Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) Getting a lot of backing here, by which I mean a mix of players and autonomy. Edited August 22 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 47 minutes ago, RedRoss said: This is on the Birmingham forum from last night A big critic of their forum is the font size. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Getting a lot of backing here, pressure should be on a bit. Can be both. Since the Earthy and Twine signings, my expectations of par this season have gone up. Not hugely, but enough. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, Harry said: I’d surmise that Tinnion had already wrapped it up and Liam had no say. I said from day 1 that TGH would not suit Manning so I always thought it was not his doing The Exiled Robin has tweeted something similar, it was already far down the line and maybe Manning as the new man signed off on it without being overly convinced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 52 minutes ago, Kibs said: Yeah, that’s the impression I got too. Suspect TGH has also looked at what’s in front of him and thought he isn’t getting too many starts this season unless we have an injury crisis and just wants to play. Bit like the guy we got from FGR . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 56 minutes ago, Jose said: … where the hell was this level of backing under the previous PROVEN manager? Please, not again. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Getting a lot of backing here, pressure should be on a bit. Agreed. Not just the level of backing, but the short-termism of some of it (e.g. sending Stokes on loan, bringing in Earthy), and the fact that Manning hasn't really had to lose any key players in order to fund it (arguably Conway, though it seems we wanted a new 9 anyway). I think expectations should probably be increased accordingly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: Agreed. Not just the level of backing, but the short-termism of some of it (e.g. sending Stokes on loan, bringing in Earthy), and the fact that Manning hasn't really had to lose any key players in order to fund it (arguably Conway, though it seems we wanted a new 9 anyway). I think expectations should probably be increased accordingly. here they go . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westonred Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 12 minutes ago, Harry said: I’d surmise that Tinnion had already wrapped it up and Liam had no say. I said from day 1 that TGH would not suit Manning so I always thought it was not his doing Like the MA /LJ days when MA would go out and get players in that LJ didnt want 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Please, not again. Unlike you Rudolf... 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Can be both. Since the Earthy and Twine signings, my expectations of par this season have gone up. Not hugely, but enough. Agreed. 3 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: Agreed. Not just the level of backing, but the short-termism of some of it (e.g. sending Stokes on loan, bringing in Earthy), and the fact that Manning hasn't really had to lose any key players in order to fund it (arguably Conway, though it seems we wanted a new 9 anyway). I think expectations should probably be increased accordingly. Agreed. I've realigned mine to 10th and above now..perhaps as high as 8th, finishing lower than 11th would in most circs be an absolute fail. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Agreed. Agreed. I've realigned mine to 10th and above now..perhaps as high as 8th, finishing lower than 11th would in most circs be an absolute fail. As I said on the OSIB spaces on Sunday, you can finish 11th and closer to the playoffs in one season, than finishing 10th. So context is everything. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 35 minutes ago, Davefevs said: More, why did he sign him permanently in January, not why is he letting him go now. Now makes sense. He isn't the only decision maker in the process. And I STILL don't buy the "final say" line 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HengroveReds Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Oxford like a feeder club, similar to Bournemouth. atmosphere at there place will be interesting when we play them, would assume they’d sell the Atyeo out too. McGuane a good fit, at Oxford since 2020 so played with the likes of Sykes, Dickie, Atkinson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TammyAB Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, HengroveReds said: Oxford like a feeder club, similar to Bournemouth. atmosphere at there place will be interesting when we play them, would assume they’d sell the Atyeo out too. McGuane a good fit, at Oxford since 2020 so played with the likes of Sykes, Dickie, Atkinson We just need to sign McNally too to really take the piss 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 With so many players with an Irish connection, I hope we also get the "luck of the Irish". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 33 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: He isn't the only decision maker in the process. Indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Here's George Elek's comments on the move - as a NTT20 host and Oxford fan, he's probably about as good a person as you could ask. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I'm not especially enthused by this one but we shall see. As cover maybe, perhaps lower wages than TGH but...is he better than what we have is a key metric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I'm not especially enthused by this one but we shall see. As cover maybe, perhaps lower wages than TGH but...is he better than what we have is a key metric? Is he better than TGH in Manning's system? One would assume so. If he's on lower wages than TGH and we recoup our fee then it seems a low risk transfer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, KegCity said: Is he better than TGH in Manning's system? One would assume so. If he's on lower wages than TGH and we recoup our fee then it seems a low risk transfer. System and set-up do play a role for player effectiveness yeah. What would he be, 3rd or 4th choice perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Maybe it's just good business, get a player that is a known quantity to the coach for a small fee in the last year of his deal and sell a fringe player for a decent fee since he's just signed a new contract? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: System and set-up do play a role for player effectiveness yeah. What would he be, 3rd or 4th choice perhaps? I'd assume he'd be a squad player like TGH but no way of knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Please, not again. Why not? It a valid question that has still not been answered by those responsible. Even though we know the answer. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I have a friend who is an Oxford ST holder. When Liam Manning first joined us, McGuane was the number one player he was worried about being poached by us. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyjimmy Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Got to say, the recruitment been spot on so far this summer. Lucky to have the structure in place. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythikRobins Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Manning wants different profiles and this is a certainly a profile we were lacking. I don’t mind it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 LM gets in someone he knows, replacing someone that isn’t his own. Seems more like a trade in some ways between 3 clubs that gives LM another chance to build his squad, good to see him backed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 minutes ago, Superjack said: Why not? It a valid question that has still not been answered by those responsible. Because it’s been done to death so many times and has derailed so many threads. “Those responsible” are never going to give an answer. 4 minutes ago, Superjack said: Even though we know the answer. There you go then. So why ask the question - again? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobBobbin Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, Nugget said: LM gets in someone he knows, replacing someone that isn’t his own. Seems more like a trade in some ways between 3 clubs that gives LM another chance to build his squad, good to see him backed he is his own, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mozo Posted August 22 Popular Post Share Posted August 22 Just now, Rudolf Hucker said: Because it’s been done to death so many times and has derailed so many threads. “Those responsible” are never going to give an answer. There you go then. So why ask the question - again? We probably need a 'Still Pissed Off About Nige" master thread for people air their grievances in a safe space without clogging up every other thread. 21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, mozo said: We probably need a 'Still Pissed Off About Nige" master thread for people air their grievances in a safe space without clogging up every other thread. So what is your post then ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Mods - can you please delete these NP posts, just clogs up thread after thread ? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 18 minutes ago, Superjack said: Why not? It a valid question that has still not been answered by those responsible. Even though we know the answer. It never will, fella. Which is why we need to "move on". You know that. I know that. But it'll annoy the heck out of us for a long while yet. That's life. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobBobbin Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 8 minutes ago, mozo said: We probably need a 'Still Pissed Off About Nige" master thread for people air their grievances in a safe space without clogging up every other thread. Alternative view: Those responsible want people to get bored and shut up and actually context and bigger picture discussions are much more important than focussing solely on the here and now. How we got to this point is relevant. 1 minute ago, bcfc01 said: Mods - can you please delete these NP posts, just clogs up thread after thread ? Mods, can we please delete there posts moaning about people applying context to a thread and not actually contributing anything whatsoever? 6 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think he just wants someone more suitable than TGH to be an option. Which makes you wonder why LM signed him? I don’t mind TGH tbh, I know lots on here don’t. But I assume you are referring to Williams, who you don’t rate / like? No, I don't mind TGH either, but for some reason he hasn't given LM what he needs. I think we will find that he just hasn't settled in the area and maybe his mind has been elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 17 minutes ago, Jimmyjimmy said: Got to say, the recruitment been spot on so far this summer. Lucky to have the structure in place. Thanks Mrs tinnion . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Is McGuane a player who will improve us? Push us on. Is the aim/goal Top 10 or Top 6. Forget managers, the overall Club Strategic Plan seems questionable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Is McGuane a player who will improve us? Push us on. Is the aim/goal Top 10 or Top 6. Forget managers, the overall Club Strategic Plan seems questionable. I suspect the main driver to this deal is financial gain as much as improving the squad, we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Is McGuane a player who will improve us? Push us on. Is the aim/goal Top 10 or Top 6. Forget managers, the overall Club Strategic Plan seems questionable. Well the Oxford forum is not that bothered about him going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtongreight Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 hours ago, Rocky said: The one TGH scored for us was pretty tasty mind 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 4 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said: Well the Oxford forum is not that bothered about him going. Has anyone said "I'll drive him there meself" yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 14 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I suspect the main driver to this deal is financial gain as much as improving the squad, we'll see. Out of interest, where do you see the financial gain in this deal? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MythikRobins Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 18 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Is McGuane a player who will improve us? Push us on. Is the aim/goal Top 10 or Top 6. Forget managers, the overall Club Strategic Plan seems questionable. Hes probably gonna be better for Manning than TGH is. So he probably does improve us yes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 57 minutes ago, KegCity said: I'd assume he'd be a squad player like TGH but no way of knowing. Apparently sits in front of back four and plays from there and quite a good passer If LM wanted to push Bird further forward and play him and Twine closer to the striker then I’m all for that as McGuane & Knight would be a good defensive midfield pairing Bit out of the blue this one but I can see why Manning would want him at City 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I see the concept of a squad, rotation and options still hasn't quite caught on with a few people. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I know little about this guy, hadn’t even heard of him until today! This won’t stop me having an opinion though Doesn’t strike me as a player anyone with any real promotion ambition would be signing. But also get that Bird and Knight will be the preferred pairing with Williams rotated in when needed. Therefore we need someone for those just in case moments, someone happy with being a bit part player but enough quality to step in when there are injuries, suspensions, seeing out the last 10 mins of a game etc… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 7 minutes ago, Northern Red said: I see the concept of a squad, rotation and options still hasn't quite caught on with a few people. If McGuane is an upgrade on TGH weighted for age, experience, cost and attributes, that holds. If not then it seems a bit pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 12 minutes ago, MythikRobins said: Hes probably gonna be better for Manning than TGH is. So he probably does improve us yes. Will we be comparing like with like or? By which I mean.. Williams Knight Bird Vs Knight TGH Wells That is a fundamentally different profile and dynamic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: If McGuane is an upgrade on TGH weighted for age, experience, cost and attributes, that holds. If not then it seems a bit pointless. All that really matters Mr P is the outcome. Will this new look squad bring improved results across the season? Let's see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 32 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I suspect the main driver to this deal is financial gain as much as improving the squad, we'll see. I don’t think so personally . I think it’s more , one player suits style of play over the other . Can’t see there would be much difference financially 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 If it’s technically a swap deal for TGH (who since WHU in the cup has been poor) then it’s understandable. TGH wasn’t a Manning signing, maybe the club got a good deal to bring him in on a perm knowing we could cash in if needed. He doesn’t suit the way we play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly in the air Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 what is the fee for the Oxford lad or is it a free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, mozo said: All that really matters Mr P is the outcome. Will this new look squad bring improved results across the season? Let's see. He is being backed so I'm expecting it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Out of interest, where do you see the financial gain in this deal? I'm just speculating given the contractual situation of the two players, as I said we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 22 minutes ago, INCRED said: Apparently sits in front of back four and plays from there and quite a good passer If LM wanted to push Bird further forward and play him and Twine closer to the striker then I’m all for that as McGuane & Knight would be a good defensive midfield pairing Bit out of the blue this one but I can see why Manning would want him at City How will it look then. Knight and one of Williams or McGuane With Bird in front? Yu, Earthy, Twine...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 I’ve linked to this article a few times - it’s the views of MK and Oxford fans when LM was appointed. The reason for the link here is that it has the always vfm George Elek giving views on McGuane: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/liam-mannings-lessons-mk-dons-8897745 Key paragraph is below, and I remember saying having read the article (and seen McGuane in the 5-1) that it piqued my interest in signing him - see this thread: As I said on the TGH thread, no major objection to the outgoing or incoming - just creates a bit of an oddity angle to the initial signing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: How will it look then. Knight and one of Williams or McGuane With Bird in front? Yu, Earthy, Twine...? It’s a squad game, we’ll have options. That is all that matters. If some players don’t get the minutes they want, then LM will need to deal with them. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollsRoyce Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 49 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Mods - can you please delete these NP posts, just clogs up thread after thread ? It is opinion . Not yours , but it is opinion. What next a thread for all the posts clogging up each thread with myopic head in the sand posts ? The posts will change with time and evolve . Just as with LJ . Just because you do not agree is not a reason to delete posts . That’s life on a forum and we do not need the opinion police facism . 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 if Manning doesn’t like TGH and can get this guy in for a similar price I don’t mind it. Just wondering when it becomes one to many signings iykwim. Don’t want anything damaging the culture and atmosphere around the squad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said: It is opinion . Not yours , but it is opinion. What next a thread for all the posts clogging up each thread with myopic head in the sand posts ? The posts will change with time and evolve . Just as with LJ . Just because you do not agree is not a reason to delete posts . That’s life on a forum and we do not need the opinion police facism . Exactly. The wanting to block non offensive views is odd. I get an optimism bias but censorship of that is ridiculous and frankly smacks of Forced Jollity too. Edited August 22 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s a squad game, we’ll have options. That is all that matters. If some players don’t get the minutes they want, then LM will need to deal with them. I get that, the small bit of query I'd have is if we've promised X to West Ham in terms of Earthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC1959 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: And I STILL don't buy the "final say" line Of course not! Think it means Manning saying - "I agree Brian" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 24 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s a squad game, we’ll have options. That is all that matters. If some players don’t get the minutes they want, then LM will need to deal with them. Indeed. The obsession with ‘first XI’ will continue though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I get that, the small bit of query I'd have is if we've promised X to West Ham in terms of Earthy. Don't think McGuarne changes this; Earthy is battling with Twine for the "10" & perhaps with Anis/Sykes for a wide forward place. McG seems to be more of an all round midfielder, strong on the ball, but decent passing too. I'd be lying if I claimed it all makes sense to me as we could have left centre mid as as was. As long as it doesn't a) impact FFP or b) hit squad morale, any squad improvement is a good thing I guess, but only time will show if this represents squad improvement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, TDarwall said: Don't think McGuarne changes this; Earthy is battling with Twine for the "10" & perhaps with Anis/Sykes for a wide forward place. McG seems to be more of an all round midfielder, strong on the ball, but decent passing too. I'd be lying if I claimed it all makes sense to me as we could have left centre mid as as was. As long as it doesn't a) impact FFP or b) hit squad morale, any squad improvement is a good thing I guess, but only time will show if this represents squad improvement. Agreed, just struggling to piece it together a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 26 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s a squad game, we’ll have options. That is all that matters. If some players don’t get the minutes they want, then LM will need to deal with them. Could that be what is happening with TGH? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HengroveReds Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Humble guy, and the first Englishman to play for Barcelona since Linekar! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, mozo said: Could that be what is happening with TGH? Yep… ….the next question is will that be any different for McGuane? +++++ I have no idea, because I don’t know what, if any, playing expectations the players have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 38 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Agreed, just struggling to piece it together a bit. LJ "I need one more player" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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