Who next?

[Mr Popodopolous]

A manager and structure is no guarantee of success, there is no guarantee but if you don't give yourselves the best possible chance and the best possible structure to seek to achieve it, what is the point.

That is my main bugbear atm.

[KegCity]

21 hours ago, Davefevs said:

And Stories of Newman spending a bit of time here of late.

That's solely up to JL now, I don't see where Newman fits with Tinnion still at the club.

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, KegCity said:

That's solely up to JL now, I don't see where Newman fits with Tinnion still at the club.

I agree, a bit of an unknown.

[redsquirrel]

7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I agree, a bit of an unknown.

i dont think anyone now with a higher profile than LM (not that high) would fit into the set up.  anyone with any savvy would check us out,agents make calls etc.

Nige took the job on because he likes a challenge ,to better himself. nobody else would get that chance with tinnion in his role. 

[KegCity]

4 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

i dont think anyone now with a higher profile than LM (not that high) would fit into the set up.  anyone with any savvy would check us out,agents make calls etc.

Nige took the job on because he likes a challenge ,to better himself. nobody else would get that chance with tinnion in his role. 

It's not even that, there's interest there, just depends if JL would prefer Newman in that role. (I doubt it).

[Henry]

4 hours ago, KegCity said:

That's solely up to JL now, I don't see where Newman fits with Tinnion still at the club.

It’s not uncommon for clubs to have a CEO, technical director and a director of football/sporting director who would deal with recruitment.

We have Brian Tinnion.

[RollsRoyce]

34 minutes ago, KegCity said:

It's not even that, there's interest there, just depends if JL would prefer Newman in that role. (I doubt it).

Newman would be a huge step up from Tinnion; he has a much wider network and top level experience. 

[AppyDAZE]

6 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

Newman would be a huge step up from Tinnion; he has a much wider network and top level experience. 

Let's face it, the ******* Crankies would be a step up from that bloke right now 

[KegCity]

11 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

Newman would be a huge step up from Tinnion; he has a much wider network and top level experience. 

I agree, can do a lot for the academy as well as recruitment. Can get the academy guys training over in Spain with Barca/Real etc.

Edited Thursday at 10:46 by KegCity

[Mr Popodopolous]

Newman for Tinnion

Tinnion back to some Academy role and maybe yes his Spain stuff comes in handy again.

Proper CEO- Gavin Marshall back to Group CEO only.

Jon Lansdown..to a position that best suits his talents? Insert your own...

Edited Thursday at 11:01 by Mr Popodopolous

[steviestevieneville]

59 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Newman for Tinnion

Tinnion back to some Academy role and maybe yes his Spain stuff comes in handy again.

Proper CEO- Gavin Marshall back to Group CEO only.

Jon Lansdown..to a position that best suits his talents? Insert your own...

Tinnion would have to go completely imo. A step back into the academy would look embarrassing for him , plus I could envisage some resentment from him. We already know he can be petty . Would love Newman back at the club 

[KegCity]

9 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Tinnion would have to go completely imo. A step back into the academy would look embarrassing for him , plus I could envisage some resentment from him. We already know he can be petty . Would love Newman back at the club 

Which is why I don't think anything will come of it sadly. I can't see Tinnion leaving before the Lansdowns.

It's a good opportunity for the club and shouldn't be passed up lightly.

[hinsleburg]

The Newman stuff is interesting, I was told last week he'd been bought in to do some 'Consultancy' for the board but no idea what that would be and not with the intention of a full time role.

I wouldn't be shocked if we paid him a shed loads of money for a few weeks work, he suggests all the areas we need improving and structural changes and we tell him he's wrong...

[Kingswood Robin]

13 minutes ago, hinsleburg said:

The Newman stuff is interesting, I was told last week he'd been bought in to do some 'Consultancy' for the board but no idea what that would be and not with the intention of a full time role.

I wouldn't be shocked if we paid him a shed loads of money for a few weeks work, he suggests all the areas we need improving and structural changes and we tell him he's wrong...

That would be very "us" wouldn't it?

The consultant starts saying things we don't want to hear and is escorted off the premises.

[W-S-M Seagull]

53 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Which is why I don't think anything will come of it sadly. I can't see Tinnion leaving before the Lansdowns.

It's a good opportunity for the club and shouldn't be passed up lightly.

This is what annoys me. 

At other clubs it's who is the best person for the job and a constant review of whether the current person in the role is the best person. 

Here it's all rather cosy. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

Strong rumours going around that Edwards has left Luton today. 

[KegCity]

12 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

This is what annoys me. 

At other clubs it's who is the best person for the job and a constant review of whether the current person in the role is the best person. 

Here it's all rather cosy. 

If the consultancy role is true that says it all. Don't think that was the initial idea.

[Davefevs]

18 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Strong rumours going around that Edwards has left Luton today. 

 

[Malago]

Just a reminder to everyone that LM has over 2 and half years remaining of his contract.

The only way he’ll be sacked this season is if we’re in the relegation zone around Easter time.

[Superjack]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

 

It isn't. It's Sheffield United.

[lenred]

1 minute ago, Malago said:

Just a reminder to everyone that LM has over 2 and half years remaining of his contract.

The only way he’ll be sacked this season is if we’re in the relegation zone around Easter time.

Plenty of others have already posted responses to this point.  It just isn’t the case.   Thankfully.  

[W-S-M Seagull]

Just now, Malago said:

Just a reminder to everyone that LM has over 2 and half years remaining of his contract.

The only way he’ll be sacked this season is if we’re in the relegation zone around Easter time.

It's very unlikely that if we sacked him he'd recieve a full 2.5 years of compo. 

[Silvio Dante]

1 minute ago, Malago said:

Just a reminder to everyone that LM has over 2 and half years remaining of his contract.

The only way he’ll be sacked this season is if we’re in the relegation zone around Easter time.

I’d respectfully disagree. 
 

Any competent organisation (I know) would act way before then.

Easter Monday is on 21st April. After then we have two games left (Leeds away and Preston home if you’re interested).

Even Jon Lansdown wouldn’t leave it that late if we were in the relegation zone. It’s far more likely they’d act earlier if we’re in trouble to give the new man time and a chance to bring players in during the Jan window.

If you seriously believe that the club could be sat in the relegation zone and not act until two games left of the season then I’ve got some beans to sell you.

[Malago]

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

I’d respectfully disagree. 
 

Any competent organisation (I know) would act way before then.

Easter Monday is on 21st April. After then we have two games left (Leeds away and Preston home if you’re interested).

Even Jon Lansdown wouldn’t leave it that late if we were in the relegation zone. It’s far more likely they’d act earlier if we’re in trouble to give the new man time and a chance to bring players in during the Jan window.

If you seriously believe that the club could be sat in the relegation zone and not act until two games left of the season then I’ve got some beans to sell you.

Ok Jan Transfer window, February, March.   The point being, they won’t sack him unless circumstances force them.  

[Silvio Dante]

Just now, Malago said:

Ok Jan Transfer window, February, March.   The point being, they won’t sack him unless circumstances force them.  

Bit different from “He’s got 2.5 years left and it’ll only happen in the relegation zone post Easter” isn’t it?

Every manager or coach gets sacked if circumstances force it. Irrespective of contract length. It’s a total maguffin as I think your post now acknowledges

[Malago]

2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Bit different from “He’s got 2.5 years left and it’ll only happen in the relegation zone post Easter” isn’t it?

Every manager or coach gets sacked if circumstances force it. Irrespective of contract length. It’s a total maguffin as I think your post now acknowledges

 Fact: He’s got 2.5 years left on his contract.

Opinion which we both share: He’ll only be sacked if we’re seriously threatened by relegation.

The only difference in opinion, is how long their nerve will last.  They’ve bet the farm on Manning.  They’ll only sack him kicking and screaming.
 

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, Malago said:

 Fact: He’s got 2.5 years left on his contract.

Opinion which we both share: He’ll only be sacked if we’re seriously threatened by relegation.

The only difference in opinion, is how long their nerve will last.  They’ve bet the farm on Manning.  They’ll only sack him kicking and screaming.
 

I don’t necessarily agree they’ll only sack him if we’re in serious danger of relegation vis being in the relegation zone.

There is an argument over whether, considering our sub optimum start from favourable fixtures, we may be in a relegation scrap in real terms already.

”Seriously threatened by relegation” is a bit of an interpretation piece. I’d argue you act before the threat becomes too big (ie before you’re in the zone) and historically Steve Lansdown has done that.

I think if the fan unrest continues to grow, and results/performances don’t improve, he’s gone. I think he’ll get - and has already got - more latitude than others might because of what was staked on his appointment, but the contract length is totally irrelevant - arresting the current situation and it not repeating is all that will keep him in a job for any more than the next 6 weeks or so.

[Kingswood Robin]

1 hour ago, Malago said:

Just a reminder to everyone that LM has over 2 and half years remaining of his contract.

The only way he’ll be sacked this season is if we’re in the relegation zone around Easter time.

If they lose the next 6 games, you still reckon a club with a reputation for sacking managers in Autumn, will wait until Easter?

The pressure over the next month could become intolerable and madame guillotine will be putting in an appearance.

[Merrick's Marvels]

Football is a small world, an old boys network. It's about who you know just as much as what you know, probably more so.

Besides proving time and again that what they know adds up to diddly squat, the people running our club don't know enough people in the game. For whatever reasons, they've not taken the trouble to get to know people on the inside, they haven't networked, they haven't got a little black book full of contacts. There are people on here better connected in football, in fact.

This has only compounded knowing nowt about the game in the first place and ,for me, is the biggest reason the team still isn't as successful as it should. 

This point has been made time again on here by various posters - various "insiders" are regularly suggested as people who should have been more involved in running the club to offset the owners obvious deficiencies - Joe Jordan, Richard Scudamore etc. Mark Ashton was a step in the right direction but then, with no oversight - no-one to keep him in check, he was allowed to spend irresponsibly. (That's what a proper Board of Directors would have done, Steve - just a thought.)

So Rob Newman would be a big step in the right direction.  

And I would be dumbstruck if Lansdown even considered it. 

But with a disinterested, beta male owner absolving all responsibility to his beta male son and beta male Teknikal Director, who have appointed a beta male computer nerd to coach the team, our club is going nowhere fast in the dog-eat-dog alpha male world of football.

When you factor in at least 2 of them being unfit for purpose, manifestly unqualified for their positions, the resulting incompetence is off the scale. 

There's another recent thread on here about Tony Collins - there's a well connected football man. No con-incidence he was a cornerstone of our last promotion to the top flight.

Similar is needed once again.   

[supercidered]

9 hours ago, KegCity said:

That's solely up to JL now, I don't see where Newman fits with Tinnion still at the club.

In a reality where common sense prevails then Tinnion is sacked and Biff takes his place.

However, the reality is there no common sense at planet Bristol City FC.

[steviestevieneville]

3 hours ago, KegCity said:

Which is why I don't think anything will come of it sadly. I can't see Tinnion leaving before the Lansdowns.

It's a good opportunity for the club and shouldn't be passed up lightly.

Agree. Trouble is , the position they’re in due to the club being run as a dictatorship the only person who has any clue about the game is tinnion . He’s their only football sounding board imo . It would be good to know if bif Newman has come back to the club recently as guest of the former players association , so Neil palmer & Scott Davidson invitation or the lansdowns or both . Is Lansdown anything to do with  the FPA ? I really don’t know . 

[alexukhc]

I’d love Biff as CEO, Moyes as DoF and Manning to learn under him, tho not gonna happen

[Engvall’s Splinter]

2 hours ago, Kingswood Robin said:

If they lose the next 6 games, you still reckon a club with a reputation for sacking managers in Autumn, will wait until Easter?

The pressure over the next month could become intolerable and madame guillotine will be putting in an appearance.

Yes I do. I’ve no confidence in them at all. They’ll ride this out as long as possible in the hope their appointment proves them right. 

[Offside]

On 09/10/2024 at 09:34, Harry said:

Whomever it may be, let’s hope we don’t spend money poaching an in-work manager again. 
Unnecessary. 
 

And let’s also then hope that whomever it may be, ends up being so successful that he is poached FROM us. 

Lumsden, Smith, Osman, Pulis, Ward, Benny, Wilson, Tinnion, GJ, Coppell, Millen, Mcinnes, Sod, Cotts, LJ, Holden, Pearson. 
 

Not a single one of our 17 managers since Joe Jordan in 1990, has been regarded as poach-worthy by another club. 
Shocking really! 
 

It would be nice to be angry at having lost a manager to another team for once. I was quite jealous of the Oxford fans last week and their hatred toward Manning. I want some of that

Out of that list of managers, the only one I remember thinking might be poached by another club was GJ when his stock was still high - I’m sure I remember there being rumours that Derby were interested at one point. 

At the start of the relegation season when McInnes was sacked we began well with home wins v Crystal Palace and Cardiff and played some good football. I briefly thought at the time that if things continued like that McInness might get poached. But for the rest of the season we were abysmal and got relegated so my fortune telling powers are obviously crap. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Football is a small world, an old boys network. It's about who you know just as much as what you know, probably more so.

Besides proving time and again that what they know adds up to diddly squat, the people running our club don't know enough people in the game. For whatever reasons, they've not taken the trouble to get to know people on the inside, they haven't networked, they haven't got a little black book full of contacts. There are people on here better connected in football, in fact.

This has only compounded knowing nowt about the game in the first place and ,for me, is the biggest reason the team still isn't as successful as it should. 

This point has been made time again on here by various posters - various "insiders" are regularly suggested as people who should have been more involved in running the club to offset the owners obvious deficiencies - Joe Jordan, Richard Scudamore etc. Mark Ashton was a step in the right direction but then, with no oversight - no-one to keep him in check, he was allowed to spend irresponsibly. (That's what a proper Board of Directors would have done, Steve - just a thought.)

So Rob Newman would be a big step in the right direction.  

And I would be dumbstruck if Lansdown even considered it. 

But with a disinterested, beta male owner absolving all responsibility to his beta male son and beta male Teknikal Director, who have appointed a beta male computer nerd to coach the team, our club is going nowhere fast in the dog-eat-dog alpha male world of football.

When you factor in at least 2 of them being unfit for purpose, manifestly unqualified for their positions, the resulting incompetence is off the scale. 

There's another recent thread on here about Tony Collins - there's a well connected football man. No con-incidence he was a cornerstone of our last promotion to the top flight.

Similar is needed once again.   

As James Piercy said on RB, this club has an obsession with achieving promotion in a 'pure' way. Thats what is holding us back. 

[Henry]

3 hours ago, alexukhc said:

I’d love Biff as CEO, Moyes as DoF and Manning to learn under him, tho not gonna happen

Newman isn’t a CEO and Moyes isn’t a DoF though.

[bexhill reds]

4 hours ago, alexukhc said:

I’d love Biff as CEO, Moyes as DoF and Manning to learn under him, tho not gonna happen

Quite simply Manning needs to be nowhere near any form of adult professional football, he might be good at coaching u18s at academy level, but is not a Championship standard manager.

[bexhill reds]

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

As James Piercy said on RB, this club has an obsession with achieving promotion in a 'pure' way. Thats what is holding us back. 

I liked Piercy at Bristol Live, intelligent football writer and good at pressers too. Makes a lot of sense that man, I suspect he's right here too.

[KegCity]

4 hours ago, alexukhc said:

I’d love Biff as CEO, Moyes as DoF and Manning to learn under him, tho not gonna happen

Not sure if Newman’s a CEO. Has very good contacts across Europe and I expect would substantially improve our recruitment.

It’s far too sensible an idea for the club to pursue, I’d be gobsmacked if Tinnion is sacked or demoted whilst JL is running the club.

[Dastardly and Muttley]

On 09/10/2024 at 11:01, awbb said:

I mean, forgetting about Tony Pulis is still something I have, sadly, failed to do. He was brought in after Benny went (start of 99-00). This might be completely spurious on my part, but I am fairly sure Lansdown wanted him, wheras Davison wanted Moyes... Could have been completely the other way around, in fairness.

Not only that - Portsmouth subsequently poached him off us.

Imagine that. The only manager deemed worthy enough to be taken off us by another club in 34 years was Tiny P*nis.

 

 

I was bored watching England, so have taken a brief look at how common this is for clubs our size.

At Millwall, I can only see Mick McCarthy to Republic of Ireland in 1996 as a manager directly taken by a different team.

Preston: David Moyes (2002, Everton), Billy Davies (2006, Derby), Simon Grayson (2017, Sunderland)

Cardiff: none that I can see, going back to the 90s.

Blackburn Rovers: Graeme Souness (2004, Newcastle), Mark Hughes (2008, Man City)

 

Maybe it’s not as common as we seem to think for a manager to be poached from a club of our size?

[petehinton]

Carsley!

[sludge]

4 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

I was bored watching England, so have taken a brief look at how common this is for clubs our size.

At Millwall, I can only see Mick McCarthy to Republic of Ireland in 1996 as a manager directly taken by a different team.

Preston: David Moyes (2002, Everton), Billy Davies (2006, Derby), Simon Grayson (2017, Sunderland)

Cardiff: none that I can see, going back to the 90s.

Blackburn Rovers: Graeme Souness (2004, Newcastle), Mark Hughes (2008, Man City)

 

Maybe it’s not as common as we seem to think for a manager to be poached from a club of our size?

Take a look at Swansea mind…

[Back of the Dolman]

20 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Not sure if Newman’s a CEO. Has very good contacts across Europe and I expect would substantially improve our recruitment.

It’s far too sensible an idea for the club to pursue, I’d be gobsmacked if Tinnion is sacked or demoted whilst JL is running the club.

He was head of recruitment when he was working at West Ham 

[Sir Geoff]

13 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

I was bored watching England, so have taken a brief look at how common this is for clubs our size.

At Millwall, I can only see Mick McCarthy to Republic of Ireland in 1996 as a manager directly taken by a different team.

Preston: David Moyes (2002, Everton), Billy Davies (2006, Derby), Simon Grayson (2017, Sunderland)

Cardiff: none that I can see, going back to the 90s.

Blackburn Rovers: Graeme Souness (2004, Newcastle), Mark Hughes (2008, Man City)

 

Maybe it’s not as common as we seem to think for a manager to be poached from a club of our size?

Potter Swansea to Brighton

Rodgers Swansea to Liverpool

Must be dozens more

[sludge]

1 minute ago, Sir Geoff said:

Potter Swansea to Brighton

Rodgers Swansea to Liverpool

Must be dozens more

Roberto Martinez Swansea to Wigan (Premier Leage at time I think).

Russell Martin Swansea to Southampton. 
 

Steve Cooper as well. Not poached by Forest but currently managing at higher level. 

[Dastardly and Muttley]

4 minutes ago, sludge said:

Take a look at Swansea mind…

Roberto Martinez (2009, Wigan), Paulo Sousa (2010, Leicester), Brendan Rodgers (2012, Liverpool), Graham Potter (2019, Brighton), Russell Martin (2023, Southampton)

 

What really stands out about Swansea is the number of managers. 17 since 2001, not including caretakers. (Preston - 12, Millwall - 14, Blackburn - 13, us - 12)

Swansea have a lot of managers who lasted around a year. We seem to give people more time.

[tin]

36 minutes ago, KegCity said:

Not sure if Newman’s a CEO. Has very good contacts across Europe and I expect would substantially improve our recruitment.

It’s far too sensible an idea for the club to pursue, I’d be gobsmacked if Tinnion is sacked or demoted whilst JL is running the club.

Newman was international scouting and recruitment manager at Man City, and head of recruitment at West Ham. 

CEO would be a big step up from there, but he would be a natural replacement (and definite upgrade) for Tinnion. 

If I were the Lansdowns, I’d be moving heaven and earth to get him in that role and Scudamore as chairman. 

Edited Thursday at 21:35 by tin

[Dastardly and Muttley]

6 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Potter Swansea to Brighton

Rodgers Swansea to Liverpool

Must be dozens more

Only 5. Directly poached.

[Malago]

7 hours ago, Kingswood Robin said:

If they lose the next 6 games, you still reckon a club with a reputation for sacking managers in Autumn, will wait until Easter?

The pressure over the next month could become intolerable and madame guillotine will be putting in an appearance.

LJ lost 8 games in a row and wasn’t sacked.  Both Tinnion and Jon Lansdown have staked their reputations (:laugh:) on Manning.  The won’t sack him unless they absolutely have to.

[Shauntaylor85]

Go in for Mark Robins. End of. I think he would take it. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 hours ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

Roberto Martinez (2009, Wigan), Paulo Sousa (2010, Leicester), Brendan Rodgers (2012, Liverpool), Graham Potter (2019, Brighton), Russell Martin (2023, Southampton)

 

What really stands out about Swansea is the number of managers. 17 since 2001, not including caretakers. (Preston - 12, Millwall - 14, Blackburn - 13, us - 12)

Swansea have a lot of managers who lasted around a year. We seem to give people more time.

It's a bit of a factory though, the Swansea one.

Looking elsewhere, Beale got poached by Rangers- one Rangers to another we might say.

Brentford lost Smith to Aston Villa but unsure how many more.

[Dastardly and Muttley]

47 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It's a bit of a factory though, the Swansea one.

Looking elsewhere, Beale got poached by Rangers- one Rangers to another we might say.

Brentford lost Smith to Aston Villa but unsure how many more.

I don’t disagree. Just wanted to look and see whether just having one manager poached in 30 years was “normal” or exceptional. Definitely feels like it’s on the lower side, but there are other teams with similar stats.

[Ashton Fete]

Given the graving for external investment one thing Lansdown won’t gamble with is relegation as many others have commented.

Therefore it comes to the Q of how many games of a bad run needs to happen before he may consider change.  Personally I think it will a run of successive defeats probably 4 on the bounce which isn’t inconceivable given our forthcoming run. Other views?

Robins would be ideal but Coventry seem to start seasons poorly then pick up so I think he’s got plenty left in the credit bank before they would think of replacing him

[redsquirrel]

my no1 objective would be to oust tinnion. roboflop can stay for the short term just to see if there was any influence being pushed his way. if things improved,run with just the new ceo/dof but who we could attract is beyond me. 

[Galley is our king]

3 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

my no1 objective would be to oust tinnion. roboflop can stay for the short term just to see if there was any influence being pushed his way. if things improved,run with just the new ceo/dof but who we could attract is beyond me. 

My view exactly about Tinnion. Why we were happy to re employ a previously failed manager is beyond me. His recruitment then was appalling so we make him head of recruitment now!

Bonkers decision taken by a man whose never done a proper day's work in his life (well except for working for his dad's call centre ). No experience whatsoever to be anywhere near the job of chairman.

 

[beaverface]

2 hours ago, Ashton Fete said:

Given the graving for external investment one thing Lansdown won’t gamble with is relegation as many others have commented.

Therefore it comes to the Q of how many games of a bad run needs to happen before he may consider change.  Personally I think it will a run of successive defeats probably 4 on the bounce which isn’t inconceivable given our forthcoming run. Other views?

Robins would be ideal but Coventry seem to start seasons poorly then pick up so I think he’s got plenty left in the credit bank before they would think of replacing him

I find it interesting that when Holden had to be let go, Steve Lansdown used some words along the lines of "I had to step in and get it sorted" - this was after he previously left the decision making to JL and Ashton who appointed Holden.

The latest appointment of Manning seems to have come from JL and Tinnion. Will there be the need for Steve Lansdown to have to step in AGAIN to protect his investment? and at what point, or how many chances does he keep giving the same team who he's put in charge of running the club, the same opportunities to keep getting it wrong*?

*there's still no proof they've got it wrong with Manning as yet - time will tell - but the signs' aren't looking good IMO

[Sleepy1968]

On 10/10/2024 at 11:42, AppyDAZE said:

Let's face it, the ******* Crankies would be a step up from that bloke right now 

Ahem, be careful what you wish for.

[NSFF]

On 10/10/2024 at 17:50, Merrick's Marvels said:

Football is a small world, an old boys network. It's about who you know just as much as what you know, probably more so.

Besides proving time and again that what they know adds up to diddly squat, the people running our club don't know enough people in the game. For whatever reasons, they've not taken the trouble to get to know people on the inside, they haven't networked, they haven't got a little black book full of contacts. There are people on here better connected in football, in fact.

This has only compounded knowing nowt about the game in the first place and ,for me, is the biggest reason the team still isn't as successful as it should. 

This point has been made time again on here by various posters - various "insiders" are regularly suggested as people who should have been more involved in running the club to offset the owners obvious deficiencies - Joe Jordan, Richard Scudamore etc. Mark Ashton was a step in the right direction but then, with no oversight - no-one to keep him in check, he was allowed to spend irresponsibly. (That's what a proper Board of Directors would have done, Steve - just a thought.)

So Rob Newman would be a big step in the right direction.  

And I would be dumbstruck if Lansdown even considered it. 

But with a disinterested, beta male owner absolving all responsibility to his beta male son and beta male Teknikal Director, who have appointed a beta male computer nerd to coach the team, our club is going nowhere fast in the dog-eat-dog alpha male world of football.

When you factor in at least 2 of them being unfit for purpose, manifestly unqualified for their positions, the resulting incompetence is off the scale. 

There's another recent thread on here about Tony Collins - there's a well connected football man. No con-incidence he was a cornerstone of our last promotion to the top flight.

Similar is needed once again.   

Unfortunately this is absolutely spot on they have no friends in the game what so ever,even the chaps who used to play with the binman didn’t like him 

[temp]

There is no "next" just same old, same old;

The best SC,(double winning manager) was the first SL and Dawes sacked without even giving him a full season in this div, then the last one a championship and prem exp manager deemed not good enough.(prob too expensive)

So lead by a prev failed manager here BT, JL decides to employ a manager with no prev exp of managing in this div who is well out of his depth.

Fans are sold the promise of a challenge to the top of this league, the truth is in fact the only interest is staying out of the bottom 3 and selling ST`s next season by selling hope of better things to come.

Any decent players we fall over are sold for the next rebuild, its clear we aint risking jackshite on any serious challenge to get to the prem preferring to go no-where but around and around.

[headhunter]

Newman has contacts of that there is no doubt but he has been fishing in a totally different pond to us and therefore not in touch - fair statement?

As an analogy, it is a akin to Lidl hiring a fish buyer from Waitrose where they buy the best and pay accordingly.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, headhunter said:

Newman has contacts of that there is no doubt but he has been fishing in a totally different pond to us and therefore not in touch - fair statement?

As an analogy, it is an akin to Lidl hiring a fish buyer from Waitrose where they buy the best and pay accordingly.

But imagine all those players he’s seen / had recommended to him that weren’t good enough for Man City or West Ham…..

[W-S-M Seagull]

3 hours ago, headhunter said:

Newman has contacts of that there is no doubt but he has been fishing in a totally different pond to us and therefore not in touch - fair statement?

As an analogy, it is a akin to Lidl hiring a fish buyer from Waitrose where they buy the best and pay accordingly.

I think the common suggestion on here is not for him to replace Gilhespy as head of recruitment but to replace Tinnion as technical director. 

[Alessandro]

Whether or not we could tempt him, but a manager with a massive upwards trajectory whose name I'd chuck in is Jimmy Thelin.

Suspect a bigger fish will get him first though. (EDIT: Just googled and Wolves apparently want him, if O'Neil goes)

Edited Saturday at 21:39 by Alessandro

[glynriley]

2 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Whether or not we could tempt him, but a manager with a massive upwards trajectory whose name I'd chuck in is Jimmy Thelin.

Suspect a bigger fish will get him first though. (EDIT: Just googled and Wolves apparently want him, if O'Neil goes)

If Lansdown told Tinnion to go and get Jimmy from Scotland we’d end up with Jimmy Krankee

[KegCity]

On 12/10/2024 at 16:52, headhunter said:

Newman has contacts of that there is no doubt but he has been fishing in a totally different pond to us and therefore not in touch - fair statement?

As an analogy, it is a akin to Lidl hiring a fish buyer from Waitrose where they buy the best and pay accordingly.

Possibly, I don't believe that's the case though. As Dave's said above there will be plenty of players that were passed over by West Ham that weren't Premier League standard that could well succeed in the championship. Based on the players Newman has brought in for Man City/West Ham, I'd say he has an eye for a player.

It also benefits the academy, players can be training with Barca/Real through Newman. 

The below article gives a good insight into how Newman handles recruitment.

Head of Recruitment Rob Newman on West Ham United’s summer business | West Ham United F.C. (whufc.com)

[frenchred]

On 10/10/2024 at 13:13, hinsleburg said:

The Newman stuff is interesting, I was told last week he'd been bought in to do some 'Consultancy' for the board but no idea what that would be and not with the intention of a full time role.

I wouldn't be shocked if we paid him a shed loads of money for a few weeks work, he suggests all the areas we need improving and structural changes and we tell him he's wrong...

That's 3 additional "consultants" advising the boards then if true