Yu Hirakawa - OFFICIALLY SIGNED

[Magicseason]

[petehinton]

Club none the wiser on the injury or its severity says LM.

certainly doesn’t scream just a bruise and he’s okay, as has been fed…

[HoldenBall]

'Definitely doesn't sound just like a bruise according to what's coming out the club unless there is a translation issue with the Japanese medical team. 

[Silvio Dante]

38 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Club none the wiser on the injury or its severity says LM.

certainly doesn’t scream just a bruise and he’s okay, as has been fed…

Yep. Who would have thought that Japanese Football (600 followers) information gleaned from BristolcityJPN (300 followers) information gleaned from Ian Gay (moron) information gleaned from Brian Tinnion (renowned bullshitter) would be incorrect?

Its a shocker to me I tell you.

Anyway, “As I said….”

 

[Silvio Dante]

But BTW can we not use translation as an issue here FFS. The Japanese Olympic team/doctor, if not totally fluent in English themselves, will have translators available, apps available etc etc.

This isn’t 1960. A doctor who speaks one language has multiple ways to communicate effectively with the club, so let’s not say “translation is an issue” as that is just another “Dire had work permit issues due to Brexit” and totally false.

[petehinton]

34 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

But BTW can we not use translation as an issue here FFS. The Japanese Olympic team/doctor, if not totally fluent in English themselves, will have translators available, apps available etc etc.

This isn’t 1960. A doctor who speaks one language has multiple ways to communicate effectively with the club, so let’s not say “translation is an issue” as that is just another “Dire had work permit issues due to Brexit” and totally false.

Aye, reminds me of when LJ blamed jet lag as to why we got spanked by Palace in pre season

[redsquirrel]

Silvio said 'Yep. Who would have thought that Japanese Football (600 followers) information gleaned from BristolcityJPN (300 followers) information gleaned from Ian Gay (moron) information gleaned from Brian Tinnion (renowned bullshitter)'

 

gosh i love your bluntness and so so accurate  

 

 

[1960maaan]

9 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

But BTW can we not use translation as an issue here FFS. The Japanese Olympic team/doctor, if not totally fluent in English themselves, will have translators available, apps available etc etc.

This isn’t 1960. A doctor who speaks one language has multiple ways to communicate effectively with the club, so let’s not say “translation is an issue” as that is just another “Dire had work permit issues due to Brexit” and totally false.

I had nothing to do with it 

[Street red]

9 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Yep. Who would have thought that Japanese Football (600 followers) information gleaned from BristolcityJPN (300 followers) information gleaned from Ian Gay (moron) information gleaned from Brian Tinnion (renowned bullshitter) would be incorrect?

Its a shocker to me I tell you.

Anyway, “As I said….”

 

Are we just a club full of "fibbers" I could use another word and the Japanese can speak better english than most of us 

[GrahamC]

13 hours ago, petehinton said:

Club none the wiser on the injury or its severity says LM.

certainly doesn’t scream just a bruise and he’s okay, as has been fed…

Guy I trust on X who follows Japanese football said he’s been ruled out of their two group games but not the tournament (yet). Quotes an article in Japanese that doesn’t have a translate function.

That version seems both possible & credible.

[The Bard]

21 hours ago, Harry said:

 

 

So Gay has gone from “he’ll be on his way back that’s for sure” to it being “not very serious” and “a decision to be taken soon as to whether he flys back”. 
 

You couldn’t make it up. Well, actually you could. And he did. 

Never met him but he really does come across as an odd individual.   he communicates as if he's some sage.  As you say it's mostly utter bollocks or so obvious there was no point saying it.

Zero insight.

 

[Red-Robbo]

13 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

But BTW can we not use translation as an issue here FFS. The Japanese Olympic team/doctor, if not totally fluent in English themselves, will have translators available, apps available etc etc.

This isn’t 1960. A doctor who speaks one language has multiple ways to communicate effectively with the club, so let’s not say “translation is an issue” as that is just another “Dire had work permit issues due to Brexit” and totally false.

Good point. Although doctors will probably be educated at a high enough level to speak English competently - English being the universal language of the medical profession nowadays - Japanese generally are famously poor at learning foreign languages.

They are the "Brits" of Asia in that respect. 

 

[Denbury Red]

He's not in today's team or on the bench - hopefully this is precautionary rather than the sign of a long term injury?? 

[Graham76]

Don’t worry, he’ll be back in time for Christmas! 

[italian dave]

40 minutes ago, Graham76 said:

Don’t worry, he’ll be back in time for Christmas! 

Which one?

[INCRED]

22 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

But BTW can we not use translation as an issue here FFS. The Japanese Olympic team/doctor, if not totally fluent in English themselves, will have translators available, apps available etc etc.

This isn’t 1960. A doctor who speaks one language has multiple ways to communicate effectively with the club, so let’s not say “translation is an issue” as that is just another “Dire had work permit issues due to Brexit” and totally false.

There’s this thing called google translate - it’s not difficult to translate any language

[INCRED]

10 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Guy I trust on X who follows Japanese football said he’s been ruled out of their two group games but not the tournament (yet). Quotes an article in Japanese that doesn’t have a translate function.

That version seems both possible & credible.

If it’s bruising then it’s on average 7-10 days 

As long as the scan doesn’t show any ligament damage then he should be fine 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

1 hour ago, Graham76 said:

Don’t worry, he’ll be back in time for Christmas! 

I'll be home for Christmas, if only in my dreams. 

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, INCRED said:

There’s this thing called google translate - it’s not difficult to translate any language

Exactly my point.

I have no doubt there is a language barrier (or potential one) on the training pitch. For example, enough English players struggle with instructions like “let it burn” or “miss one” and so on.

 But medically - “ankle ligaments, three weeks rest” is pretty easy to translate and not ambiguous- and this is a medical communication.

It lets the club down tbh, as it’s so easy to deconstruct 

 

[Port Said Red]

17 minutes ago, INCRED said:

If it’s bruising then it’s on average 7-10 days 

As long as the scan doesn’t show any ligament damage then he should be fine 

Google translate is great for telling you how to make everyday conversation, I don't know how good it is at technical medical terms and descriptions.

[joe jordans teeth]

10 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Guy I trust on X who follows Japanese football said he’s been ruled out of their two group games but not the tournament (yet). Quotes an article in Japanese that doesn’t have a translate function.

That version seems both possible & credible.

So he could be injured or he couldn’t is basically what you are saying 

[The Original OTIB]

39 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I'll be home for Christmas, if only in my dreams. 

All I want for Christmas is Yu ...

[Davefevs]

54 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Exactly my point.

I have no doubt there is a language barrier (or potential one) on the training pitch. For example, enough English players struggle with instructions like “let it burn” or “miss one” and so on.

 But medically - “ankle ligaments, three weeks rest” is pretty easy to translate and not ambiguous- and this is a medical communication.

It lets the club down tbh, as it’s so easy to deconstruct 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Portishead Puffin said:

Google translate is great for telling you how to make everyday conversation, I don't know how good it is at technical medical terms and descriptions.

or

[downendcity]

 Latest from Japan.

Translated it says " It's all Tinnion's fault". 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

Exactly my point.

I have no doubt there is a language barrier (or potential one) on the training pitch. For example, enough English players struggle with instructions like “let it burn” or “miss one” and so on.

 But medically - “ankle ligaments, three weeks rest” is pretty easy to translate and not ambiguous- and this is a medical communication.

It lets the club down tbh, as it’s so easy to deconstruct 

 

28 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

or

Not so sure. I have heard his English is decent. And as a young un, with lessons he should pick it up quickly.

Random thought, Japan's equivalent of Gary Lineker is a bloke from Taunton (supports Taunton T) called Ben Mabley. We should hit him up for translation/advice, if we haven't already. 

[Port Said Red]

38 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

or

Which ligament, the  anterior, posterior, talofibular, or the calcaneofibular ligament?

 

[Silvio Dante]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

 

or

As you know mate, both of those are not from the Japanese doctor. My point is that a medical diagnosis is pretty easy to communicate across languages.

There is absolutely no reason for a language barrier in respect of an injury

[Kid in the Riot]

2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

My point is that a medical diagnosis is pretty easy to communicate across languages.

There is absolutely no reason for a language barrier in respect of an injury

Interesting given diagnosis' of injuries can't even be agreed by doctors in Bristol for some of our players injuries over the years.

Japan is an insular country so not necessarily easy to translate. As I said earlier - tap up Ben Mabley! 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Portishead Puffin said:

Which ligament, the  anterior, posterior, talofibular, or the calcaneofibular ligament?

 

[Colemanballs]

5 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

As you know mate, both of those are not from the Japanese doctor. My point is that a medical diagnosis is pretty easy to communicate across languages.

There is absolutely no reason for a language barrier in respect of an injury

Japanese to English translation on Google Translate is much improved but can still be unreliable and produce odd results. I'd be wary of relying on it for something as important as this.

Edited July 28 by Colemanballs

[Silvio Dante]

7 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Interesting given diagnosis' of injuries can't even be agreed by doctors in Bristol for some of our players injuries over the years.

Japan is an insular country so not necessarily easy to translate. As I said earlier - tap up Ben Mabley! 

Agreed - but tbf that’s difference of opinion as opposed to difficulty of communication.

If we trust the Japanese Olympic medical team then it is simply a case of asking what the injury and prognosis is - whether that’s BM telling us the translation or someone else. Ultimately we’ve just negotiated a transfer deal with the language barrier in place, so asking a doctor what’s up with the player seems far simpler…

[Port Said Red]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Although I can speak some Cantonese I have never got to grips with Kanji ( the ideograms that are common to both languages). I think that's the top section which is read top to bottom and right to left. The other two parts are hiragana and katakana. Presumably the most useful part of this translation is the katakana which is the written language using western style language at the bottom, which was developed to explain what foreign words mean in Japanese. 

From what I understand though you need a combination of all three to get the full meaning, and for all I know it might be saying "can you confirm his foot is still in the right place?" One way to test it would be to put all those characters into another translator and see what comes back in English.

But I am sure it's fine because OTIB has an abiding trust in AI translation and knows that all this stuff is dead easy and the club are lying to us for reasons I haven't quite got to the bottom of yet. 

 

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, Portishead Puffin said:

But I am sure it's fine because OTIB has an abiding trust in AI translation and knows that all this stuff is dead easy and the club are lying to us for reasons I haven't quite got to the bottom of yet. 

 

Agreed, there is no reason for the club to lie. If Liam (who comes across as one of the more trustworthy people we have at the club) says the translation is causing a problem then I'm inclined to believe him. Unfortunately, inaccuracies/lies/complete and utter bollocks stated by others on stuff like expectations, deconditioning, work permits and the like affects the way people see club communications.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

12 minutes ago, Portishead Puffin said:

Although I can speak some Cantonese I have never got to grips with Kanji ( the ideograms that are common to both languages). I think that's the top section which is read top to bottom and right to left. The other two parts are hiragana and katakana. Presumably the most useful part of this translation is the katakana which is the written language using western style language at the bottom, which was developed to explain what foreign words mean in Japanese. 

From what I understand though you need a combination of all three to get the full meaning, and for all I know it might be saying "can you confirm his foot is still in the right place?" One way to test it would be to put all those characters into another translator and see what comes back in English.

But I am sure it's fine because OTIB has an abiding trust in AI translation and knows that all this stuff is dead easy and the club are lying to us for reasons I haven't quite got to the bottom of yet. 

 

Because that is what the club do.

[Henry]

Surely as he is on loan to us, his parent club are the ones who need to decide how his treatment is handled?

[Bar BS3]

14 minutes ago, Henry said:

Surely as he is on loan to us, his parent club are the ones who need to decide how his treatment is handled?

You'd think that would be the case - no different from when any domestic loan gets seriously injured & returns to their parent club.

If it's just bruising, I'd expect him to stay with us - if it's more serious & needs rehabilitation, I'd expect him to go back to Japan for that.

[M.D]

12 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

You'd think that would be the case - no different from when any domestic loan gets seriously injured & returns to their parent club.

If it's just bruising, I'd expect him to stay with us - if it's more serious & needs rehabilitation, I'd expect him to go back to Japan for that.

If it is more serious, I would think it would be better if he went back to Japan as he will have a better support network there..

[extonsred]

If he was badly injured he'd be back by now surely!!

[Bar BS3]

1 minute ago, extonsred said:

If he was badly injured he'd be back by now surely!!

I wouldn't have thought the swelling from snow impact like that will have gone yet, which I believe makes scans difficult to read accurately - so I'd think there's every chance nobody actually knows the extent of things yet. 

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, Portishead Puffin said:

Although I can speak some Cantonese I have never got to grips with Kanji ( the ideograms that are common to both languages). I think that's the top section which is read top to bottom and right to left. The other two parts are hiragana and katakana. Presumably the most useful part of this translation is the katakana which is the written language using western style language at the bottom, which was developed to explain what foreign words mean in Japanese. 

From what I understand though you need a combination of all three to get the full meaning, and for all I know it might be saying "can you confirm his foot is still in the right place?" One way to test it would be to put all those characters into another translator and see what comes back in English.

But I am sure it's fine because OTIB has an abiding trust in AI translation and knows that all this stuff is dead easy and the club are lying to us for reasons I haven't quite got to the bottom of yet. 

 

It’s all Greek to me!

[Red-Robbo]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s all Greek to me!

Ah, that would be his Achilles Tendon then... 

[Port Said Red]

Just now, Red-Robbo said:

Ah, that would be his Achilles Tendon then... 

[Port Said Red]

11 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Interesting given diagnosis' of injuries can't even be agreed by doctors in Bristol for some of our players injuries over the years.

Japan is an insular country so not necessarily easy to translate. As I said earlier - tap up Ben Mabley! 

If Yu is successful and we want to continue working in that market, you're right, we would look a far better prospect for other Japanese players if we can show we have structure in place to help them acclimatise. Even little things like food choices, (look at the Portugal videos where he is scanning the buffet for something familiar ) accommodation and so on can seem so alien. 

If we want to be taken seriously over there we need to take the whole process seriously.

@Silvio Dante , I was only being partly facetious about the translation thing, but I don't quite understand why you think the club would need to hide behind that as an issue.

I could understand it more if your point was, as I alluded to above, look how badly we are prepared as a club to communicate with a player that we have presumably paid a lot of money for, and his representatives. That is something that definitely needs to discussed.

 

[downendcity]

Ancient Samurai saying.

" When new signing is injured hope for the best, but fear the worst".

 

 

[phantom]

On 28/07/2024 at 13:28, downendcity said:

Ancient Samurai saying.

" When new signing is injured hope for the best, but fear the worst".

Sadly sounds like a new update is not the news we wanted to hear

[cidercity]

What is the new update.....

[mozo]

31 minutes ago, cidercity said:

What is the new update.....

Good question! 5 days ago, we were waiting for an update. Not heard anything since

[Chivs]

24 minutes ago, City Slicker said:

The update is that there isn't an update. I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing. 

No news is... 

[Taz]

It would be the most typical Bristol City thing ever for our new signing to be injured before even kicking a ball in anger for the first team.....

[The Original OTIB]

2 minutes ago, Taz said:

It would be the most typical Bristol City thing ever for our new signing to be injured before even kicking a ball in anger for the first team.....

I raise you Andrius Velička, minutes after kicking a ball for the first time.

[Major Isewater]

12 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

I raise you Andrius Velička, minutes after kicking a ball for the first time.

Or George Elokobi . 

Just now, Major Isewater said:

Or George Elokobi . 

Or Danni Rodrigues . 

[Nogbad the Bad]

13 minutes ago, Taz said:

It would be the most typical Bristol City thing ever for our new signing to be injured before even kicking a ball in anger for the first team.....

We know he's injured, it's just how badly.

Still waiting for @phantom to expand on his comment above.

[chinapig]

10 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Or George Elokobi . 

Or Danni Rodrigues . 

Or Sam Vokes.

[MarcusX]

On 28/07/2024 at 08:18, Numero Uno said:

Agreed, there is no reason for the club to lie. If Liam (who comes across as one of the more trustworthy people we have at the club) says the translation is causing a problem then I'm inclined to believe him. Unfortunately, inaccuracies/lies/complete and utter bollocks stated by others on stuff like expectations, deconditioning, work permits and the like affects the way people see club communications.

Wasn’t it Liam who said Mabude had visa issues that were proven false?

[Numero Uno]

1 minute ago, MarcusX said:

Wasn’t it Liam who said Mabude had visa issues that were proven false?

I thought it was someone else above Liam.

[phantom]

32 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

We know he's injured, it's just how badly.

Still waiting for @phantom to expand on his comment above.

Put it this way we won't be seeing him play for a while

[Mr Popodopolous]

Months not weeks?

Hopefully weeks not months but the injury looked a bad one.

[downendcity]

57 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said:

I raise you Andrius Velička, minutes after kicking a ball for the first time.

 

45 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Or George Elokobi . 

Or Danni Rodrigues . 

 

34 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Or Sam Vokes.

It's lucky that we haven't got a history of this happening .

[TammyAB]

22 players were on that pitch and who was crocked? Oh yeah our bloke

[MarcusX]

21 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I thought it was someone else above Liam.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/liam-manning-believes-belgian-struggles-9078769.amp
 

Quote was attributed to Liam here but possibly info he was given from someone else?

[Red-Robbo]

If it's a hamstring they can take up to 6 weeks to settle (if the injury was large). 

[Lew-T]

18 minutes ago, phantom said:

Put it this way we won't be seeing him play for a while

Can you just tell us how long? If you know more than we do.

[Numero Uno]

2 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/liam-manning-believes-belgian-struggles-9078769.amp
 

Quote was attributed to Liam here but possibly info he was given from someone else?

I would think so tbh. He wouldn't be involved in negotiations and sounds like he was passing on duff information.

[Hartleysbeard]

14 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Can you just tell us how long? If you know more than we do.

That would be useful wouldn’t it. Rather than the ‘I know but I’m not telling you’ approach. 

[Port Said Red]

43 minutes ago, phantom said:

Put it this way we won't be seeing him play for a while

Similar to Nakhi's ankle injury last season? How long was he out?

[Mr Popodopolous]

27 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Can you just tell us how long? If you know more than we do.

 

11 minutes ago, Hartleysbeard said:

That would be useful wouldn’t it. Rather than the ‘I know but I’m not telling you’ approach. 

While I tend to agree, unless you're Ian with Tinnion- compromising sources by revealing more than is permitted could see the source dry up, the source get in trouble internally or both.

Basic journalism principles applied here. @phantom appears to be able to reveal up to a certain point but not beyond potentially.

[Hartleysbeard]

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

 

While I tend to agree, unless you're Ian with Tinnion- compromising sources by revealing more than is permitted could see the source dry up, the source get in trouble internally or both.

Basic journalism principles applied here. @phantom appears to be able to reveal up to a certain point but not beyond potentially.

I do accept that may be the case. It’s no less frustrating all the same. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 minutes ago, Hartleysbeard said:

I do accept that may be the case. It’s no less frustrating all the same. 

Agreed.

The lack of comms by the club or the erratic by the club doesn't help at all. Ian as a conduit for assorted info is unprofessional and dysfunctional in the extreme.

[BCFC31]

So basically no one has a clue even the lad pretending his does? Classic 

[Hartleysbeard]

Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

Agreed.

The lack of comms by the club or the erratic by the club doesn't help at all. Ian as a conduit for assorted info is unprofessional and dysfunctional in the extreme.

I find it incredibly difficult to understand why there’s been nothing definitive announced yet. You’d expect for him to have been properly assessed by now.