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1 hour ago, phantom said:

I was told that he hurt his back picking up his new born child 

I thought I would let someone else leak that information. :) I did suggest a Safe Manual Handling course and ask just how heavy the baby was. :) 

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2 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Nige did a lot of good things but this was by far his worst piece of business. It’s Steve Jones all over again. 

I genuinely think that window of Cornick and Mehmeti set us back massively 

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Just now, Shauntaylor85 said:

Exactly. Steve Jones 400K replaced £3.5M Akinbiyi (as Pulis pointed out as a dig at the board) 

Pulis spent an absolute fortune on shite.

Jones at £425k was just the worst of many.

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I want to word this carefully but I don’t see what his best position is. Surely it’s not left wing because he’s been used there lots of times and I can’t recall him ever being consistent there ..

I’d have brought on Anis instead as he understands that role better . 
 

is he surplus to requirements now when everyone fit ?

 

 

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I've tried to be patient with Cornick, but I really hope we can flog him before the end of the month. I just don't see what he adds to the team, he doesn't score, doesn't create, hasn't got any pace... Been a disastrous signing to be blunt.

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1 minute ago, petehinton said:

Was really good when he came on. Had a better game than Sykes that’s for sure. But that won’t fit the narrative!

But that is meaningless set against club’s target of top six.  Neither cut the custard

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This won’t be popular…. But Cornick did his best work (and scored/was a main stay @ this level for Luton) when playing alongside a “big man”. 
 

Yes- his time here has been poor, no question. But we’re yet to actually play to his strengths. 
Right wing, left wing etc- that’s not his “game”. 
 

I actually thought he was ok tonight (low bar obviously) and I think him alongside a Fally/Sinclair would be where we see something more from him. 
 

That being said- LM won’t play 2 up top, so no doubt he will move on. 

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4 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Was really good when he came on. Had a better game than Sykes that’s for sure. But that won’t fit the narrative!

Cornick? No narrative here... but please tell me what I'm missing?

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Just now, petehinton said:

Who in our squad does?

A very good point.  Interestingly in this context no bids received for any of our squad save Conway, and none for him from a higher league.  Also, None for, imo, overhyped Vyner and Pring

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Just now, RedJim said:

Cornick? No narrative here... but please tell me what I'm missing?

Won every header, few excellent bits of build up play, really good drive centrally to set up Sykes for his one on one. 

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1 minute ago, ohhhshauntaylor said:

This won’t be popular…. But Cornick did his best work (and scored/was a main stay @ this level for Luton) when playing alongside a “big man”. 
 

Yes- his time here has been poor, no question. But we’re yet to actually play to his strengths. 
Right wing, left wing etc- that’s not his “game”. 
 

I actually thought he was ok tonight (low bar obviously) and I think him alongside a Fally/Sinclair would be where we see something more from him. 
 

That being said- LM won’t play 2 up top, so no doubt he will move on. 

Exactly this, typical City, bring a player in but don't actually play them to their strengths. Cornick is not a wide player, he'll have a go, but if you watch him he's always got a tendency to go inside when off the ball or looking for a return pass.

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1 minute ago, petehinton said:

Won every header, few excellent bits of build up play, really good drive centrally to set up Sykes for his one on one. 

Fair enough - different points of view, no problem with that. To me he looks laboured and clumsy. I do remember the bit where he set up Sykes, but that's the only positive contribution I could remember of note.

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10 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Won every header, few excellent bits of build up play, really good drive centrally to set up Sykes for his one on one. 

He was often winning headers unchallenged, in acres of space, just to flick it on to no one. Not the sense to try and control the ball and lay it off.

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49 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

But that is meaningless set against club’s target of top six.  Neither cut the custard

How do you cut the custard????

Don't you mean cut the mustard?

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54 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Won every header, few excellent bits of build up play, really good drive centrally to set up Sykes for his one on one. 

What game were you watching? I thought Cornick was clumsy and ran around like a headless chicken. He’s nowhere near good enough at this level. 

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Surely it’s in both the club’s and his best interests to move him on now. With the incoming signings and once all players available and fit, it’s hard to see him making the bench. 
Odd to see him come on when Mehmeti would have been a better threat down the left. Yes, he worked hard but he looks short on confidence to me and not helped by playing him out of position. 

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7 hours ago, phantom said:

I was told that he hurt his back picking up his new born child 

Yeh, your hilarious... 

Our fanbase is embarrassing at times..

Why would any player give a toss about playing for the badge when we have fans taking the piss out of them for having a new born..

Fans may not think hes good enough to play at this level but what about the rest of the players? Why is cornick singled out? 

Id be gutted if i was him, literally left luton who got promoted to the prem for us, to be treated like a scapegoat, what about the rest of our attack? 

 

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5 hours ago, MythikRobins said:

I don't even think he was actually that poor today to get his own thread. Where's the Williams, Sykes and TGH thread?

I started this thread well before kick off making an observation on his lack of involvement during the first couple of games. Nothing to do with how he played once he came on.

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Cornick was a cheap buy to bulk up the squad and in fairness has served us well when players have been injured, his availability has been good compared to most others, can also offer something different when team has run out of ideas as Nige noted

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25 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

Cornick was a cheap buy to bulk up the squad and in fairness has served us well when better players have been injured, his availability has been good compared to most others, can also offer something different when he has run out of ideas as Nige noted

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9 hours ago, petehinton said:

Won every header, few excellent bits of build up play, really good drive centrally to set up Sykes for his one on one. 

Agreed, I actually thought he was one of our better players tonight, Linked well, passed well, retained the ball well, pressed well, protected Roberts. Sykes messed the chance up by taking a touch and Cornick was one of only a few to play a pass into the running lane of a teammate all night. 

The inability, like with a certain podcasts obsession with Naismith being a "liability", of people to change their mind or not become wedded to their initial judgement is the worst thing about modern culture. 

 

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I think everyone likes Harry and he’s developed into something of a cult hero. However, he should be no where near the team as just not good enough.  Got better last night but sometimes the pure basics of being a footballer at this level just aren’t there.

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We've never got the most out of Cornick, with a run of games he's plenty good enough for this level, as proven when scoring against us and other for Luton. His finish for us against Southampton, on the run showed the qualities he does have. Funnily enough, I think he'd be good in the number 10 role. He doesn't have that natural footballer look to him, but he can still be effective is used correctly.

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On 13/08/2024 at 22:14, ohhhshauntaylor said:

This won’t be popular…. But Cornick did his best work (and scored/was a main stay @ this level for Luton) when playing alongside a “big man”. 
 

Yes- his time here has been poor, no question. But we’re yet to actually play to his strengths. 
Right wing, left wing etc- that’s not his “game”. 
 

I actually thought he was ok tonight (low bar obviously) and I think him alongside a Fally/Sinclair would be where we see something more from him. 
 

That being said- LM won’t play 2 up top, so no doubt he will move on. 

I agree but needing to play next to a very specific type of player makes him limited. He's a player who has basically had one very good season in his career but at City is just dead wood. I'd rather see one of our young lads get given bench space than him. Don't hate the guy at all and he has his attributes, but it hasn't worked out here and it's time to cut our losses. 

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I might be imagining this, but I have a feeling when he signed the Club stated something to the effect that we were going to develop him into a new role/position.

My heart sunk. Not quite as low as when we say we’re buying a ‘utility player’ who can play in multiple positions (TGH anyone?), but pretty low.

And so it has come to pass. Another massive Club failure.

How many times do we have to repeat the same mistake before we realise the Championship is an unforgiving league. Unless you buy a truly exceptional player - way out of our price range - you buy a specialist for one position. Don’t mess around with him, just let him develop his established role and be Championship competent.  

Harry is not a winger, anyone can see he ain’t got the attributes to be a Championship quality wide player. Amateurish management and recruitment. 

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On 14/08/2024 at 00:24, BCFC31 said:

The bloke is absolute dog shit offers up nothing what so ever!! Problem is I can't see anyone wanting to pay his wages so he will probably just run his contract down. 

To be fair, with what you’ve written, I couldn’t tell whether you were talking about Cornick, Bell or Mehmeti. They all offer very little. 

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22 hours ago, Shuffle said:

I think everyone likes Harry and he’s developed into something of a cult hero. However, he should be no where near the team as just not good enough.  Got better last night but sometimes the pure basics of being a footballer at this level just aren’t there.

I don’t think they do. Some of what I read looks like pure hatred. Embarrassing.

I like him and he was worth adding to our squad at the time but he’s not really what we need right now. 

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9 minutes ago, David Brent said:

I don’t think they do. Some of what I read looks like pure hatred. Embarrassing.

I like him and he was worth adding to our squad at the time but he’s not really what we need right now. 

Liking someone & 'are they good enough for the job? - not connected.

I like him- seems a thoroughly decent fella & well liked by the group - however, imo he's not been up to what we have needed on the pitch from day one.

For that you have to question recruitment - not Harry.

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37 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Liking someone & 'are they good enough for the job? - not connected.

I like him- seems a thoroughly decent fella & well liked by the group - however, imo he's not been up to what we have needed on the pitch from day one.

For that you have to question recruitment - not Harry.

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On 13/08/2024 at 21:58, GrahamC said:

Pulis spent an absolute fortune on shite.

Jones at £425k was just the worst of many.

He wasn’t all bad. He had a very nice sun tan 

On 14/08/2024 at 00:24, BCFC31 said:

The bloke is absolute dog shit offers up nothing what so ever!! Problem is I can't see anyone wanting to pay his wages so he will probably just run his contract down. 

Don’t beat about the bush. Tell us what you really think 

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On 13/08/2024 at 22:17, marksy said:

Having watched him tonight I couldn’t care less if he never played for us again. 
 

 

On 13/08/2024 at 22:18, Lakeside Red said:

Needs to be moved on now

 

On 13/08/2024 at 22:28, Henry said:

He was often winning headers unchallenged, in acres of space, just to flick it on to no one. Not the sense to try and control the ball and lay it off.

 

On 13/08/2024 at 23:19, Graham76 said:

What game were you watching? I thought Cornick was clumsy and ran around like a headless chicken. He’s nowhere near good enough at this level. 

 

On 14/08/2024 at 00:24, BCFC31 said:

The bloke is absolute dog shit offers up nothing what so ever!! Problem is I can't see anyone wanting to pay his wages so he will probably just run his contract down. 

 

On 14/08/2024 at 08:19, Super said:

Probably says it all that i forgot he was on the pitch. 

There in a nutshell is an OTIB agenda!

I don't particularly rate the bloke but my word lots (Bell, Mehmeti, Williams, TGH and Sykes at least) were worse than him Tuesday!

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2 hours ago, frenchred said:

 

 

 

 

 

There in a nutshell is an OTIB agenda!

I don't particularly rate the bloke but my word lots (Bell, Mehmeti, Williams, TGH and Sykes at least) were worse than him Tuesday!

I don’t agree with that at all. Also, the bloke has been here for a while now and has failed to impress. 
Poor signing and I think there’s better youngsters at the club who should have been given a run out instead of him. 

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3 hours ago, frenchred said:

 

 

 

 

 

There in a nutshell is an OTIB agenda!

I don't particularly rate the bloke but my word lots (Bell, Mehmeti, Williams, TGH and Sykes at least) were worse than him Tuesday!

People are clearly not just judging cornick on Tuesdays performance though are they... so I'm not sure what your point is ? Cornick has had lots of games for us and he's been crap in every single one.

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On 14/08/2024 at 03:02, prankerd said:

Yeh, your hilarious... 

Our fanbase is embarrassing at times..

Why would any player give a toss about playing for the badge when we have fans taking the piss out of them for having a new born..

Fans may not think hes good enough to play at this level but what about the rest of the players? Why is cornick singled out? 

Id be gutted if i was him, literally left luton who got promoted to the prem for us, to be treated like a scapegoat, what about the rest of our attack? 

 

Why the sarcasm?  It's a fact, at least as far as the quotes I've seen attributed to the manager are concerned, that he did put his back out picking up his new baby. 

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56 minutes ago, mozo said:

I do think he's at risk of playing much of his season in the U21s when Hirakawa, Earthy and potential new wide player are in the squad. He's behind Bell and Sykes.

Bell ain’t a winger, imo. Needs to be used as a striking option but don’t think he’d suit the line striking position we are playing , similar to Conway. 

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12 minutes ago, BCFC31 said:

People are clearly not just judging cornick on Tuesdays performance though are they... so I'm not sure what your point is ? Cornick has had lots of games for us and he's been crap in every single one.

Simply not true!

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1 hour ago, marksy said:

I don’t agree with that at all. Also, the bloke has been here for a while now and has failed to impress. 
Poor signing and I think there’s better youngsters at the club who should have been given a run out instead of him. 

Who are these better youngsters you speak of that we could have used on Tuesday night?

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On 13/08/2024 at 21:54, BobBobBobbin said:

a £300k replacement for a £10m winger.

context is everything

Agreed, but in that case, why sign him at all? A loan til the end of the season to see us through might have been a better option. Or signing no one at all, rather than committing to a decent sized contract for a number of years!

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