Two crap defeats have destroyed us, really?

[reddogkev]

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

[The Coach]

It’s not just the two results Kev. It’s the performances and trends from last season continuing into this season. While spending more than a fair few million and currently looking worse.

[marcofisher]

1 minute ago, The Coach said:

It’s not just the two results Kev. It’s the performances and trends from last season continuing into this season. While spending more than a fair few million and currently looking worse.

Lack of tactical awareness from the management as well.

[milo1111]

Next week is huge. The first six games are as easy as it gets in this division. Only 5 or 6 points from them would be a  dreadful return

[joe jordans teeth]

6 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

If if if I had a 12 inch penis then I would be a pornstar but sadly I am only packing 9 inches,they are undefeated at home but only played derby and Oxford who gave them a better game then we did 

[Barrs Court Red]

12 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

[Andy082005]

13 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

1 win all season and we almost threw that away 

this bloke is wayyyyyyy out of his depth and it’s been clear for a long time 

Take your head out the clouds. 

[Jose]

Competitive league? Anyone told our lot? 

[Shuffle]

The biggest issue for me is the lack of learning from the Derby game.  We’ve had two weeks to make us tougher to beat and to put out a balanced side.  To see the same mistakes made again today is a huge worry for me, as to replicate Derby was insane.  That doesn’t worry me it frightens the life out of me!

[Dastardly and Muttley]

We’ve conceded 3 goals on four occasions in our last six league games.

From a position of being one of the better defences in the league. 

We’ve won one in 5 this season. Go back over 10 league games and we have 13 points from 30. 

It’s not just two poor performances, it’s a lot more than that.

[Davefevs]

Just now, Dastardly and Muttley said:

We’ve conceded 3 goals on four occasions in our last six league games.

From a position of being one of the better defences in the league. 

We’ve won one in 5 this season. Go back over 10 league games and we have 13 points from 30. 

It’s not just two poor performances, it’s a lot more than that.

People will challenge your post with - “what about the good run we had before Stoke (final game)”, but they can be challenged back with - “what about the poor run before that”.

I know it’s boring as eff for some / many, but even during that run, people forget games like Sunderland where we were dominated and O’Leary was brilliant, or a pretty abject performance against Huddersfield where we got an injury time penalty.  I’m not saying we weren’t decent enough in that run, but we weren’t as good as many made out either.

 

[BCFCGav]

6 games in all comps this season, 1 win. It’s been a poor start.

[Sleepy1968]

8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

People will challenge your post with - “what about the good run we had before Stoke (final game)”, but they can be challenged back with - “what about the poor run before that”.

I know it’s boring as eff for some / many, but even during that run, people forget games like Sunderland where we were dominated and O’Leary was brilliant, or a pretty abject performance against Huddersfield where we got an injury time penalty.  I’m not saying we weren’t decent enough in that run, but we weren’t as good as many made out either.

 

And at the time we had nothing riding on results.

(Watching the Bournemouth game, just so I can see what (or who) we're missing ..)

Edited Saturday at 20:15 by Sleepy1968

[Club and Country]

47 minutes ago, reddogkev said:

 

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us

Story of my life supporting this club that 

[GrahamC]

51 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

The biggest issue for me is the lack of learning from the Derby game.  We’ve had two weeks to make us tougher to beat and to put out a balanced side.  To see the same mistakes made again today is a huge worry for me, as to replicate Derby was insane.  That doesn’t worry me it frightens the life out of me!

Manning said 3 times in his post match interview we need to get back to basics, twice that we need to be harder to score against.

Problem is he said exactly the same thing after Derby.

I work with a bloke who reckons Cornick is the problem, after Derby on here apparently it was Naismith.

Doesn’t look like it was, we have a clown as Director of Football & an idiot as Chairman.

Manning might go at some point but these two jokers will still be running the show & making a mess of it.

Edited Saturday at 20:34 by GrahamC

[Kodjias Wrist]

I’m sure it’s been mentioned but 2 x 3-0 defeats back to back has not happened for god knows how long. We had a really good defensive record last season and we have lost that. 
 

The players obviously aren’t buying into his ideas are they.

[Ecko]

1 hour ago, reddogkev said:

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

Spent all summer to sign a number 10. Then proceeds to play him on the left. Tactically inept and naive. 

[Davefevs]

Just now, Kodjias Wrist said:

I’m sure it’s been mentioned but 2 x 3-0 defeats back to back has not happened for god knows how long. We had a really good defensive record last season and we have lost that. 
 

The players obviously aren’t buying into his ideas are they.

They might be totally bought into it, but it could also be flawed ideas.

[Ivorguy]

We are doomed, I tell you, doomed

[Ivorguy]

2 hours ago, reddogkev said:

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

Your two key words are ‘but if’.  Frankly I don’t even share that level of optimism as long as Manning and Tinnion are judging and then setting up our players.  They are both tactically clueless and totally colourless.  Give me NP any day.

[BITW]

2 hours ago, The Coach said:

It’s not just the two results Kev. It’s the performances and trends from last season continuing into this season. While spending more than a fair few million and currently looking worse.

Early days and all that but I dare say Nige had us looking infinitely more solid with what he inherited and 0% of the Scott money Fair to say Manning has been backed fully and we look worse in every department. I challenge even the most optimistic of fans to explain the last two results. It’s a disgrace/disaster (take your pick.)

Edited Saturday at 22:19 by BITW

[Dastardly and Muttley]

Just now, BITW said:

Early days and all that but I dare say Nige had us looking infinitely more solid with what he inherited and 0% of the Scott money Fair to say Manning has been backed fully and we look worse in every department. I challenge even the most optimistic of fans to explain the last two results. It’s a disgrace/disaster (take your pick.)

2 poor results isn’t a disaster. That can happen to anybody in this division.

It’s the ongoing issues which are there after wins, draws and defeats which just prove he’s not up to it.

Like for like substitutions, usually at scripted points around the 60th and 80th minute.

Poor second half performances.

Playing Twine on the left.

Signing a set piece specialist and frequently taking short corners.

Sometimes, we might get a result but that’s because we actually have a decent squad, not because we have a decent manager.

[BITW]

2 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

2 poor results isn’t a disaster. That can happen to anybody in this division.

It’s the ongoing issues which are there after wins, draws and defeats which just prove he’s not up to it.

Like for like substitutions, usually at scripted points around the 60th and 80th minute.

Poor second half performances.

Playing Twine on the left.

Signing a set piece specialist and frequently taking short corners.

Sometimes, we might get a result but that’s because we actually have a decent squad, not because we have a decent manager.

I like to think I’m quite level headed in the grand scheme of things. I agree with what you say..  I also believe people would be foaming at the mouth if Nige lost two games on the bounce 3-0 with this squad. I’m sure a bit of “time on the grass” will sort it though. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

I’m sure it’s been mentioned but 2 x 3-0 defeats back to back has not happened for god knows how long. We had a really good defensive record last season and we have lost that. 
 

The players obviously aren’t buying into his ideas are they.

League Only. Back to the days of the Millen/McInnes season.

February 2012 (I went through it all).

When we had a ground with 2 very old stands, no HPC, a moderately productive at best Academy, no notable Commercial Revenue streams.

[The dastardly red]

It's the pure stupidity. We sack a very decent manager who knew what he was doing, a proven manager who was actually making headway here and we gamble on a manager with no Championship experience and give him money to spend, money we were told wasn't needed. It's infuriating, with this financial backing NP would've had us competing top 6 properly, if not promoted one season then back to challenge again the next and for us to be a serious Championship side, not this groundhog bullshit back to square one dreamy nonsense . Yeah yeah it's all been said before but it's true, so it's going to be said until this club sorts itself out. Sacking was a disgrace.

[EX8 Red]

26 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

2 poor results isn’t a disaster. That can happen to anybody in this division.

It’s the ongoing issues which are there after wins, draws and defeats which just prove he’s not up to it.

Like for like substitutions, usually at scripted points around the 60th and 80th minute.

Poor second half performances.

Playing Twine on the left.

Signing a set piece specialist and frequently taking short corners.

Sometimes, we might get a result but that’s because we actually have a decent squad, not because we have a decent manager.

Agree with all of this.

Does seem an odd one using like for like substitutions.My wife has even worked out when he’s likely to make them, so opposition managers must be able to read him like a book.Doesnt get the opposition thinking does it? Lots of games are won by using inspired or tactical substitutions. 
Probably has a lot to do with our 2nd half performances as nothing really changes.

Lots of possession,but not doing an awful lot with it.

[Harry]

The reason Blackburn are 2nd is because we gave them 3 points and a +3 GD today. 
Without that they’d be 10th. 
 

I won’t be using the position of the opposition in any arguments for or against what we do or where we are. 

[Ian Pople]

3 hours ago, reddogkev said:

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

You serious?

[OJ009]

3 hours ago, Shuffle said:

The biggest issue for me is the lack of learning from the Derby game.  We’ve had two weeks to make us tougher to beat and to put out a balanced side.  To see the same mistakes made again today is a huge worry for me, as to replicate Derby was insane.  That doesn’t worry me it frightens the life out of me!

Seconded. We were very poor at Derby and I suspect even Doris the tea lady expected a response today. Well there was no response, only more rolling over and showing our belly. Nothing was learnt it seems. Oxford now is a must win to show everyone that there is some fight in us. Another limp performance and serious questions would need to be asked.

[EX8 Red]

I thought we were fortunate to be able to get Nige to agree to be Manager. I liked him and he gave it straight,rather than the flannel we hear from the current and some of the previous managers.

I'm still embarrassed the club got shot of him,He turned things around and got players believing in themselves. This seems to have disappeared already.

Manning will be given more time. We have invested and made a number of signings.We do need a win on Saturday but that’s no guarantee against a side on the up. Jury is quite out on him for me.

[Shauntaylor85]

3 hours ago, BCFCGav said:

6 games in all comps this season, 1 win. It’s been a poor start.

Poor? Abysmal considering the top 6 target 

[The Masked Man]

What's really frustrating is that we have some great players but are operating at a level that is far less than the sum of the parts. Manning has been heavily backed but now has no idea on how to set the team up to get the most of the players. It feels like he tries to shoehorn new players in rather than pick the best XI for the game. If he wanted City to play it out the back today he should have played Naismith on the left. McNally doesn't look like a ball playing centre half and didn't look particularly comfortable playing as the left centre back. The pursuit of Twine was pointless if we're going to persist with Bird at 10. The only positives today were that Armstrong and Hirakawa both looked bright but by that point Blackburn had already won the game. We have more than enough talent in the squad, the question is how much does the manager have. 

[YorkshireSection]

How much of that performance was down to the manor of which their first goal was scored, it certainly didn’t help giving them a goal and heads are physically down and for good reason that was nothing short of comical.

[Back of the Dolman]

8 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said:

How much of that performance was down to the manor of which their first goal was scored, it certainly didn’t help giving them a goal and heads are physically down and for good reason that was nothing short of comical.

But you can’t crumble after conceding a poor goal.

It has to be put behind them and go again.

I do think this side lacks leaders but if the nature of the first goal was enough to put in that performance then this squad is even weaker than I thought it was.

personally I don’t put that performance down to the first goal 

[Davefevs]

20 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said:

personally I don’t put that performance down to the first goal

Nor me, we were all over the place anyway.

[pillred]

1 hour ago, YorkshireSection said:

How much of that performance was down to the manor of which their first goal was scored, it certainly didn’t help giving them a goal and heads are physically down and for good reason that was nothing short of comical.

I wasn't laughing.

[Superjack]

5 hours ago, The dastardly red said:

It's the pure stupidity. We sack a very decent manager who knew what he was doing, a proven manager who was actually making headway here and we gamble on a manager with no Championship experience and give him money to spend, money we were told wasn't needed. It's infuriating, with this financial backing NP would've had us competing top 6 properly, if not promoted one season then back to challenge again the next and for us to be a serious Championship side, not this groundhog bullshit back to square one dreamy nonsense . Yeah yeah it's all been said before but it's true, so it's going to be said until this club sorts itself out. Sacking was a disgrace.

Not aimed at you necessarily, but a few of us (maybe you too) have been saying this since said disgrace.

Long overdue that the majority kicked up about it.

[Tomo]

8 hours ago, BCFCGav said:

6 games in all comps this season, 1 win. It’s been a poor start.

Equivalent to 0.83PPG if you include the cup game.

[Slack Bladder]

Manning is a one trick pony

He is incapable of changing us tactically during a game.

Why do you think we are always worse in the 2nd half?

Because the opposition manager has sussed us out and made tactical changes to win the game

[cidered abroad]

10 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Manning said 3 times in his post match interview we need to get back to basics, twice that we need to be harder to score against.

Problem is he said exactly the same thing after Derby.

I work with a bloke who reckons Cornick is the problem, after Derby on here apparently it was Naismith.

Doesn’t look like it was, we have a clown as Director of Football & an idiot as Chairman.

Manning might go at some point but these two jokers will still be running the show & making a mess of it.

And exactly the same after the walloping at Stoke in the last match of last season.

[Lack of Action Man]

11 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

And exactly the same after the walloping at Stoke in the last match of last season.

We’ve got to be world class at the basics… now, where have I heard that before?

[formerly known as ivan]

His refusal to play to strikers even when needing to chase a game is unbelievable! Plan A, start One if either Mayulu or Armstrong, plan B is to replace one with the other.

When the second goes in after 55mins, why is Wells not coming on for a midfielder? Or change the system completely?

Everything is so like for like it’s ridiculous.

[The Humble Realist]

11 hours ago, milo1111 said:

Next week is huge. The first six games are as easy as it gets in this division. Only 5 or 6 points from them would be a  dreadful return

I agree although during Mannings tenure we tend to do better against the better teams so maybe it's not so doom and gloom....or am i clutching at straws a bit!!!

[MarcusX]

12 hours ago, reddogkev said:

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

For me it’s more that we’ve had a couple of half decent results with good spells of play and perhaps the bad spells were outliers and we were close to getting it right.

Now after 6 games it looks like perhaps the good spells were the outlier because there’s certainly been more of the bad.

[MarcusX]

1 hour ago, Slack Bladder said:

Manning is a one trick pony

He is incapable of changing us tactically during a game.

Why do you think we are always worse in the 2nd half?

Because the opposition manager has sussed us out and made tactical changes to win the game

Yesterday the manager sussed us out before the game even started, he knew exactly what we were going to do.

[BigTone]

12 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

If if if I had a 12 inch penis then I would be a pornstar but sadly I am only packing 9 inches,they are undefeated at home but only played derby and Oxford who gave them a better game then we did 

Mine is exactly 12 inches but I tend not to use it as a rule.

[westonred]

12 hours ago, Davefevs said:

People will challenge your post with - “what about the good run we had before Stoke (final game)”, but they can be challenged back with - “what about the poor run before that”.

I know it’s boring as eff for some / many, but even during that run, people forget games like Sunderland where we were dominated and O’Leary was brilliant, or a pretty abject performance against Huddersfield where we got an injury time penalty.  I’m not saying we weren’t decent enough in that run, but we weren’t as good as many made out either.

 

I'm sick of hearing about the good run we had before the Stoke game We were lucky against Rotherham but should have won against Norwich, lucky to get a point at Huddersfield and Sunderland we were outstanding against Blackburn but not convincing against Plymouth so although we had a unbeaten run of 6 matches we were hardly worldbeaters and lucky in a few of those games then came crashing down to earth at Stoke 

[Alessandro]

The concern for me is what many of us seem to have seen coming - if you put inexperience (or incompetence - choose your poison) in the top positions of any club or business - when things get tough you have zero experience or wisdom to fall back on.

None of the current board have the qualifications or experience to run this show - our manager is a pretty much pedigree-less lower league gamble. No other club would do or have done this as a model for success.

The club have stripped out all the players (and management) that had premier league and promotion experience - Weimann, James, King, Pearson, Euell, Alexander, Rennie etc etc.

Do we have any players that have played a game in the premier league? One maybe? The board doesn’t have any top level experience, the head coach doesn’t have any, the physio doesn’t have any.

In any walk of life or any business - that doesn’t make a huge amount of sense, putting it politely. 

I’m not saying we’re going down and all is doom and gloom, but we’re still miles off where we should be and fighting at the wrong end of the table already. 

Edited Sunday at 08:34 by Alessandro

[PFree]

It’s not just two bad results though, is it?

We are two points outside the relegation zone and have won one out of six competitive games this season, you can also argue we were lucky to get that one win.

Saying our players were “being lauded” just a couple of games ago is absolute bo11ocks. I sincerely hope LM can turn it around but I have a horrible Lee Johnson type fear, too inflexible and who “talked technical” in excuses which always switches fans off.

 One trip pony is my concern, inexperienced, and who appears well out of his depth sadly.

For me, I said in another thread, I am bothered that I am not bothered what’s happening right now, but as ST of a few decades, will still come to the Gate on Saturday against Oxford, who are 10 places above us in the league right now, so what does that say..

[BeggyBlaggers]

After Derby, the lansdown dogsh*t sandwich scoffers were saying its only 1 defeat in 4 league games...

 

Well its 3 defeats in 6 games this season - all 3 we failed to score in.

 

We have conceded 3 goals in 3 of those 6 games - manning needs to realise his behaviours and practises do not suit either the players or the championship. 

 

After 40 games in charge, ive seen enough to suggest he is not cut out for the job.

[SydneyCity]

Taking a step back, every single one of these players - simply by having made it this far in a ridiculously competitive global talent pool - is an extremely talented footballer. As fans we can, and should, debate where they sit on the extremely talented scale… but they’re all pretty handy.

I guess where I’m going with this is, as high standard professional players, they can pass a ball. The fact that they haven’t been able to for a few games now, suggests it’s the set-up. We’ve given away some ridiculous goals in the past few weeks by simply passing the ball to the opposition. If it happens once, it’s an individual error. If it happens multiple times, its instructions to pass it regardless and the structure being such that none of our players are able to show for the ball.

I’m going to highlight Sykes here - because he getting a lot of stick and I used to love his (and Pring’s) marauding runs. He has shown his talent for us, and internationally. He has no options in this setup. I’m going to flip it around and suggest Syke’s is copping it at the moment because he is the only one doing something worth talking about (and Sinclair, I guess). Watching yesterday on Robin’s TV, how many times were our players doing anything positive, worthy of being mentioned by name. They weren’t. They were anonymous, slow and facing the wrong way for almost all of the game. Yes, Sykes had a tough time yesterday but anyone in that position would. Hirakawa starting in that game would have equally struggled as the setup works against them from the start.

Don’t get me started on swapping Fally out at half-time either. An attacking player with no service is not the reason we’re playing badly.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, SydneyCity said:

I’m going to highlight Sykes here - because he getting a lot of stick and I used to love his (and Pring’s) marauding runs. He has shown his talent for us, and internationally. He has no options in this setup. I’m going to flip it around and suggest Syke’s is copping it at the moment because he is the only one doing something worth talking about (and Sinclair, I guess). Watching yesterday on Robin’s TV, how many times were our players doing anything positive, worthy of being mentioned by name. They weren’t. They were anonymous, slow and facing the wrong way for almost all of the game. Yes, Sykes had a tough time yesterday but anyone in that position would. Hirakawa starting in that game would have equally struggled as the setup works against them from the start.

I made that exact point on OSIB this morning (should be out soon).

1 hour ago, SydneyCity said:

Don’t get me started on swapping Fally out at half-time either. An attacking player with no service is not the reason we’re playing badly.

And that point too.

[steviestevieneville]

16 hours ago, reddogkev said:

The attitude feels far too negative, and maybe that's understandable after today, but these two results shouldn't be used to bash anyone, even LM.

Yes, a brace of 3-0 defeats looks and feels crap, especially with the manner of performance, but if we get a win next weekend and then grab a few draws , we'll be moving on and putting these games behind us.

Our Championship is the most competitive league in Europe, so let's get a longer run of games and see what happens.

Look at the table, Blackburn are second and I think undefeated at home, so perhaps the loss isn't as shocking as it seems?

Next game at Oxford is absolutely massive now though, can't wait for it.

One of the most deluded posts I’ve ever read 

[steviestevieneville]

2 hours ago, SydneyCity said:

Taking a step back, every single one of these players - simply by having made it this far in a ridiculously competitive global talent pool - is an extremely talented footballer. As fans we can, and should, debate where they sit on the extremely talented scale… but they’re all pretty handy.

I guess where I’m going with this is, as high standard professional players, they can pass a ball. The fact that they haven’t been able to for a few games now, suggests it’s the set-up. We’ve given away some ridiculous goals in the past few weeks by simply passing the ball to the opposition. If it happens once, it’s an individual error. If it happens multiple times, its instructions to pass it regardless and the structure being such that none of our players are able to show for the ball.

I’m going to highlight Sykes here - because he getting a lot of stick and I used to love his (and Pring’s) marauding runs. He has shown his talent for us, and internationally. He has no options in this setup. I’m going to flip it around and suggest Syke’s is copping it at the moment because he is the only one doing something worth talking about (and Sinclair, I guess). Watching yesterday on Robin’s TV, how many times were our players doing anything positive, worthy of being mentioned by name. They weren’t. They were anonymous, slow and facing the wrong way for almost all of the game. Yes, Sykes had a tough time yesterday but anyone in that position would. Hirakawa starting in that game would have equally struggled as the setup works against them from the start.

Don’t get me started on swapping Fally out at half-time either. An attacking player with no service is not the reason we’re playing badly.

Regarding Sykes , I wrote the same on the Match day thread yesterday. He, along with all of our front 4 are playing with their backs to goal . Sykes is a winger & likes to run at his full back . He’s not being given the chance in this set up . Fans blaming him are clueless imo singling him out . Nobody played well . He brought bird in to be a play maker but is playing with his back to goal . Manning is shoehorning players into the side . I find it remarkable managers still do this . He has to leave one of them out to get the balance right . I wasn’t twines biggest fan last season & never thought he was the right player for us , he goes missing & certainly isn’t up for the fight. He has to play him though because of the noise around signing him . It’s a mess 

Edited Sunday at 11:45 by steviestevieneville

[W-S-M Seagull]

5 hours ago, Slack Bladder said:

Manning is a one trick pony

He is incapable of changing us tactically during a game.

Why do you think we are always worse in the 2nd half?

Because the opposition manager has sussed us out and made tactical changes to win the game

 

4 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said:

His refusal to play to strikers even when needing to chase a game is unbelievable! Plan A, start One if either Mayulu or Armstrong, plan B is to replace one with the other.

When the second goes in after 55mins, why is Wells not coming on for a midfielder? Or change the system completely?

Everything is so like for like it’s ridiculous.

I said on here yesterday that the problem with Manning is that he only has plan a. He has so much belief in plan a that when it doesn't work, it's not the plan that is wrong, it's the execution of the plan that is wrong. 

He doesn't feel the need of a plan b or c because his mindset is that if players execute the plan then the plan will work. 

Yesterday he spoke about his non negotiable such as players running. If you're a player and it's clear the plan isn't working, you're not going to bust a gut. 

On last nights MOTD Danny Murphy said "you have to be able to vary your game depending on the opposition" that's something Manning is unable to do. 

 

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

He has so much belief in plan a that when it doesn't work, it's not the plan that is wrong, it's the execution of the plan that is wrong. 

Yep, and we hear that mantra from him in post match interviews.  I prepared them well, the plan was great, etc.

[bearded_red]

Liam Manning was appointed on the 7th November, it really really isn’t ’two crap defeats’.

[OJ009]

On 15/09/2024 at 08:28, The Humble Realist said:

I agree although during Mannings tenure we tend to do better against the better teams so maybe it's not so doom and gloom....or am i clutching at straws a bit!!!

You accept a defeat to a Leeds or Burnley. But we have to be beating your Hulls, Derbys and Oxfords.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

On 15/09/2024 at 08:56, BigTone said:

Mine is exactly 12 inches but I tend not to use it as a rule.

I'd love a 12" tallywacker, but I'm not chopping it in half for anyone.

[hertsexile]

[CyderInACan]

On 15/09/2024 at 09:32, Alessandro said:

The board doesn’t have any top level experience

Let's face it - we haven't got a "Board" have we. It's Crayons & Gav. Hardly a hive of dynamism, is it! 

[A Horse With No Name]

On 15/09/2024 at 08:28, The Humble Realist said:

I agree although during Mannings tenure we tend to do better against the better teams so maybe it's not so doom and gloom....or am i clutching at straws a bit!!!

Hopefully, because when we are bottom, every team is a better side 

[Fuber]

On 14/09/2024 at 20:35, milo1111 said:

Next week is huge. The first six games are as easy as it gets in this division. Only 5 or 6 points from them would be a  dreadful return

If we fail to beat Oxford, and then we're in the thick of it already imo.

Don't see us picking up points against likes of Watford, Leeds, Burnley coming up.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

4 hours ago, CyderInACan said:

Let's face it - we haven't got a "Board" have we. It's Crayons & Gav. Hardly a hive of dynamism, is it! 

We'd be better of with a cheese board.

[Dullmoan Tone]

On 14/09/2024 at 23:59, The dastardly red said:

It's the pure stupidity. We sack a very decent manager who knew what he was doing, a proven manager who was actually making headway here

I just don’t understand this narrative- Pearson’s win percentage in his last year was 36% - the previous year with Scott (and maybe Semenyo for at least part of it) two exceptional talents - it was 31%.

These statistics suggest he was not going to take us up or even make us top 6.

[Davefevs]

9 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

I just don’t understand this narrative- Pearson’s win percentage in his last year was 36% - the previous year with Scott (and maybe Semenyo for at least part of it) two exceptional talents - it was 31%.

These statistics suggest he was not going to take us up or even make us top 6.

Because those aren’t the “stats” you look at when you’re trying to assess how someone is building (rebuilding) a team from a mess.  He’s developing players, risking results in the process as he builds a “team”, making do with players to save money, using experienced pros to guide young-uns, etc.

 

(edit: can’t believe it needed that context explained)

Edited Monday at 18:22 by Davefevs

[Sir Geoff]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Because those aren’t the “stats” you look at when you’re trying to assess how someone is building (rebuilding) a team from a mess.  He’s developing players, risking results in the process as he builds a “team”, making do with players to save money, using experienced pros to guide young-uns, etc.

 

(edit: can’t believe it needed that context explained)

Incredible after 10 months and endless posts on here explaining what many could see with their own eyes that some posters still don't get it.