Ziderarmy Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Steve took the chairman’s (main ownership) in 2002, below is the history of his mangers - Liam Manning 07/11/13 to present. Win percentage = 31.71 %. Honours = nothing. Nigel Pearson 24/02/21 to 29/10/23. Win percentage = 32.06%. Honours = nothing. Dean Holden 05/07/20 to 24/02/21. Win percentage = 44.2%. Honours = nothing. Lee Johnson 07/02/16 to 05/07/20. Win percentage = 31.7%. Honours = nothing. John Pemberton 14/01/15 to 07/02/16 = win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing Steve Cotterill 03/12/13 to 14/01/15. Win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = Division 1 champions 14/15. Football league trophy winners 14/15. Sean O'Driscoll 14/03/13 to 28/11/13. Win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing. Derek McInnes 19/10/11 to 13/01/13. Win percentage = 26.98%. Honours = nothing. Keith Millen 12/08/10 to 03/10/11. Win percentage = 31.58%. Honours = nothing. Steve Coppell 11/05/10 to 12/08/10 = win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = nothing. Keith Millen 18/03/10 to 11/05/10. Win percentage = 55.56%. Honours = nothing. Gary Johnson 26/09/05 to 18/03/10. Win percentage = 40.17%. Honours = Divsion 1 runners up 06/07. Keith Millen 11/09/05 to 26/09/05. Win percentage = 33.33%. Honours = nothing. Brian Tinnion 05/06/04 to 11/09/04. Win percentage = 36.07%. Honours = promoted to director of football… Danny Wilson 27/06/00 05/06/04. Win percentage = 47.35%. Honours = football league trophy winners 02/03. What a list… 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Bring back Benny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 4 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Bring back Benny. 19.35% win percentage. Honours = never seen a better cap tosser 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 9 minutes ago, Ziderarmy said: Steve took the chairman’s (main ownership) in 2002, below is the history of his mangers - Liam Manning 07/11/13 to present. Win percentage = 31.71 %. Honours = nothing. Nigel Pearson 24/02/21 to 29/10/23. Win percentage = 32.06%. Honours = nothing. Dean Holden 05/07/20 to 24/02/21. Win percentage = 44.2%. Honours = nothing. Lee Johnson 07/02/16 to 05/07/20. Win percentage = 31.7%. Honours = nothing. John Pemberton 14/01/15 to 07/02/16 = win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing Steve Cotterill 03/12/13 to 14/01/15. Win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = Division 1 champions 14/15. Football league trophy winners 14/15. Sean O'Driscoll 14/03/13 to 28/11/13. Win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing. Derek McInnes 19/10/11 to 13/01/13. Win percentage = 26.98%. Honours = nothing. Keith Millen 12/08/10 to 03/10/11. Win percentage = 31.58%. Honours = nothing. Steve Coppell 11/05/10 to 12/08/10 = win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = nothing. Keith Millen 18/03/10 to 11/05/10. Win percentage = 55.56%. Honours = nothing. Gary Johnson 26/09/05 to 18/03/10. Win percentage = 40.17%. Honours = Divsion 1 runners up 06/07. Keith Millen 11/09/05 to 26/09/05. Win percentage = 33.33%. Honours = nothing. Brian Tinnion 05/06/04 to 11/09/04. Win percentage = 36.07%. Honours = promoted to director of football… Danny Wilson 27/06/00 05/06/04. Win percentage = 47.35%. Honours = football league trophy winners 02/03. What a list… A list is a list but context is everything. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 20 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: A list is a list but context is everything. Go on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . Can’t always get it right !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted September 14 Author Share Posted September 14 (edited) 3 minutes ago, shelts said: He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . Can’t always get it right !! Ps - if you mean Lansdown as “He”, then sadly your kinda wrong. Cotts wasn’t one he selected. Was Keith Dawe who wanted him. Edited September 14 by Ziderarmy 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, Ziderarmy said: Ps - if you mean Lansdown as “He”, then sadly your kinda wrong. Cotts was sent his pick. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 22 minutes ago, Ziderarmy said: Go on? Well they all came in at different times, different Divisions, Financial positions etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 23 minutes ago, shelts said: He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . Can’t always get it right !! The stadium is nice. But he ballsed up on the plans to build a better one. It’s not in the top tier in the country and certainly nowhere near the top tier in the world. The training ground is nice. But again, it’s not top tier in this country. It’s not state of the art. That would refer to an absolute top tier facility. It’s nice. It’s not state of the art. The 2 things he’s built are both very nice. But they both could’ve been so much better. It’s almost like Steve had to settle for 2nd best in the projects - similar to the football side of things 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 38 minutes ago, shelts said: He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . Can’t always get it right !! State of the art????? Calm down. He paid for a nice looking shed with some mod cons and pitches that are ruining our players! State of the art? An improvement on before, yes, but nowhere near "state of the art". Edited September 14 by Merrick's Marvels 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 6 minutes ago, Harry said: The stadium is nice. But he ballsed up on the plans to build a better one. It’s not in the top tier in the country and certainly nowhere near the top tier in the world. The training ground is nice. But again, it’s not top tier in this country. It’s not state of the art. That would refer to an absolute top tier facility. It’s nice. It’s not state of the art. The 2 things he’s built are both very nice. But they both could’ve been so much better. It’s almost like Steve had to settle for 2nd best in the projects - similar to the football side of things Ok . Point taken . Better than what we had but not top class . I’d love to know his thoughts and who they modelled both ground and training facilities on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 3 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: State of the art????? Calm down. He paid for a nice looking shed with some few mod cons and pitches that are ruining our players! State of the art? An improvement on before, yes, but nowhere near "state ofvthe art". Ok an upgrade . I stand corrected . I thought it was all singing and dancing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 9 minutes ago, Harry said: The stadium is nice. But he ballsed up on the plans to build a better one. It’s not in the top tier in the country and certainly nowhere near the top tier in the world. The training ground is nice. But again, it’s not top tier in this country. It’s not state of the art. That would refer to an absolute top tier facility. It’s nice. It’s not state of the art. The 2 things he’s built are both very nice. But they both could’ve been so much better. It’s almost like Steve had to settle for 2nd best in the projects - similar to the football side of things The Sporting Quarter could be of long term benefit to us if he can get it done. The interactive is good to impressive IMO but... I agree with most of your post, it is probably PL standard but not Top Tier, but unlucky with Ashton Vale? I've always thought we under SL should perhaps have gone for Category One Academy status too, but have been told on here by varied psotrds that it is unnecessary. I see it as a marker of striving for excellence in all areas at all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The Sporting Quarter could be of long term benefit to us if he can get it done. The interactive is good to impressive IMO but... I agree with most of your post, it is probably PL standard but not Top Tier, but unlucky with Ashton Vale? I've always thought we under SL should perhaps have gone for Category One Academy status too, but have been told on here by varied psotrds that it is unnecessary. I see it as a marker of striving for excellence in all areas at all times. Our capacity is the 33rd biggest in England. The Ashton Vale plans would have put us 12th. It’s not a Premier League stadium. If we were in the Prem this year we’d have the 17th highest capacity. And in fact with the stupid segregation cutting the actual seats available, it would be 18th behind Palace. Only Fulham (just) & Bournemouth below. I know it’s not all about capacity. We have a nice stadium now. It’s not Premier League. AV would have been. But he effed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Harry said: Our capacity is the 33rd biggest in England. The Ashton Vale plans would have put us 12th. It’s not a Premier League stadium. If we were in the Prem this year we’d have the 17th highest capacity. And in fact with the stupid segregation cutting the actual seats available, it would be 18th behind Palace. Only Fulham (just) & Bournemouth below. I know it’s not all about capacity. We have a nice stadium now. It’s not Premier League. AV would have been. But he effed it up. What should we have done differently in respect of Ashton Vale? Had we kept going, do we win? The Segregation is (feels) a nonsense and unnecessary, think we agree there. Club really should try and push back a bit of possible. I suppose does it tick certain boxes ie Kenilworth Road needed £10m spent to get up to PL standard, think Portman Road needed a bit. What about a Cat 1 Academy or is that a Red Herring? Edited September 14 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAWS Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: What should we have done differently in respect of Ashton Vale? Had we kept going, do we win? The Segregation is (feels) a nonsense and unnecessary, think we agree there. Club really should try and push back a bit of possible. I suppose does it tick certain boxes ie Kenilworth Road needed £10m spent to get up to PL standard, think Portman Road needed a bit. What about a Cat 1 Academy or is that a Red Herring? Erect signs & fencing upon purchase stating private land to avoid a village green claim or at least bring people out of the woodwork early 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAWS Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, shelts said: ? Cotts was Keith Dawe's recommendation and lansdown went with it. Probably always bugged him that he wasn't his choice & no doubt made the decision to get rid much easier. In fact he probably took great pleasure in having the power. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 2 hours ago, shelts said: He appointed Cotts and we’ve been in the championship for over a decade . We have a lovely ground and a state of the art training ground . Can’t always get it right !! Biggest mistake he ever made not backing cotts and giving the wedge to the bullshitter. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, JAWS said: Cotts was Keith Dawe's recommendation and lansdown went with it. Probably always bugged him that he wasn't his choice & no doubt made the decision to get rid much easier. In fact he probably took great pleasure in having the power. I’d have the final say on most things if I was putting in that much money . One of the better appointments for sure and a great promotion season . You could be right about it bugging him , he’s a winner in business and might well scratch his head about some of his appointments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted Sunday at 04:04 Share Posted Sunday at 04:04 3 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said: Biggest mistake he ever made not backing cotts and giving the wedge to the bullshitter. Second biggest now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted Sunday at 04:42 Share Posted Sunday at 04:42 Absolutely mad that Manning's win percentage is lower than Pearsons when you consider their respective starting points 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_V1 Posted Sunday at 04:57 Share Posted Sunday at 04:57 9 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Absolutely mad that Manning's win percentage is lower than Pearsons when you consider their respective starting points Is it ? I’d say this is irritatingly predictable. Manning is a no mark who’s only claim to fame is coaching city football group youth players (mostly at their lesser clubs abroad). But oh well he is weak, quiet and will not dare question the ‘wisdom’ of the all mighty ownership of Bristol sport so get the cheque book out lads and have at it. The only word I have to describe the repeated actions of our ownership is moronic. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted Sunday at 05:02 Share Posted Sunday at 05:02 19 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Absolutely mad that Manning's win percentage is lower than Pearsons when you consider their respective starting points And financial backing Manning has had. While Pearson got pittance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted Sunday at 06:02 Share Posted Sunday at 06:02 7 hours ago, Ziderarmy said: Ps - if you mean Lansdown as “He”, then sadly your kinda wrong. Cotts wasn’t one he selected. Was Keith Dawe who wanted him. In fairness who appointed Dawe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeggyBlaggers Posted Sunday at 06:44 Share Posted Sunday at 06:44 Not sure theres much point in highlighting the 'honours' when the realism is we arent going to win the league or FA cup and since Lansdowns sole ownership in 2002, we have been in the championship 16 seasons - so overall, we are a stable championship club with limited 'honours' to play for. Its a shame the useless ego maniac constantly picks or backs the wrong manager 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted Sunday at 07:22 Share Posted Sunday at 07:22 (edited) 3 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: Absolutely mad that Manning's win percentage is lower than Pearsons when you consider their respective starting points His points per match is marginally better though. Manning on 1.24, Pearson finished on 1.20. Because Pearson's loss percentage (44.3%) is higher than Manning's (39%) I'm not going to argue that a 3.3% improvement in PPM is good enough, but it's a fairer metric to judge on than the simplistic win percentage used by OP. These numbers treat cup games as league games, so cover all comps, to be consistent with @Ziderarmy's method. In the league only Manning actually has 1.28 PPM to Pearson's 1.18 PPM, an 8% improvement. But. Context, etc, yada yada, just read all the threads from the past 12 months etc. OP has also tragically omitted mention of our greatest ever Lansdown manager - Curtis Fleming. All hail he of the 100% win record, 100% clean sheets, average net xG per game of 0.43, shots per game 17, shots on target per game 7. A glorious era in our recent history that too many gloss over. Edited Sunday at 07:43 by ExiledAjax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted Sunday at 07:26 Share Posted Sunday at 07:26 Did holden really have a 44% win percentage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted Sunday at 07:37 Share Posted Sunday at 07:37 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: Did holden really have a 44% win percentage? Including cup games probably. But it was a still pretty good 40% in the league only. And 1.34 points per match (in the league), considerably more than both Pearson and Manning. Problem was, he also had a whopping 45.7% loss % in the league (a stat omitted by OP but which is arguably more important than win % as it's the only result that you get no reward for). He also massively frontloaded his wins. Of the 47 points he collected across his 36 league games 32 came in the first 18 games and only 15 in the second 18 games. Edited Sunday at 07:37 by ExiledAjax 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted Sunday at 07:40 Author Share Posted Sunday at 07:40 17 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: his points per match is marginally better though. Manning on 1.24, Pearson finished on 1.20. Because Pearson's loss percentage (44.3%) is higher than Manning's (39%) I'm not going to argue that a 3.3% improvement in PPM is good enough, but it's a fairer metric to judge on than the simplistic win percentage used by OP. These numbers treat cup games as league games, so cover all comps, to be consistent with @Ziderarmy's method. In the league only Manning actually has 1.28 PPM to Pearson's 1.18 PPM, an 8% improvement. But. Context, etc, yada yada, just read all the threads from the past 12 months etc. OP has also tragically omitted mention of our greatest ever Lansdown manager - Curtis Fleming. All hail he of the 100% win record, 100% clean sheets, average net xG per game of 0.43, shots per game 17, shots on target per game 7. A glorious era in our recent history that too many gloss over. He was superb. Promotion form. What’s he doing now? 3 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Including cup games probably. But it was a still pretty good 40% in the league only. And 1.34 points per match (in the league), considerably more than both Pearson and Manning. Problem was, he also had a whopping 45.7% loss % in the league (a stat omitted by OP but which is arguably more important than win % as it's the only result that you get no reward for). He also massively frontloaded his wins. Of the 47 points he collected across his 36 league games 32 came in the first 18 games and only 15 in the second 18 games. @ExiledAjax could you please do the same list with PPG be interesting to see. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted Sunday at 07:55 Share Posted Sunday at 07:55 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ziderarmy said: @ExiledAjax could you please do the same list with PPG be interesting to see. Thanks Bit busy today. But, cup games included, Johnson had 1.41. Arguably that makes him the greatest manager of recent times right? Not as good as the 1.67 of Cotterill of course, but he had league 1 opposition to pad the numbers right? Look, I don't put much by this kind of thing tbh. It's interesting, but there's souch context behind the numbers that it's not even comparing apples and oranges - more like comparing apples and elephants. Edited Sunday at 08:00 by ExiledAjax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted Sunday at 07:55 Share Posted Sunday at 07:55 28 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: Did holden really have a 44% win percentage? Didn`t we have that bizarre start to the season when we won the first six or something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted Sunday at 09:24 Share Posted Sunday at 09:24 11 hours ago, Ziderarmy said: Steve took the chairman’s (main ownership) in 2002, below is the history of his mangers - Liam Manning 07/11/13 to present. Win percentage = 31.71 %. Honours = nothing. Nigel Pearson 24/02/21 to 29/10/23. Win percentage = 32.06%. Honours = nothing. Dean Holden 05/07/20 to 24/02/21. Win percentage = 44.2%. Honours = nothing. Lee Johnson 07/02/16 to 05/07/20. Win percentage = 31.7%. Honours = nothing. John Pemberton 14/01/15 to 07/02/16 = win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing Steve Cotterill 03/12/13 to 14/01/15. Win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = Division 1 champions 14/15. Football league trophy winners 14/15. Sean O'Driscoll 14/03/13 to 28/11/13. Win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing. Derek McInnes 19/10/11 to 13/01/13. Win percentage = 26.98%. Honours = nothing. Keith Millen 12/08/10 to 03/10/11. Win percentage = 31.58%. Honours = nothing. Steve Coppell 11/05/10 to 12/08/10 = win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = nothing. Keith Millen 18/03/10 to 11/05/10. Win percentage = 55.56%. Honours = nothing. Gary Johnson 26/09/05 to 18/03/10. Win percentage = 40.17%. Honours = Divsion 1 runners up 06/07. Keith Millen 11/09/05 to 26/09/05. Win percentage = 33.33%. Honours = nothing. Brian Tinnion 05/06/04 to 11/09/04. Win percentage = 36.07%. Honours = promoted to director of football… Danny Wilson 27/06/00 05/06/04. Win percentage = 47.35%. Honours = football league trophy winners 02/03. What a list… Yep, what a list! So in all that time just 3 good pics Gary J, Cotts and Nige. Not good enough... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted Sunday at 09:26 Share Posted Sunday at 09:26 11 hours ago, Ziderarmy said: Steve took the chairman’s (main ownership) in 2002, below is the history of his mangers - Liam Manning 07/11/13 to present. Win percentage = 31.71 %. Honours = nothing. Nigel Pearson 24/02/21 to 29/10/23. Win percentage = 32.06%. Honours = nothing. Dean Holden 05/07/20 to 24/02/21. Win percentage = 44.2%. Honours = nothing. Lee Johnson 07/02/16 to 05/07/20. Win percentage = 31.7%. Honours = nothing. John Pemberton 14/01/15 to 07/02/16 = win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing Steve Cotterill 03/12/13 to 14/01/15. Win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = Division 1 champions 14/15. Football league trophy winners 14/15. Sean O'Driscoll 14/03/13 to 28/11/13. Win percentage = 25%. Honours = nothing. Derek McInnes 19/10/11 to 13/01/13. Win percentage = 26.98%. Honours = nothing. Keith Millen 12/08/10 to 03/10/11. Win percentage = 31.58%. Honours = nothing. Steve Coppell 11/05/10 to 12/08/10 = win percentage = 45.69%. Honours = nothing. Keith Millen 18/03/10 to 11/05/10. Win percentage = 55.56%. Honours = nothing. Gary Johnson 26/09/05 to 18/03/10. Win percentage = 40.17%. Honours = Divsion 1 runners up 06/07. Keith Millen 11/09/05 to 26/09/05. Win percentage = 33.33%. Honours = nothing. Brian Tinnion 05/06/04 to 11/09/04. Win percentage = 36.07%. Honours = promoted to director of football… Danny Wilson 27/06/00 05/06/04. Win percentage = 47.35%. Honours = football league trophy winners 02/03. What a list… You can take cotts out of that list . He wasn’t lansdowns choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted Sunday at 10:05 Share Posted Sunday at 10:05 10 hours ago, JAWS said: Erect signs & fencing upon purchase stating private land to avoid a village green claim or at least bring people out of the woodwork early I don't defend Steve very often, but in fairness to him, he pays planning consultants and lawyers to advise him on stuff like that and he was clearly poorly advised... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 10:06 Share Posted Sunday at 10:06 2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Didn`t we have that bizarre start to the season when we won the first six or something? His caretaker spell was also okay as was his Cup record but I dunno if we include the Caretaker spell especially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted Sunday at 10:29 Share Posted Sunday at 10:29 9 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said: Biggest mistake he ever made not backing cotts and giving the wedge to the bullshitter. It was a weird time that first season back . We had so much momentum but lost that pretty quickly, promotion bounce !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAWS Posted Sunday at 10:57 Share Posted Sunday at 10:57 51 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: I don't defend Steve very often, but in fairness to him, he pays planning consultants and lawyers to advise him on stuff like that and he was clearly poorly advised... Yes I do agree on that Kid. Not sure who is appointed but that's basics Just now, JAWS said: Yes I do agree on that Kid. Not sure who is appointed but that's basics who HE appointed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted Sunday at 10:58 Share Posted Sunday at 10:58 Mangers ? Is it Christmas already ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted Monday at 13:45 Share Posted Monday at 13:45 On 15/09/2024 at 11:29, shelts said: It was a weird time that first season back . We had so much momentum but lost that pretty quickly, promotion bounce !! Yeh cotts only wanted three signings lansdown told him was moving too fast fifty odd signings by the midget were still in the,same boat . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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