityexile said:

A reflection partly on how GS sets us up, but a BBC stat…In the 181 minutes he played across both the Euro 2020 and 2024 finals, England captain Harry Kane had just one shot, one touch in the opposition box. Not a good stat.

Didn’t feel like that many

[INCRED]

This final sums up GS and how he has coached England in his time. 
 

The squad he picked with one left back who was recovering from injury. Experimenting with players in positions they aren’t specialist in and not using the in form talent available but sticking with his “favourite” players who have been avarage at best 

The next head coach needs to be someone who plays the best in firm talent and trust them - just like Spain have. They had nowhere near the talent but made us look bang average because we kept playing a low block and surrendered space & possession. The England players are not used to playing that way for the clubs they play for so play to our strengths 

Another wasted opportunity with a talented group 

[Southport Red]

1 minute ago, Red Army 75 said:

Don’t lads and lasses . Season starts in a few weeks, that will cheer us up. 

Never has before

[Maltshoveller]

2 minutes ago, redkev said:

Just shows how dated our football can be at times , how many other keepers hoofed it upfield as much as him 

Wouldn't need to do it if the outfield players could keep hold of the ball and pass it

[!james]

1 minute ago, Fordy62 said:

Yeh. You just go ahead an ignore what a basket case Chelsea were at that time. Southgate has really got the best out of our big names hasn’t he? We romped our way to these finals didn’t we?

I mean you've clearly got an agenda so there's really not much point getting into this with you. All the best 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

11 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said:

Spain were always the better, more positive team.

The thing is we actually looked quite decent when we played on the front foot

Exactly and the falling back into a defensive default is coaching.  

[Will Rollason]

2 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

We are better player for player.  I don't get it's hard to understand.

We've been badly coached.

Rodri is a worse player than Rice? ok....put it this way then, they literally just showed that they were superior in technique, pressing, movement off the ball,  creating chances, dead ball delivery and ability to play to a system. no shame in that....

[Southport Red]

1 minute ago, Maltshoveller said:

Wouldn't need to do it if the outfield players could keep hold of the ball and pass it

Yes, having had my moan about Pickford kicking aimlessly long all the time, it did occur to me that it may have been because he didn’t trust his full backs. 

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, !james said:

I mean you've clearly got an agenda so there's really not much point getting into this with you. All the best 

My agenda is to look how well we’ve performed versus the players at our disposal. If you think we’ve done alright then fair play mate. 

Imagine how good these players would be under a manager who doesn’t stifle them. 

[Merrick's Marvels]

7 minutes ago, !james said:

The only time Potter has managed big name players with egos he was absolutely useless. No thanks 

Do you really think the problem at Chelsea last season was Graham Potter ????

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

2 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

Yes, having had my moan about Pickford kicking aimlessly long all the time, it did occur to me that it may have been because he didn’t trust his full backs. 

Look at the number of times he got played into trouble, and had to get rid of it quick.  Again coaching not players.

[Super]

1 minute ago, Fordy62 said:

My agenda is to look how well we’ve performed versus the players at our disposal. If you think we’ve done alright then fair play mate. 

Imagine how good these players would be under a manager who doesn’t stifle them. 

If you think Potter is an upgrade on Southgate you are wrong.

[BanburyRed]

Southgate should gracefully step down and say 'enough is enough', 'taken the team as far as I can'.

I'd tell Kane his time is up. No movement, offers nothing. Which is strange considering his Bayern stats. He's too slow and never in the right place, drops far too deep.

Saka needs to stop playing on the right if he's constantly cutting in off the left and offering no width.

Stones needs to command more of the ball and bring out from the back.

Our 1 quality piece of play gave us the goal.

Rice is overrated, £100m+ and has no left foot.

Take a bow, Mainoo and Palmer. Guehi too.

Bellingham never brought his Real form with him, sadly. Tries to do too much.

Another opportunity missed.

Edited July 14 by BanburyRed

[Rossi the Robin]

13 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

At least he’s achieved as a manager. He’s an infinitely better manager than Southgate. 

Might as well be Lampard then 

[Cowshed]

12 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

Out of interest, did Pickford pass to a white shirt at all tonight?  All 

I remember is him hoofing it long to Spanish players. Great shot stopper but his distribution is non existent. 

Pickford's distribution is of a high standard. He was launching balls as England were pressed back by Spain's high lines. Spain could do this safe in the knowledge that England played half the night with no centre forward (Kane), and diminutive players on the non flanks as Foden and Saka didn't hold the width to stretch the pitch as receivers. An Ederson would have had the same success with that to aim at. 

[TDarwall]

Times like this remind me of the 2 rules of football;

1) winning is everything;

2) See rule #1

If the new England manager plays "front foot football", we're a joy to watch, but we keep getting beat in semis/finals but more pragmatic teams, eventually he'll be mocked as niave & there will be calls for a more measured approach.

Look what Southgate has achieved versus everyone else that has ever managed England & his record is v impressive.

I think now is the time for him to go, he can leave with his head held high, which he has earned over the last 8 years.

However, I have no faith the next person will even match, let along better his record. When it comes to the very highest level on a technical level, England players still look a bit behind the best in the world.  Spain pressed us, we panicked & went long too often. If we'd have pressed them, they would have played through us.

Not at all convinced Kane has been fully fit all tourno, but I do understand why he stuck with him (& he was joint top scorer).

If you're going to lose, make sure its to the best team, which Spain were.

[TheCulturalBomb]

Southgate needs to go.

 

His team selections were poor.

The team lacked any cohesion or fluidity most of the time.

His substitution selections and time he changes things was poor. 

Tactically nowhere near good enough for this level. A career yes man lucky to be in this job.

[Markthehorn]

The most disappointing thing tonight was we let the momentum we had go once we scored .

Almost waiting for Spain to score then attack once more 

[TDarwall]

9 minutes ago, INCRED said:

They had nowhere near the talent 

Struggle a bit with this.

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, TDarwall said:

Times like this remind me of the 2 rules of football;

1) winning is everything;

2) See rule #1

If the new England manager plays "front foot football", we're a joy to watch, but we keep getting beat in semis/finals but more pragmatic teams, eventually he'll be mocked as niave & there will be calls for a more measured approach.

Look what Southgate has achieved versus everyone else that has ever managed England & his record is v impressive.

I think now is the time for him to go, he can leave with his head held high, which he has earned over the last 8 years.

However, I have no faith the next person will even match, let along better his record. When it comes to the very highest level on a technical level, England players still look a bit behind the best in the world.  Spain pressed us, we panicked & went long too often. If we'd have pressed them, they would have played through us.

Not at all convinced Kane has been fully fit all tourno, but I do understand why he stuck with him (& he was joint top scorer).

If you're going to lose, make sure its to the best team, which Spain were.

Southgate’s record is impressive cos we only ever draw ******* Serbia. 

[!james]

1 minute ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Do you really think the problem at Chelsea last season was Graham Potter ????

Nope but he hardly played free flowing attacking football with the wealth of talent he had.

I think we have some delusional fans who think that there is a magic formula and all of a sudden a new manager will 'release the handbrake' and have us playing like 1979s Brazil. It won't happen, we will still grind out shit results and Southgate suddenly won't seem so bad. 

[Fordy62]

3 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

Might as well be Lampard then 

No. That’d be mental. 

[cidercity1987]

Pickford. 7. Possibly our man of the match but his saves were actually routine. Poor kicking

Walker. 5. At fault for both goals trying to cover inside too much.

Stones. 7. Defended well and carried the ball forward

Guehi. 6. Did his job.

Shaw. 6. Started excellently 8 in the first half but naturally faded, also at fault for the first.

Saka. 6. Our biggest threat but didn't get enough of the ball.

Rice. 5. Did not control the game against their dominant midfield

Mainoo. 5. A game too far for this lad but no shame in that

Foden. 6. Not his best night

Bellingham. 5. I have to say this guy is one of the most overrated footballers I have ever seen. Does not play in a system, takes too many touches. Must have had an expected assist of about 0.05 in the entire tournament although did make his first assist tonight with his first first time pass I have ever seen. Definitely not a CM with a lack of fitness. 

Kane 3. Absolutely ******* useless, there's a reason he hasn't won a trophy. Goals gloss over the fact he has hampered us all tournament.

Edited July 14 by cidercity1987

[cityexile]

Just now, Markthehorn said:

The most disappointing thing tonight was we let the momentum we had go once we scored .

Almost waiting for Spain to score then attack once more 

In part it seems a modern trend to sit back when ahead, even Spain did it, but by far our best football was played when a goal down all tourney. Pickford was by far the busier goalie.

[Back of the Dolman]

Just now, Markthehorn said:

The most disappointing thing tonight was we let the momentum we had go once we scored .

Almost waiting for Spain to score then attack once more 

Yes just before Spain got their second, the commentators said that we were about to bring Gallagher and Trippier.

Didn’t strike me as a sign that we were looking to take the game to Spain 

[Super]

It's not even a great Spanish team tbh not many if any would get into the 2012 team. They were the best team and deserving winners.

[Gimme Shelton]

1 minute ago, TDarwall said:

Times like this remind me of the 2 rules of football;

1) winning is everything;

2) See rule #1

If the new England manager plays "front foot football", we're a joy to watch, but we keep getting beat in semis/finals but more pragmatic teams, eventually he'll be mocked as niave & there will be calls for a more measured approach.

Look what Southgate has achieved versus everyone else that has ever managed England & his record is v impressive.

I think now is the time for him to go, he can leave with his head held high, which he has earned over the last 8 years.

However, I have no faith the next person will even match, let along better his record. When it comes to the very highest level on a technical level, England players still look a bit behind the best in the world.  Spain pressed us, we panicked & went long too often. If we'd have pressed them, they would have played through us.

Not at all convinced Kane has been fully fit all tourno, but I do understand why he stuck with him (& he was joint top scorer).

If you're going to lose, make sure its to the best team, which Spain were.

Kane has been blatantly unfit all tournament,losing balls he normally keeps and his passing nowhere near his usual standard . A brave manager would never have started him.

 

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, !james said:

Nope but he hardly played free flowing attacking football with the wealth of talent he had.

I think we have some delusional fans who think that there is a magic formula and all of a sudden a new manager will 'release the handbrake' and have us playing like 1979s Brazil. It won't happen, we will still grind out shit results and Southgate suddenly won't seem so bad. 

Why can’t we think we can play better than that?

Can I ask you a genuine question? And I’d like you to answer it honestly. What do you think is the more contributory factor to Southgate’s success?

1. His managerial skill?
2. The fact he’s been lucky enough to draw shit teams in every tournament?

Go on… answer honestly. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

5 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Pickford's distribution is of a high standard. He was launching balls as England were pressed back by Spain's high lines. Spain could do this safe in the knowledge that England played half the night with no centre forward (Kane), and diminutive players on the non flanks as Foden and Saka didn't hold the width to stretch the pitch as receivers. An Ederson would have had the same success with that to aim at. 

I was hoping Rice and Mainoo maybe would outplay Rodri and Ruiz when ably assisted by Bellingham or Foden coming in, or both- thereby negating Olmo.

Was I expecting a bit too much or?

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, TheCulturalBomb said:

Southgate needs to go.

 

His team selections were poor.

The team lacked any cohesion or fluidity most of the time.

His substitution selections and time he changes things was poor. 

Tactically nowhere near good enough for this level. A career yes man lucky to be in this job.

I am pretty sure Southgate will go. But he has got us to two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments. Most of his predecessors have nowhere near that record and this is the only tournament where anyone can legitimately claim he had a strong team.

I agree he takes too long to make subs but pretty much every sub he made has worked and tactically, he has urinated over his predecessors from a stupendous height.

I think it is time for him to go and he will go but we will be so ridiculously lucky if the next manager has a record even remotely close to his.

[Bristol Rob]

2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Pickford. 7. Possibly our man of the match his saves were actually routine. Poor kicking

Walker. 5. At fault for both goals trying to cover inside too much.

Stones. 7. Defended well and carried the ball forward

Guehi. 6. Did his job.

Shaw. 6. Started excellently 8 in the first half but naturally faded, also at fault for the first.

Saka. 6. Our biggest threat but didn't get enough of the ball.

Rice. 5. Did not control the game against their dominate midfield

Mainoo. 5. A game too far for this lad.

Foden. 6. Not his best night

Bellingham. 5. I have to say this guy is one of the most overrated footballers I have ever seen. Does not play in a system, takes too many touches. Must have had an expected assist of about 0.05 in the entire tournament although did make his first assist tonight with his first first time pass I have ever seen. Definitely not a CM with a lack of fitness. 

Kane 3. Absolutely ******* useless, there's a reason he hasn't won a trophy. Goals gloss over the fact he has hampered us all tournament.

Out of interest, what instructions was Bellingham given that he didn't follow?

(I mostly had music on this evening with the game on the telly), so didn't listen to the specifics, and haven't watched the post match analysis.

[cidercity1987]

2 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

Yes just before Spain got their second, the commentators said that we were about to bring Gallagher and Trippier.

Didn’t strike me as a sign that we were looking to take the game to Spain 

We had already ceded the game 10 mins prior and definitely needed Gallagher on so we had a functioning midfield 

[Fordy62]

Just now, LondonBristolian said:

I am pretty sure Southgate will go. But he has got us to two finals, a semi and a quarter in four tournaments. Most of his predecessors have nowhere near that record and this is the only tournament where anyone can legitimately claim he had a strong team.

I agree he takes too long to make subs but pretty much every sub he made has worked and tactically, he has urinated over his predecessors from a stupendous height.

I think it is time for him to go and he will go but we will be so ridiculously lucky if the next manager has a record even remotely close to his.

The next manager won’t get the luck of the draw that Southgate always gets. 

[WECANDO]

4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Pickford. 7. Possibly our man of the match but his saves were actually routine. Poor kicking

Walker. 5. At fault for both goals trying to cover inside too much.

Stones. 7. Defended well and carried the ball forward

Guehi. 6. Did his job.

Shaw. 6. Started excellently 8 in the first half but naturally faded, also at fault for the first.

Saka. 6. Our biggest threat but didn't get enough of the ball.

Rice. 5. Did not control the game against their dominant midfield

Mainoo. 5. A game too far for this lad but no shame in that

Foden. 6. Not his best night

Bellingham. 5. I have to say this guy is one of the most overrated footballers I have ever seen. Does not play in a system, takes too many touches. Must have had an expected assist of about 0.05 in the entire tournament although did make his first assist tonight with his first first time pass I have ever seen. Definitely not a CM with a lack of fitness. 

Kane 3. Absolutely ******* useless, there's a reason he hasn't won a trophy. Goals gloss over the fact he has hampered us all tournament.

Totally agree.

[Rossi the Robin]

Southgate needs to go. Time to change yes

His team selections were poor. No

The team lacked any cohesion or fluidity most of the time. Not all of the time, maybe this tournament but hard to beat

His substitution selections and time he changes things was poor. No got it right 

Tactically nowhere near good enough for this level. A career yes man lucky to be in this job. Outstanding record most teams would be envious of just the final product 

[The Batman]

2 minutes ago, Super said:

It's not even a great Spanish team tbh not many if any would get into the 2012 team. They were the best team and deserving winners.

That era of the Spanish national team was beyond exceptional. Which ever player played, was at the elite High standard. Then it went all to shit in the 2014 world Cup. 

This Spanish group of players play very well as a unit and play to their strengths under clear instruction from the coach. Best team in this tournament. I said at the time whoever won Germany v Spain match would win the tournament, and so it was. Shame they met so early but that's the way it worked out. 

[Selred]

Just now, Fordy62 said:

The next manager won’t get the luck of the draw that Southgate always gets. 

Always gets hahaha. You can only beat who’s in front of you. Two finals, a semi. 

Hodgson, Capello, McClaren, Sven, Keegan, Hoddle, Venables, Robson, Greenwood, Revie. Not of them anywhere near Southgate. 

[phantom]

3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

The next manager won’t get the luck of the draw that Southgate always gets. 

We still had to beat all the teams we played 

[Fordy62]

Just now, Selred said:

Always gets hahaha. You can only beat who’s in front of you. Two finals, a semi. 

Hodgson, Capello, McClaren, Sven, Keegan, Hoddle, Venables, Robson, Greenwood, Revie. Not of them anywhere near Southgate. 

So you don’t think he’s been lucky?

[ORANGE500]

41 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

Our luck ran out, shame, with a decent manager we could of gave them a game, man for man we are as good as them but we have a totally inept manager, push the boat out to get a Pep, Klopp or Arteta, unfortunately I think we’ll end up with the current U21 manager

The job is for an Englishman only

[Fordy62]

Just now, phantom said:

We still had to beat all the teams we played 

Drew with most of them!

[glynriley]

3 minutes ago, TheCulturalBomb said:

Southgate needs to go.

 

His team selections were poor.

The team lacked any cohesion or fluidity most of the time.

His substitution selections and time he changes things was poor. 

Tactically nowhere near good enough for this level. A career yes man lucky to be in this job.

I think Southgate will leave now. He’’s done a fantastic job in getting us to the business end of tournaments, but it’s probably time up now. 
 

However, appointing the likes of Potter or Howe won’t take us any further IMO. 
 

The FA need to be bold and it will cost, but I’d go for Carlo Ancelotti. He almost left Real Madrid for Brazil, and I reckon he’d love to work with some of the young players we’ve got. 

Can’t see the FA being that brave though, and we’ll go back to exiting tournaments at the QF stage  

 

[AshtonGreat]

2 hours ago, Super said:

Kane is a passenger so far

Kane was a passenger all tournament. Most fans could see it, but not Southgate

[phantom]

All about fine margins, I thought Walker should have done better in the build up though 

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, Fordy62 said:

The next manager won’t get the luck of the draw that Southgate always gets. 

I normally agree with your post but this is a bit of a nonsense, albeit with more nonsense laid on top of it. We have not been uniquely lucky at every stage.

We’ve decided Germany in 2021 were a poor team but purely because they lost to England and ignored the Netherlands completely. Denmark and Croatia in 2021, Switzerland this year and Croatia in 2018 were not exactly terrible. You can only beat the teams in front of you but Southgate has generally done that in a way his predecessors did not. There is so long you can say Southgate was lucky for and four tournaments totally exceeds that.

[cityexile]

3 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

 

Southgate needs to go. Time to change yes

His team selections were poor. No

The team lacked any cohesion or fluidity most of the time. Not all of the time, maybe this tournament but hard to beat

His substitution selections and time he changes things was poor. No got it right 

Tactically nowhere near good enough for this level. A career yes man lucky to be in this job. Outstanding record most teams would be envious of just the final product 

It’s all about personal views, but will believe for ever that the Toney sub at 94 min was not genius, but wanting to give Toney the chance to say he had played at the Euros. 

[cidercity1987]

As regards Southgate

Brilliant man manager, bringing together a diverse group of players. Does not have the tactical acumen of his peers and has never made a team more than the sum of its parts

It would have been great for him to sign off with a win and Sir Gareth happy days but it was not to be. The right time to leave no matter the result tonight.

[Rossi the Robin]

Just now, Fordy62 said:

Drew with most of them!

Lots of games are draws and go to ET in the knockouts 

[phantom]

2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

So you don’t think he’s been lucky?

Would be interested to see who we've faced in tournaments in the past 

1 minute ago, Fordy62 said:

Drew with most of them!

Which tournament? 

This tournament we won 3, drew 2 and lost 1 of the ties 

[Southport Red]

14 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Pickford's distribution is of a high standard. He was launching balls as England were pressed back by Spain's high lines. Spain could do this safe in the knowledge that England played half the night with no centre forward (Kane), and diminutive players on the non flanks as Foden and Saka didn't hold the width to stretch the pitch as receivers. An Ederson would have had the same success with that to aim at. 

That may well be so, but he does seem to go long far more often that other top tier keepers. Tonight, despite his heroics in the more obvious parts of goalkeeping, he did cough up possession very often. Genuinely cannot remember him finding a colleague. This may have been because of Spain’s excellent press, but I think it was the same in the earlier rounds too. 

[Robin101]

15 minutes ago, Markthehorn said:

The most disappointing thing tonight was we let the momentum we had go once we scored .

Almost waiting for Spain to score then attack once more 

There was a moment a few minutes after we’d just scored, fans were up for it, players visibly had the momentum and we had a throw-in around their box. What did we do? Throw it back to halfway line, then back to Pickford. Mind-blowing.

[cidercity1987]

1 minute ago, phantom said:

Would be interested to see who we've faced in tournaments in the past 

Which tournament? 

This tournament we won 3, drew 2 and lost 1 of the ties 

In 90 mins, 2 wins, 4 draws, 1 defeat

In 120 mins 3 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat

[Back of the Dolman]

4 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

So you don’t think he’s been lucky?

I’m not in the Southgate fan club but he doesn’t handpick who they get drawn against.

And as the famous saying goes “it’s the luck of the draw”

You can only beat what’s in front of you but in the biggest games of his career he’s not been able to do that.

[Rossi the Robin]

2 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

I’m not in the Southgate fan club but he doesn’t handpick who they get drawn against.

And as the famous saying goes “it’s the luck of the draw”

You can only beat what’s in front of you but in the biggest games of his career he’s not been able to do that.

Probably why we need someone to kick us on now but stability has been achieved over the last few years when he inherited a shit show 

[TV Tom]

10 minutes ago, ORANGE500 said:

The job is for an Englishman only

So you’d have McClaren or Allardyce over Pep or Klopp ?

[Markthehorn]

18 minutes ago, cityexile said:

In part it seems a modern trend to sit back when ahead, even Spain did it, but by far our best football was played when a goal down all tourney. Pickford was by far the busier goalie.

Yes definitely is a lot of play is safe out from the style of football now .

The Pep effect ?

Will it be Potter /Howe or someone overseas ?

And would the tactics be much different 

[TheCulturalBomb]

10 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

 

Southgate needs to go. Time to change yes

His team selections were poor. No

The team lacked any cohesion or fluidity most of the time. Not all of the time, maybe this tournament but hard to beat

His substitution selections and time he changes things was poor. No got it right 

Tactically nowhere near good enough for this level. A career yes man lucky to be in this job. Outstanding record most teams would be envious of just the final product 

So playing Foden and Bellingham like he was switching between a 10 and on the left, worked? No. 

His selection of Trent in midfield, it worked? No.

He selected Gallagher after Trent in game 3, did it work? No and he was hauled off half time.

Playing Trippier at LB did it work? Arguably no and at the detrement of anything creative coming from the left side. 

Playing Palmer every game off the bench, madness. Not seeing Gordon for more than 1 minute. Not dragging off Kane earlier every game, even selecting him every game despite clearly being off it. Wharton should have been playing over Gallagher but it's okay because we needed 'energy'.

[robin_unreliant]

Southgate has had plenty of chances with a lot of quality players and lucked his way through easy draws to two finals playing boring, defensive football.

Way past time to give someone else a chance to play a less defensive game and see how it goes. Great getting to finals but not by boring us all into submission. Let's enjoy watching England for a change.

[RedRock]

I’m still struggling to understand how our top players performed so badly.

Kane had awful tournament. Was he instructed by Southgate to drop back so far? If the idea was fluidity with either Bellingham, Foden or Saka being the out-ball player it might have good to have told those three that was their job. Kane though just looked woefully unfit and mentally drained throughout. 

Beilligham appeared not just unfit but disinterested too, plus adopted the cheat diving mentality. Bizarre.

Foden tried, but was pretty useless bar a couple of spells.

So these were are supposed match-winners/game changers but had minimal impact. Is it their fault or Southgate’s? I suspect a combination but Southgate needed to change tactics or sub much earlier imo. 

Anyhow, hopefully our next Manager will find a solution to our big player conundrum and will also bring us a trophy, plus entertaining football. 

 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

22 minutes ago, Super said:

It's not even a great Spanish team tbh not many if any would get into the 2012 team. They were the best team and deserving winners.

They were the better team absolutely why I'm pissed off is they were not better than England player for player.

We're an England team setup to play with Burnley tactics with Players drawn from Man City, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern Munich you figure where the problem is.

They naturally want to attack yet they've been coached to defend result is all over the place.

[JAWS]

Did I hear right that it's Southgate's decision whether he continues in the job? Mental if so

[cidercity1987]

English wishlist moving forward

Find a proper CDM, not two 8's in Rice and Mainoo. Wharton may be that man with more experience.

Bench Bellingham and instead play a proper left sided player, be it Grealish / Gordon / Rashford whoever

Kane is coming to the end so hopefully Watkins will step up 

Something like this

Pickford

Trent Stones Guehi Shaw

Wharton Rice

Saka Foden Grealish

Watkins

Building for 2026 where Walker and Trippier may be too old and at least looks a lot more exciting that the play we have endured this tournament 

Edited July 14 by cidercity1987

[Back of the Dolman]

24 minutes ago, ORANGE500 said:

The job is for an Englishman only

I’d like to think that the FA would look to appoint the most suitable candidate regardless of Nationality.

 

 

 

 

[JAWS]

Just now, Back of the Dolman said:

I’d like to think that the FA would look to appoint the most suitable candidate regardless of Nationality.

 

 

 

 

That's just weird

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7 minutes ago, TheCulturalBomb said:

So playing Foden and Bellingham like he was switching between a 10 and on the left, worked? No. 

His selection of Trent in midfield, it worked? No.

He selected Gallagher after Trent in game 3, did it work? No and he was hauled off half time.

Playing Trippier at LB did it work? Arguably no and at the detrement of anything creative coming from the left side. 

Playing Palmer every game off the bench, madness. Not seeing Gordon for more than 1 minute. Not dragging off Kane earlier every game, even selecting him every game despite clearly being off it. Wharton should have been playing over Gallagher but it's okay because we needed 'energy'.

All the superlatives getting rolled out pregame brushed all this under the carpet.  My piss is still boiling I'm thinking I might have to go to the local A&E for a catheter to safely drain the lizard.

Theres a big list of other stuff as well.

[Back of the Dolman]

Just now, JAWS said:

That's just weird

What’s weird ? Thinking the FA might appoint the most suitable candidate or  believing the next manager doesn’t need to be English ?

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2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

English wishlist moving forward

Find a proper CDM, not two 8's in Rice and Mainoo. Wharton may be that man with more experience.

Bench Bellingham and instead play a proper left sided player, be it Grealish / Gordon, whoever

Kane is coming to the end so hopefully Watkins will step up 

Something like this

Pickford

Trent Stones Guehi Shaw

Wharton Rice

Saka Foden Grealish

Watkins

Building for 2026 where Walker and Trippier may be too old and at least looks a lot more exciting that the play we have endured this tournament 

We're so conditioned into using two defensive midfielders now.  It's unbelievable.  I love Trent his set piece is 100 times better than Fodens which was another gripe of mine when they were both on the pitch Foden took all the set pieces.  But he's too fragile at right back.

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1 minute ago, Back of the Dolman said:

What’s weird ? Thinking the FA might appoint the most suitable candidate or  believing the next manager doesn’t need to be English ?

Just can't get my head around the logic that is an England manager should be anything other than English. The clues in the name