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Steve took the chairman’s (main ownership) in 2002, below is the history of his mangers - 

Liam Manning 07/11/13 to present. Win percentage = 31.71 %. Honours = nothing.

Nigel Pearson 24/02/21 to 29/10/23. Win percentage = 32.06%. Honours = nothing.

Dean Holden 05/07/20 to 24/02/21. Win percentage = 44.2%. Honours = nothing.

Lee Johnson 07/02/16 to 05/07/20. Win percentage = 31.7%. Honours = nothing.

John Pemberton 14/01/15 to 07/02/16 = win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing 

Steve Cotterill 03/12/13 to 14/01/15. Win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = Division 1 champions 14/15. Football league trophy winners 14/15.

Sean O'Driscoll 14/03/13 to 28/11/13. Win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing. 

Derek McInnes 19/10/11  to 13/01/13. Win percentage = 26.98%. Honours = nothing.

Keith Millen 12/08/10 to 03/10/11. Win percentage = 31.58%. Honours = nothing.

Steve Coppell 11/05/10 to 12/08/10 = win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = nothing. 

Keith Millen 18/03/10 to 11/05/10. Win percentage = 55.56%. Honours = nothing.

Gary Johnson 26/09/05 to 18/03/10. Win percentage = 40.17%. Honours = Divsion 1 runners up 06/07.

Keith Millen 11/09/05 to 26/09/05. Win percentage = 33.33%. Honours = nothing.

Brian Tinnion 05/06/04 to 11/09/04. Win percentage = 36.07%. Honours = promoted to director of football…

Danny Wilson 27/06/00 05/06/04. Win percentage = 47.35%. Honours = football league trophy winners 02/03.

What a list…

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9 minutes ago, Ziderarmy said:

Steve took the chairman’s (main ownership) in 2002, below is the history of his mangers - 

Liam Manning 07/11/13 to present. Win percentage = 31.71 %. Honours = nothing.

Nigel Pearson 24/02/21 to 29/10/23. Win percentage = 32.06%. Honours = nothing.

Dean Holden 05/07/20 to 24/02/21. Win percentage = 44.2%. Honours = nothing.

Lee Johnson 07/02/16 to 05/07/20. Win percentage = 31.7%. Honours = nothing.

John Pemberton 14/01/15 to 07/02/16 = win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing 

Steve Cotterill 03/12/13 to 14/01/15. Win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = Division 1 champions 14/15. Football league trophy winners 14/15.

Sean O'Driscoll 14/03/13 to 28/11/13. Win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing. 

Derek McInnes 19/10/11  to 13/01/13. Win percentage = 26.98%. Honours = nothing.

Keith Millen 12/08/10 to 03/10/11. Win percentage = 31.58%. Honours = nothing.

Steve Coppell 11/05/10 to 12/08/10 = win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = nothing. 

Keith Millen 18/03/10 to 11/05/10. Win percentage = 55.56%. Honours = nothing.

Gary Johnson 26/09/05 to 18/03/10. Win percentage = 40.17%. Honours = Divsion 1 runners up 06/07.

Keith Millen 11/09/05 to 26/09/05. Win percentage = 33.33%. Honours = nothing.

Brian Tinnion 05/06/04 to 11/09/04. Win percentage = 36.07%. Honours = promoted to director of football…

Danny Wilson 27/06/00 05/06/04. Win percentage = 47.35%. Honours = football league trophy winners 02/03.

What a list…

A list is a list but context is everything.

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Ziderarmy

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3 minutes ago, shelts said:

He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . 
We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . 
Can’t always get it right !!

Ps - if you mean Lansdown as “He”, then sadly your kinda wrong. Cotts wasn’t one he selected. Was Keith Dawe who wanted him.

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23 minutes ago, shelts said:

He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . 
We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . 
Can’t always get it right !!

The stadium is nice. 
But he ballsed up on the plans to build a better one. 
It’s not in the top tier in the country and certainly nowhere near the top tier in the world. 
 

The training ground is nice. But again, it’s not top tier in this country. It’s not state of the art. That would refer to an absolute top tier facility. It’s nice. It’s not state of the art. 
 

The 2 things he’s built are both very nice. But they both could’ve been so much better. It’s almost like Steve had to settle for 2nd best in the projects - similar to the football side of things 

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38 minutes ago, shelts said:

He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . 
We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . 
Can’t always get it right !!

State of the art????? Calm down.

He paid for a nice looking shed with some mod cons and pitches that are ruining our players!

State of the art? An improvement on before, yes, but nowhere near "state of the art".

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6 minutes ago, Harry said:

The stadium is nice. 
But he ballsed up on the plans to build a better one. 
It’s not in the top tier in the country and certainly nowhere near the top tier in the world. 
 

The training ground is nice. But again, it’s not top tier in this country. It’s not state of the art. That would refer to an absolute top tier facility. It’s nice. It’s not state of the art. 
 

The 2 things he’s built are both very nice. But they both could’ve been so much better. It’s almost like Steve had to settle for 2nd best in the projects - similar to the football side of things 

Ok . Point taken . Better than what we had but not top class . I’d love to know his thoughts and who they modelled both ground and training facilities on . 

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3 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

State of the art????? Calm down.

He paid for a nice looking shed with some few mod cons and pitches that are ruining our players!

State of the art? An improvement on before, yes, but nowhere near "state ofvthe art".

Ok an upgrade . I stand corrected . I thought it was all singing and dancing 

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9 minutes ago, Harry said:

The stadium is nice. 
But he ballsed up on the plans to build a better one. 
It’s not in the top tier in the country and certainly nowhere near the top tier in the world. 
 

The training ground is nice. But again, it’s not top tier in this country. It’s not state of the art. That would refer to an absolute top tier facility. It’s nice. It’s not state of the art. 
 

The 2 things he’s built are both very nice. But they both could’ve been so much better. It’s almost like Steve had to settle for 2nd best in the projects - similar to the football side of things 

The Sporting Quarter could be of long term benefit to us if he can get it done.

The interactive is good to impressive IMO but...

I agree with most of your post, it is probably PL standard but not Top Tier, but unlucky with Ashton Vale?

I've always thought we under SL should perhaps have gone for Category One Academy status too, but have been told on here by varied psotrds that it is unnecessary. I see it as a marker of striving for excellence in all areas at all times.

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5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The Sporting Quarter could be of long term benefit to us if he can get it done.

The interactive is good to impressive IMO but...

I agree with most of your post, it is probably PL standard but not Top Tier, but unlucky with Ashton Vale?

I've always thought we under SL should perhaps have gone for Category One Academy status too, but have been told on here by varied psotrds that it is unnecessary. I see it as a marker of striving for excellence in all areas at all times.

Our capacity is the 33rd biggest in England. The Ashton Vale plans would have put us 12th. 
It’s not a Premier League stadium. 
If we were in the Prem this year we’d have the 17th highest capacity. And in fact with the stupid segregation cutting the actual seats available, it would be 18th behind Palace. Only Fulham (just) & Bournemouth below. 
 

I know it’s not all about capacity. We have a nice stadium now. It’s not Premier League. AV would have been. 
But he effed it up. 

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11 minutes ago, Harry said:

Our capacity is the 33rd biggest in England. The Ashton Vale plans would have put us 12th. 
It’s not a Premier League stadium. 
If we were in the Prem this year we’d have the 17th highest capacity. And in fact with the stupid segregation cutting the actual seats available, it would be 18th behind Palace. Only Fulham (just) & Bournemouth below. 
 

I know it’s not all about capacity. We have a nice stadium now. It’s not Premier League. AV would have been. 
But he effed it up. 

What should we have done differently in respect of Ashton Vale? Had we kept going, do we win?

The Segregation is (feels) a nonsense and unnecessary, think we agree there. Club really should try and push back a bit of possible.

I suppose does it tick certain boxes ie Kenilworth Road needed £10m spent to get up to PL standard, think Portman Road needed a bit.

What about a Cat 1 Academy or is that a Red Herring?

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6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

What should we have done differently in respect of Ashton Vale? Had we kept going, do we win?

The Segregation is (feels) a nonsense and unnecessary, think we agree there. Club really should try and push back a bit of possible.

I suppose does it tick certain boxes ie Kenilworth Road needed £10m spent to get up to PL standard, think Portman Road needed a bit.

What about a Cat 1 Academy or is that a Red Herring?

Erect signs & fencing upon purchase stating private land to avoid a village green claim or at least bring people out of the woodwork early

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1 hour ago, shelts said:

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Cotts was Keith Dawe's recommendation and lansdown went with it. Probably always bugged him that he wasn't his choice & no doubt made the decision to get rid much easier. In fact he probably took great pleasure in having the power. 

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2 hours ago, shelts said:

He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . 
We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . 
Can’t always get it right !!

Biggest mistake he ever made not backing  cotts and giving the wedge to the bullshitter.

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1 hour ago, JAWS said:

Cotts was Keith Dawe's recommendation and lansdown went with it. Probably always bugged him that he wasn't his choice & no doubt made the decision to get rid much easier. In fact he probably took great pleasure in having the power. 

I’d have the final say on most things if I was putting in that much money . 
One of the better appointments for sure and a great promotion season . 
You could be right about it bugging him , he’s a winner in business and might well scratch his head about some of his appointments. 

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9 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Absolutely mad that Manning's win percentage is lower than Pearsons when you consider their respective starting points 

Is it ? I’d say this is irritatingly predictable.

Manning is a no mark who’s only claim to fame is coaching city football group youth players (mostly at their lesser clubs abroad).

But oh well he is weak, quiet and will not dare question the ‘wisdom’ of the all mighty ownership of Bristol sport so get the cheque book out lads and have at it.

The only word I have to describe the repeated actions of our ownership is moronic.

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Not sure theres much point in highlighting the 'honours' when the realism is we arent going to win the league or FA cup and since Lansdowns sole ownership in 2002, we have been in the championship 16 seasons - so overall, we are a stable championship club with limited 'honours' to play for.

 

Its a shame the useless ego maniac constantly picks or backs the wrong manager

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3 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

Absolutely mad that Manning's win percentage is lower than Pearsons when you consider their respective starting points 

His points per match is marginally better though. Manning on 1.24, Pearson finished on 1.20. Because Pearson's loss percentage (44.3%) is higher than Manning's (39%) I'm not going to argue that a 3.3% improvement in PPM is good enough, but it's a fairer metric to judge on than the simplistic win percentage used by OP. These numbers treat cup games as league games, so cover all comps, to be consistent with @Ziderarmy's method.

In the league only Manning actually has 1.28 PPM to Pearson's 1.18 PPM, an 8% improvement. But. Context, etc, yada yada, just read all the threads from the past 12 months etc.

OP has also tragically omitted mention of our greatest ever Lansdown manager - Curtis Fleming. All hail he of the 100% win record, 100% clean sheets, average net xG per game of 0.43, shots per game 17, shots on target per game 7. A glorious era in our recent history that too many gloss over.

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11 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said:

Did holden really have a 44% win percentage?

Including cup games probably. But it was a still pretty good 40% in the league only. And 1.34 points per match (in the league), considerably more than both Pearson and Manning. 

Problem was, he also had a whopping 45.7% loss % in the league (a stat omitted by OP but which is arguably more important than win % as it's the only result that you get no reward for). He also massively frontloaded his wins. Of the 47 points he collected across his 36 league games 32 came in the first 18 games and only 15 in the second 18 games.

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17 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

his points per match is marginally better though. Manning on 1.24, Pearson finished on 1.20. Because Pearson's loss percentage (44.3%) is higher than Manning's (39%) I'm not going to argue that a 3.3% improvement in PPM is good enough, but it's a fairer metric to judge on than the simplistic win percentage used by OP. These numbers treat cup games as league games, so cover all comps, to be consistent with @Ziderarmy's method.

In the league only Manning actually has 1.28 PPM to Pearson's 1.18 PPM, an 8% improvement. But. Context, etc, yada yada, just read all the threads from the past 12 months etc.

OP has also tragically omitted mention of our greatest ever Lansdown manager - Curtis Fleming. All hail he of the 100% win record, 100% clean sheets, average net xG per game of 0.43, shots per game 17, shots on target per game 7. A glorious era in our recent history that too many gloss over.

 

He was superb. Promotion form. What’s he doing now? 

3 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Including cup games probably. But it was a still pretty good 40% in the league only. And 1.34 points per match (in the league), considerably more than both Pearson and Manning. 

Problem was, he also had a whopping 45.7% loss % in the league (a stat omitted by OP but which is arguably more important than win % as it's the only result that you get no reward for). He also massively frontloaded his wins. Of the 47 points he collected across his 36 league games 32 came in the first 18 games and only 15 in the second 18 games.

@ExiledAjax could you please do the same list with PPG be interesting to see. Thanks 

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20 minutes ago, Ziderarmy said:

@ExiledAjax could you please do the same list with PPG be interesting to see. Thanks

Bit busy today.

But, cup games included, Johnson had 1.41. Arguably that makes him the greatest manager of recent times right? Not as good as the 1.67 of Cotterill of course, but he had league 1 opposition to pad the numbers right?

Look, I don't put much by this kind of thing tbh. It's interesting, but there's souch context behind the numbers that it's not even comparing apples and oranges - more like comparing apples and elephants.

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11 hours ago, Ziderarmy said:

Steve took the chairman’s (main ownership) in 2002, below is the history of his mangers - 

Liam Manning 07/11/13 to present. Win percentage = 31.71 %. Honours = nothing.

Nigel Pearson 24/02/21 to 29/10/23. Win percentage = 32.06%. Honours = nothing.

Dean Holden 05/07/20 to 24/02/21. Win percentage = 44.2%. Honours = nothing.

Lee Johnson 07/02/16 to 05/07/20. Win percentage = 31.7%. Honours = nothing.

John Pemberton 14/01/15 to 07/02/16 = win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing 

Steve Cotterill 03/12/13 to 14/01/15. Win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = Division 1 champions 14/15. Football league trophy winners 14/15.

Sean O'Driscoll 14/03/13 to 28/11/13. Win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing. 

Derek McInnes 19/10/11  to 13/01/13. Win percentage = 26.98%. Honours = nothing.

Keith Millen 12/08/10 to 03/10/11. Win percentage = 31.58%. Honours = nothing.

Steve Coppell 11/05/10 to 12/08/10 = win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = nothing. 

Keith Millen 18/03/10 to 11/05/10. Win percentage = 55.56%. Honours = nothing.

Gary Johnson 26/09/05 to 18/03/10. Win percentage = 40.17%. Honours = Divsion 1 runners up 06/07.

Keith Millen 11/09/05 to 26/09/05. Win percentage = 33.33%. Honours = nothing.

Brian Tinnion 05/06/04 to 11/09/04. Win percentage = 36.07%. Honours = promoted to director of football…

Danny Wilson 27/06/00 05/06/04. Win percentage = 47.35%. Honours = football league trophy winners 02/03.

What a list…

Yep, what a list!

So in all that time just 3 good pics Gary J, Cotts and Nige.

Not good enough...

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11 hours ago, Ziderarmy said:

Steve took the chairman’s (main ownership) in 2002, below is the history of his mangers - 

Liam Manning 07/11/13 to present. Win percentage = 31.71 %. Honours = nothing.

Nigel Pearson 24/02/21 to 29/10/23. Win percentage = 32.06%. Honours = nothing.

Dean Holden 05/07/20 to 24/02/21. Win percentage = 44.2%. Honours = nothing.

Lee Johnson 07/02/16 to 05/07/20. Win percentage = 31.7%. Honours = nothing.

John Pemberton 14/01/15 to 07/02/16 = win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing 

Steve Cotterill 03/12/13 to 14/01/15. Win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = Division 1 champions 14/15. Football league trophy winners 14/15.

Sean O'Driscoll 14/03/13 to 28/11/13. Win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing. 

Derek McInnes 19/10/11  to 13/01/13. Win percentage = 26.98%. Honours = nothing.

Keith Millen 12/08/10 to 03/10/11. Win percentage = 31.58%. Honours = nothing.

Steve Coppell 11/05/10 to 12/08/10 = win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = nothing. 

Keith Millen 18/03/10 to 11/05/10. Win percentage = 55.56%. Honours = nothing.

Gary Johnson 26/09/05 to 18/03/10. Win percentage = 40.17%. Honours = Divsion 1 runners up 06/07.

Keith Millen 11/09/05 to 26/09/05. Win percentage = 33.33%. Honours = nothing.

Brian Tinnion 05/06/04 to 11/09/04. Win percentage = 36.07%. Honours = promoted to director of football…

Danny Wilson 27/06/00 05/06/04. Win percentage = 47.35%. Honours = football league trophy winners 02/03.

What a list…

You can take cotts out of that list . He wasn’t lansdowns choice 

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10 hours ago, JAWS said:

Erect signs & fencing upon purchase stating private land to avoid a village green claim or at least bring people out of the woodwork early

I don't defend Steve very often, but in fairness to him, he pays planning consultants and lawyers to advise him on stuff like that and he was clearly poorly advised... 

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9 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Biggest mistake he ever made not backing  cotts and giving the wedge to the bullshitter.

It was a weird time that first season back . We had so much momentum but lost that pretty quickly, promotion bounce !!

 

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51 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't defend Steve very often, but in fairness to him, he pays planning consultants and lawyers to advise him on stuff like that and he was clearly poorly advised... 

Yes I do agree on that Kid. Not sure who is appointed but that's basics

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Yes I do agree on that Kid. Not sure who is appointed but that's basics

who HE appointed

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On 15/09/2024 at 11:29, shelts said:

It was a weird time that first season back . We had so much momentum but lost that pretty quickly, promotion bounce !!

 

Yeh cotts only wanted three signings lansdown told him was moving too fast fifty odd signings by the midget were still in the,same boat .

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