Nigel Pearson was the best thing to happen to this club since Alan Dicks

[Mr Popodopolous]

3 hours ago, red panda said:

I see where you are coming from, but isn't almost every managerial appointment a reckless gamble??  If owners/DoFs were kicked out every time an appointment failed, there would be literally no-one left running football

 

Given the context of your post, that's really quite a strong comment

How shall I put this.

The Fanbase I dunno there will be back and forth while there isn't improvement.

They sacked NP and his team with the clear and obvious goal of improvement or at least a view that we were falling short. Tinnion and Jon Lansdown are woeful, dunno what to make of Marshall- however his interview on ITV last year was embarrassing.

I think Stats show we aren't bad as the current mood but we are still midtableish when averaging all of those metrics. Some big over and underachievers but we are still even on that reading midtableish.

Edited Monday at 12:29 by Mr Popodopolous

[TV Tom]

23 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

 it’s literally the thread title 

Haha, so it is, what a clown

[tin]

Some great posts on here, for and against Pearson’s spell here. But for me, I thought he did an excellent job. 

History shows that during times of a rebuild, we always get relegated and rebuild in the third-tier. To do that in the second tier while keeping us competitive and in times of extreme austerity is one hell of an achievement, particularly when you factor in the shitshow off the field.

The pathway was there, the books were in better shape and foundations were laid to kick on. Nearly 12 months on, now look at us - you could say the complete opposite. The only way we’re getting out of this division is via the bottom three. 

Edited Monday at 12:35 by tin

[cotswoldred2]

On 14/09/2024 at 19:16, Shauntaylor85 said:

I am a strong believer of this, he united the fans and if you look back at the highlights of the first number of games last season he had us playing some great football and we were solid at the back. The injuries were so unfortunate, he was treated appallingly. Had he been backed post sale of Scott things would be different now in my view. How we miss his leadership and football etiquette.  
 

Why Steve allowed himself to be influenced by one of the worst mistakes he made in his city tenure in the summer of 2004 I will never know! That technical director appointment has taken us back. 

What good is it going over old ground, making comparisons, and ranking best /worst managers? So churlish and utterly pointless, I lived through Alan Dick's and way before him, AD nearly killed the club with the contracts but yes he was backed and the football I am grateful for, but realise we probably will never get top flight football back, because the stakes are just too high, of course I would like to have a sniff at it, but we already punching above our weight when you look at other squads in this league alone. 

Nige would not have improved us, he did OK whilst he was here but it was boring, bit like him really, we have had glimpses of a new style, but was dashed with big Rob's injury, and we can't adjust, as yet, but we will.

I know football fans are fickle but you lot are Prem ready, and totally in a world of inward thinking due to spending your lives on here wishing Nige would come back, he won't so get over it, win Saturday and and all will be forgotten xxx

[Malago]

36 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

What good is it going over old ground, making comparisons, and ranking best /worst managers? So churlish and utterly pointless, I lived through Alan Dick's and way before him, AD nearly killed the club with the contracts but yes he was backed and the football I am grateful for, but realise we probably will never get top flight football back, because the stakes are just too high, of course I would like to have a sniff at it, but we already punching above our weight when you look at other squads in this league alone. 

Nige would not have improved us, he did OK whilst he was here but it was boring, bit like him really, we have had glimpses of a new style, but was dashed with big Rob's injury, and we can't adjust, as yet, but we will.

I know football fans are fickle but you lot are Prem ready, and totally in a world of inward thinking due to spending your lives on here wishing Nige would come back, he won't so get over it, win Saturday and and all will be forgotten xxx

We realise that NP is not coming back.  What we want is an owner who will an appoint a hard nosed professional CEO, who in turn appoints an experienced professional Head of Football, who in turn appoints a competent and credible Head Coach.  
 

Stripping everything back, our problem is, we have a disinterested owner who won’t take the hit on the selling the club at a loss, who has appointed his ill qualified son to run the club, to give him something to do.

 That’s the nub of the matter.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Nige would not have improved us, he did OK whilst he was here but it was boring, bit like him really, we have had glimpses of a new style, but was dashed with big Rob's injury, and we can't adjust, as yet, but we will.

But he did improve us, so why wouldn’t he have continued to do so?  Why are you so sure?

Nige himself - boring?  Wow!

Injuries are ok to use as an excuse / reason now…even when you’ve signed another CB for a decent fee and wages.  Thanks for notifying us of the change of OTIB policy!

You really dislike Nige don’t you.  Did he stand on your toes in a ballroom dancing competition or something like that?

[Bazooka Joe]

1 hour ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Nige would not have improved us, he did OK whilst he was here but it was boring, bit like him really, we have had glimpses of a new style, but was dashed with big Rob's injury, and we can't adjust, as yet, but we will.

As opposed to Manning, who, when he speaks, is so captivating and engaging.

And is the football he's delivering entertaining, free-flowing and bagging us a shed-load of points?

Pearson would certainly have improved us if he had been given the same time and money as has been given to over-pampered Manning.

[cotswoldred2]

21 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But he did improve us, so why wouldn’t he have continued to do so?  Why are you so sure?

Nige himself - boring?  Wow!

Injuries are ok to use as an excuse / reason now…even when you’ve signed another CB for a decent fee and wages.  Thanks for notifying us of the change of OTIB policy!

You really dislike Nige don’t you.  Did he stand on your toes in a ballroom dancing competition or something like that?

I don't really 'like' him, but that doesn't cloud my opinion of him as a manager either, I don't have to like him if he was a success. I find him a bit short fused and wasn't ever the best ambassador for most if any clubs he worked with, that was why I believe he was sacked, from here and elsewhere, but I respect anyone who feels different and wouldn't use analogies for a titter... Dave .

Well that's not really true, I do on the odd occasion.

Now Cotts...there is a guy that made me cry with joy and with emotion, that evening at Bradford? securing promotion and RB blaring out the Wurzels in the car, and Dicks at the Gate, Pompey, that is special, even LJ against Man U spinning the ball boy, and his Dad trip against Cardiff, all big personalities, it can be done.

15 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said:

As opposed to Manning, who, when he speaks, is so captivating and engaging.

And is the football he's delivering entertaining, free-flowing and bagging us a shed-load of points?

Pearson would certainly have improved us if he had been given the same time and money as has been given to over-pampered Manning.

''Certainly'' mmm.

[petehinton]

2 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

 

Nige would not have improved us, he did OK whilst he was here but it was boring, bit like him really, we have had glimpses of a new style, but was dashed with big Rob's injury, and we can't adjust, as yet, but we will.

 

If £10m+ later, our entire season & success for our manager is hinged on a……centre back…..who was already here before he joined, then we really are in the shit. 
 

The Dickie injury is a very convenient timely excuse imo, as brilliant as he is, just like ‘Naismith in a four’ is. 

[Jose]

On 14/09/2024 at 19:43, TV Tom said:

But certain people are obsessed to the point of madness, it’s not as if we played champagne football under NP, it was unbelievably dire at times, some of the away performances were some of the worst I’ve ever seen in the season before he got sacked

We lost once by three goals away from home that season. Manning has lost three out of the last four games  away from home by that margin. 
 

If that was dire I’d love to know how you’d describe these away games? 
 

Got to give it to these Nige knockers. Even when plain facts are staring them in the face they still stay strong. 

[Kid in the Riot]

8 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Fair.

But has been mentioned below, his entire backroom team were removed to allow Manning to bring in his.

I’d actually prefer Euell & Fleming in charge now with Rennie still in his medical role if Nige is incapacitated than our current set up.

I get your point about his health & not going back but at 61 maybe he’s also had enough of management anyway?

A pretty early decision was made that Nige wasn't going to get a new contract, so in his final season it was just a matter of when the trigger would be pulled.

An average start to the season and his ill health combined was plenty enough of an excuse for "the board" to sack him. In fairness, the ill health was a significant issue.

We know SL and Tinnion are vindictive and can be ruthless when they don't like someone, or that person is more popular than them (see also SL with Cotts), so little surprise they got rid of all Pearson loyalists.

In defence of that decision, I guess the club would say none have exactly gone onto better things. They're all in L1, L2 or unattached. 

[TV Tom]

19 minutes ago, Jose said:

We lost once by three goals away from home that season. Manning has lost three out of the last four games  away from home by that margin. 
 

If that was dire I’d love to know how you’d describe these away games? 
 

Got to give it to these Nige knockers. Even when plain facts are staring them in the face they still stay strong. 

It’s not a case of knocking NP because most people would say he done a decent job under tough circumstances but it’s the unbelievable love-in that some have with him as if his two and a half years was champagne football and to say that he’s the best manager we’ve had since Alan Dicks is bat-shit crazy and embarrassing 

[Fuber]

2 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

What good is it going over old ground, making comparisons, and ranking best /worst managers? So churlish and utterly pointless, I lived through Alan Dick's and way before him, AD nearly killed the club with the contracts but yes he was backed and the football I am grateful for, but realise we probably will never get top flight football back, because the stakes are just too high, of course I would like to have a sniff at it, but we already punching above our weight when you look at other squads in this league alone. 

Nige would not have improved us, he did OK whilst he was here but it was boring, bit like him really, we have had glimpses of a new style, but was dashed with big Rob's injury, and we can't adjust, as yet, but we will.

I know football fans are fickle but you lot are Prem ready, and totally in a world of inward thinking due to spending your lives on here wishing Nige would come back, he won't so get over it, win Saturday and and all will be forgotten xxx

We'll never know as the board cucked and blew the Money on Manning.

Expecting him to perform miracles while cutting costs isn't going to happen - even Luton were increasing their wage spending alongside their momentum.

As for whether NP would come back - he's done it before, but it took a change in leadership for that to happen. I could honest care less about JL and Tinns so hope it happens.

[GrahamC]

14 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

 

In defence of that decision, I guess the club would say none have exactly gone onto better things. They're all in L1, L2 or unattached. 

They are all in work, Fleming & Euell are both in League One, Curtis is now assistant manager to high flying Charlton, Euell at struggling Cambridge.

Bit of a tangential issue but the difficulty in BME coaches in getting their first opportunity is definitely a factor in where the two of them currently are.

Rennie is in League Two at Doncaster, which is a bit like Frank Sinatra playing the Hippodrome to me, but I guess it is relatively local to him & he likes to work.

[Fuber]

3 minutes ago, TV Tom said:

It’s not a case of knocking NP because most people would say he done a decent job under tough circumstances but it’s the unbelievable love-in that some have with him as if his two and a half years was champagne football and to say that he’s the best manager we’ve had since Alan Dicks is bat-shit crazy and embarrassing 

First time in 30 years while cutting costs in this division that we didn't get relegated.

1995 - Relegated.

1999 - Relegated.

2013 - Relegated.

2021 - 19th. Survived.

Then 17th. 14th. 11th* when Manning comes in.

Increased League position each season while reducing the wage bill by 20-25% from a high of £35m pa.

Fact.

I don't want Champagne football. I want effective football with and 100% effort.

Now we have the opposite.

[David Brent]

3 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Nige would not have improved us, he did OK whilst he was here but it was boring, bit like him really, we have had glimpses of a new style, but was dashed with big Rob's injury, and we can't adjust, as yet, but we will.

 

Based on? 

[Kid in the Riot]

14 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

They are all in work, Fleming & Euell are both in League One, Curtis is now assistant manager to high flying Charlton, Euell at struggling Cambridge.

Bit of a tangential issue but the difficulty in BME coaches in getting their first opportunity is definitely a factor in where the two of them currently are.

Rennie is in League Two at Doncaster, which is a bit like Frank Sinatra playing the Hippodrome to me, but I guess it is relatively local to him & he likes to work.

Pearson and James aren't with anyone? I was including them too. 

I'm not sure how good Rennie is. One would assume very good given he was at Leicester so long. But he didn't really stem our injury problems, and allegedly made a couple of **** ups with Alex Scott and Conway to name a couple... If he's that good, seems odd his career appears on a downward trajectory. 

[Fuber]

29 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

A pretty early decision was made that Nige wasn't going to get a new contract, so in his final season it was just a matter of when the trigger would be pulled.

An average start to the season and his ill health combined was plenty enough of an excuse for "the board" to sack him. In fairness, the ill health was a significant issue.

We know SL and Tinnion are vindictive and can be ruthless when they don't like someone, or that person is more popular than them (see also SL with Cotts), so little surprise they got rid of all Pearson loyalists.

In defence of that decision, I guess the club would say none have exactly gone onto better things. They're all in L1, L2 or unattached. 

Don't think any of our coaching staff the last twenty years have gone onto better things. We seem to be where careers stall.

Struggle to think of one. Even. That's gone onto better things aside from Ashton and Probert. Who was an O'Driscoll(?) appointment. Former technically stepped down first to League One.

[petehinton]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

 

I'm not sure how good Rennie is. One would assume very good given he was at Leicester so long. But he didn't really stem our injury problems, and allegedly made a couple of **** ups with Alex Scott and Conway to name a couple... If he's that good, seems odd his career appears on a downward trajectory. 

Paul Tanner currently sweating into tea reading this imo

[David Brent]

2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Pearson and James aren't with anyone? I was including them too. 

I'm not sure how good Rennie is. One would assume very good given he was at Leicester so long. But he didn't really stem our injury problems, and allegedly made a couple of **** ups with Alex Scott and Conway to name a couple... If he's that good, seems odd his career appears on a downward trajectory. 

To be fair to Rennie, he’s a doctor at whatever club he is at. League tables probably don’t mean as much to him. 

[Fuber]

1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Pearson and James aren't with anyone? I was including them too. 

I'm not sure how good Rennie is. One would assume very good given he was at Leicester so long. But he didn't really stem our injury problems, and allegedly made a couple of **** ups with Alex Scott and Conway to name a couple... If he's that good, seems odd his career appears on a downward trajectory. 

He's also 60 and has grandkids up north. Must have some bearing.

He inherited a shitshow from Orme and Rolls, and eventually sorted Williams out to where he now seems back on his feet more often than not.

[Kid in the Riot]

2 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Don't think any of our coaching staff the last twenty years have gone onto better things. We seem to be where careers stall.

Struggle to think of one. Even. That's gone onto better things aside from Ashton and Probert. Who was an O'Driscoll(?) appointment. Former technically stepped down first to League One.

SOD went onto be assistant manager at Liverpool for a few months if that counts 

It is interesting that the managers we rate highest over SL's reign - GJ, Cotterill, Pearson - do relatively little after leaving here. GJ provided a brief miracle at Yeovil, but that's about it. Cotterill managing in non-league, and I doubt Pearson will return to a higher level, if he returns at all. 

[Fuber]

Just now, Kid in the Riot said:

SOD went onto be assistant manager at Liverpool for a few months if that counts 

It is interesting that the managers we rate highest over SL's reign - GJ, Cotterill, Pearson - do relatively little after leaving here. GJ provided a brief miracle at Yeovil, but that's about it. Cotterill managing in non-league, and I doubt Pearson will return to a higher level, if he returns at all. 

All at the point they left were fairly experienced. But also generally 'Managers' not head coaches like McInnes, LJ, Manning.

Think in general we, as a club, need strong personalities due to lack of general noise and leaderships from above that then allows them to paint their canvas as it fits.

[BigTone]

And yet it was GJ who got us on the cusp of the Premiership

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, Fuber said:

He's also 60 and has grandkids up north. Must have some bearing.

He inherited a shitshow from Orme and Rolls, and eventually sorted Williams out to where he now seems back on his feet more often than not.

He never slagged off Rolls either, which would’ve been easy / cheap thing to do.

And I think it’s also easy to try to blame one person, especially when you are sending players off to outside people for scans / consultations.  Sometimes players want to “give it a go” too.  Sometimes the manager wants a player to “give it a go” also.

Remember MA changing who the club used for specialist consultations, etc.

Rennie certainly reduced the amount of muscle injuries and training time missed through muscle injuries during his time here.  Let’s hope Tanner can continue that.

[DaveInSA]

Steve Lansdown is the problem.

I was going to write a big long post. Then deleted it. 

You can slant your manager/head coach opinions any way you like based on what you’ve seen and some stats. Woohoo you go guys.

For me it always comes back to cyclical Steve.

 

[cotswoldred2]

1 hour ago, David Brent said:

Based on? 

Not being a negative Nelly?

And having every faith in Liam.

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, Fuber said:

 

Think in general we, as a club, need strong personalities due to lack of general noise and leaderships from above that then allows them to paint their canvas as it fits.

We had that with Nige. I’m guessing that JL and BT probably felt threatened by him. 

[Shauntaylor85]

8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

So, that makes Manning just 0.0369 points per game (last season) better than a manager you don’t think is very good.  That’s not really a great recommendation is it?

And that’s without context of things like resources available to each.

Imho, he’s not building on what Nige (plus Richard) built / rebuilt, but taking it in a different direction.  He was not the “continuity” choice at all, I’d hoped he was adaptable, versatile, etc, but he’s not.  He was the choice to take advantage of what had been done before him.  He isn’t taking advantage is he?  He’s now operating at a lower amount of points per game that’s his predecessor if you want to judge by that alone!!!

Quite!

Please go on Forever Bristol podcast @Davefevs and give that stat to Ian! Plus the one from @petehinton on Manning not overturning a deficit! See what he says to that! 

[redsquirrel]

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

He never slagged off Rolls either, which would’ve been easy / cheap thing to do.

 

we both know he is far too professional  for any of that nonsense

[Fuber]

5 hours ago, DaveInSA said:

Steve Lansdown is the problem.

I was going to write a big long post. Then deleted it. 

You can slant your manager/head coach opinions any way you like based on what you’ve seen and some stats. Woohoo you go guys.

For me it always comes back to cyclical Steve.

 

Personally. Without JL and Tinns, I don't Alexander leaves. Just my 2 cents.