Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 14:12 Share Posted Sunday at 14:12 (edited) Anyone? I've checked. As I recall from 5 Games we got.. NP 2023-24- 8 Points 2022-23- 7 Points 2021-22- 7 Points DH 2020-21- 13 Points LJ 2019-20- 10 Points 2018-19- 8 Points 2017-18- 6 Points 2016-17- 9 Points Cotts- Championship 2015-16- 4 Points There is and was a key difference of course, we were nearly promoted and ended up with arguably a weaker squad than we came up with. Whereas this us out 10th successive Championship season and there was money spent to build on an 11th place finish. Only twice more have we won just 1 of the first 5 and only once have we obtained less points. Our GD is the worst too of those 10. Edited Sunday at 14:13 by Mr Popodopolous 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted Monday at 12:54 Share Posted Monday at 12:54 22 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Anyone? I've checked. As I recall from 5 Games we got.. NP 2023-24- 8 Points 11th 2022-23- 7 Points 14th 2021-22- 7 Points 17th DH 2020-21- 13 Points 19th LJ 2019-20- 10 Points 12th 2018-19- 8 Points 8th 2017-18- 6 Points 11th 2016-17- 9 Points 17th Cotts- Championship 2015-16- 4 Points 18th There is and was a key difference of course, we were nearly promoted and ended up with arguably a weaker squad than we came up with. Whereas this us out 10th successive Championship season and there was money spent to build on an 11th place finish. Only twice more have we won just 1 of the first 5 and only once have we obtained less points. Our GD is the worst too of those 10. I’ve added our final league position each season, and come to the conclusion that it makes little difference! Our Best and worst starts saw us finish one place different! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotswoldred2 Posted Monday at 12:59 Share Posted Monday at 12:59 22 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Anyone? I've checked. As I recall from 5 Games we got.. NP 2023-24- 8 Points 2022-23- 7 Points 2021-22- 7 Points DH 2020-21- 13 Points LJ 2019-20- 10 Points 2018-19- 8 Points 2017-18- 6 Points 2016-17- 9 Points Cotts- Championship 2015-16- 4 Points There is and was a key difference of course, we were nearly promoted and ended up with arguably a weaker squad than we came up with. Whereas this us out 10th successive Championship season and there was money spent to build on an 11th place finish. Only twice more have we won just 1 of the first 5 and only once have we obtained less points. Our GD is the worst too of those 10. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFree Posted Monday at 12:59 Share Posted Monday at 12:59 2 minutes ago, italian dave said: I’ve added our final league position each season, and come to the conclusion that it makes little difference! Our Best and worst starts saw us finish one place different! So with NP we were climbing three league positions each season and were consistently making progress, cleared all the dead wood, almost halved the wage bill, need I go on..! 14 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 13:05 Author Share Posted Monday at 13:05 6 minutes ago, PFree said: So with NP we were climbing three league positions each season and were consistently making progress, cleared all the dead wood, almost halved the wage bill, need I go on..! Yep and the underlying numbers (fwiw) were improving year on year too. Albeit from a very low base. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted Monday at 13:16 Share Posted Monday at 13:16 14 minutes ago, PFree said: So with NP we were climbing three league positions each season and were consistently making progress, cleared all the dead wood, almost halved the wage bill, need I go on..! Not really the point I’’m making though - not remotely the point in fact! My point is simply that how many points you get from your first 5 games doesn’t appear to have very much bearing on where you finish. That’s all. Simple as. Not sure why there’s a need to read so much more into it…. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 13:23 Author Share Posted Monday at 13:23 5 minutes ago, italian dave said: Not really the point I’’m making though - not remotely the point in fact! My point is simply that how many points you get from your first 5 games doesn’t appear to have very much bearing on where you finish. That’s all. Simple as. Not sure why there’s a need to read so much more into it…. A worry for us is that we usually have a decent start and can tail off. Sometimes drastically so. If we are starting poorly the reverse could kick in but it's an indictment that a Solid Base, with money added and a full Pre Season has our worst atett since 2015. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Monday at 15:15 Share Posted Monday at 15:15 1 hour ago, italian dave said: Not really the point I’’m making though - not remotely the point in fact! My point is simply that how many points you get from your first 5 games doesn’t appear to have very much bearing on where you finish. That’s all. Simple as. Not sure why there’s a need to read so much more into it…. Yeah normally we start well, get giddy, then have a terrible period when the weather gets cold, and then drag ourselves back out of trouble to finish with a resounding 'meh'. This bad start is actually a refreshing experience! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted Monday at 15:27 Share Posted Monday at 15:27 (edited) 2 hours ago, italian dave said: Not really the point I’’m making though - not remotely the point in fact! My point is simply that how many points you get from your first 5 games doesn’t appear to have very much bearing on where you finish. That’s all. Simple as. Not sure why there’s a need to read so much more into it…. I have said before that one of my "dream seasons" involves us losing the first 13 games, sticking with the manager (whoever he (OR SHE) may be), and then winning the final 33 matches for a 99 point finish and automatic promotion. Edited Monday at 15:29 by ExiledAjax 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted Monday at 15:29 Share Posted Monday at 15:29 2 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said: Strange reply. Care to elaborate in case I have missed something? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted Monday at 15:33 Share Posted Monday at 15:33 3 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Strange reply. Care to elaborate in case I have missed something? Don’t waste your time. Third “ meme” he/she/child has posted in the last couple of days. Guess they haven’t the intellect to have a decent debate. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 15:45 Author Share Posted Monday at 15:45 29 minutes ago, mozo said: Yeah normally we start well, get giddy, then have a terrible period when the weather gets cold, and then drag ourselves back out of trouble to finish with a resounding 'meh'. This bad start is actually a refreshing experience! Relegation battle? While since we've had a bona fide one of those.. Lee Johnson's first full season probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted Monday at 15:57 Share Posted Monday at 15:57 It's not where we start but where we finish that counts- everything else is speculation , spleen venting or just plain agenda. I couldn't be happier to see Cardiff where they are but come December they could be in a very different position and I really haven't a clue as to where we'll be albeit I'm struggling with the enthusiasm to give a flying fig- atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted Monday at 17:20 Share Posted Monday at 17:20 I vaguely remember City not winning any of the first 7 matches. Can’t recal who the manager was tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 17:20 Author Share Posted Monday at 17:20 O'Driscoll maybe? In League 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted Monday at 17:32 Share Posted Monday at 17:32 11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: O'Driscoll maybe? In League 1. Further back than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted Monday at 19:24 Share Posted Monday at 19:24 2 hours ago, Robbored said: I vaguely remember City not winning any of the first 7 matches. Can’t recal who the manager was tho. I’ve checked all the way back to Alan Dicks & no City manager who has lasted that long (Steve Coppell didn’t) has failed to win at once in their first 7 games. So either you’re mistaken or confused again. If you were alluding to who I think you were, he won his first & his third game in charge of us. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted Monday at 19:28 Share Posted Monday at 19:28 2 hours ago, Robbored said: I vaguely remember City not winning any of the first 7 matches. Can’t recal who the manager was tho. Danny Wilson?? 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 19:29 Author Share Posted Monday at 19:29 Under O'Driscoll we went 12 League Games without a win at the start of 2013-14?? Just checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted Monday at 19:38 Share Posted Monday at 19:38 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Under O'Driscoll we went 12 League Games without a win at the start of 2013-14?? Just checked. Yes, but he took over in the January prior & won his first three home games. We also won 3 cup games within that 12 match winless league run. I assumed he meant the first 7 games of someone’s tenure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 19:40 Author Share Posted Monday at 19:40 1 minute ago, GrahamC said: Yes, but he took over in the January prior & won his first three home games. We also won 3 cup games within that 12 match winless league run. I assumed he meant the first 7 games of someone’s tenure. Ah right, thanks. RR being less than clear then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted Monday at 19:50 Share Posted Monday at 19:50 20 minutes ago, GrahamC said: So either you’re mistaken or confused Confused more than likely Graham. I thought that it might have been LJ. It could have been him that led City to the longest number of consecutive defeats. 10 iirc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted Monday at 19:56 Share Posted Monday at 19:56 2 hours ago, Robbored said: Further back than him. 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Confused more than likely Graham. I thought that it might have been LJ. It could have been him that led City to the longest number of consecutive defeats. 10 iirc. Lee Johnson was our manager long AFTER Sean O’Driscoll. I have absolutely no idea what you’re on about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted Monday at 20:10 Share Posted Monday at 20:10 (edited) 15 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Lee Johnson was our manager long AFTER Sean O’Driscoll. I have absolutely no idea what you’re on about. I thought that Cotterill took over after SoD and SC was sacked to allow LJ to take over City have had so many managers over the decades that I’ve been attending AG that I can’t remember the chronological order. I know that one of them lost 10 consecutive games, Citys worst ever run. Edited Monday at 20:13 by Robbored 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted Monday at 20:16 Share Posted Monday at 20:16 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: I thought that Cotterill took over after SoD and SC was sacked to allow LJ to take over City have had so many managers over the decades that I’ve been attending AG that I can’t remember the chronological order. I know that one of them lost 10 consecutive games, Citys worst ever run. Easy to find the chronological order on google to do some fact checking before posting 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted Monday at 20:23 Share Posted Monday at 20:23 What riles me is seeing Oxford above us, all these years and money spent since we got promoted and they have been languishing in league two and above since then. What have we got to show for all this time while a team like them can just rock up and perform (and play good football!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted Monday at 20:23 Share Posted Monday at 20:23 5 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: Easy to find the chronological order on google to do some fact checking before posting Would that tell me which City manager holds the record of most consecutive defeats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted Monday at 20:28 Share Posted Monday at 20:28 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Would that tell me which City manager holds the record of most consecutive defeats? That’s Lee Johnson in 2016 with 8 I believe. McInnes had 7 in 2012. i don’t think there’s been a longer run of defeats since that one in 2016 but I stand to be corrected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted Monday at 20:28 Share Posted Monday at 20:28 3 hours ago, Robbored said: I vaguely remember City not winning any of the first 7 matches. Can’t recal who the manager was tho. I’ve a vague memory of us losing our first 5 games, that may have included league cup, in 1985. I was young and travelling around Europe desperately trying to find our scores out, usually the next day sneaking a peek at a newspaper and I’m sure they were always defeats. The day we arrived home we won our first game of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 20:41 Share Posted Monday at 20:41 12 minutes ago, ralphindevon said: I’ve a vague memory of us losing our first 5 games, that may have included league cup, in 1985. I was young and travelling around Europe desperately trying to find our scores out, usually the next day sneaking a peek at a newspaper and I’m sure they were always defeats. The day we arrived home we won our first game of the season. Didn’t we have really good preseason too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted Monday at 20:51 Share Posted Monday at 20:51 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Didn’t we have really good preseason too? I’ve a memory of drawing with Liverpool or Man Utd, can’t remember now and finished top 10 but no promotion ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted Monday at 20:59 Share Posted Monday at 20:59 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Under O'Driscoll we went 12 League Games without a win at the start of 2013-14?? Just checked. And then beat Carlisle 3-1 away? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted Monday at 21:01 Share Posted Monday at 21:01 36 minutes ago, TheCulturalBomb said: What riles me is seeing Oxford above us, all these years and money spent since we got promoted and they have been languishing in league two and above since then. What have we got to show for all this time while a team like them can just rock up and perform (and play good football!) It’s because Liam laid the foundations 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 21:01 Author Share Posted Monday at 21:01 (edited) 2 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: And then beat Carlisle 3-1 away? Yep that sounds right. JET starred/shone in that one. Edited Monday at 21:02 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted Monday at 21:17 Share Posted Monday at 21:17 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Lee Johnson was our manager long AFTER Sean O’Driscoll. I have absolutely no idea what you’re on about. Hes probably referring to GJ when he came in, and we were a total shambles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 21:21 Author Share Posted Monday at 21:21 I don't even get what he is on about because this thread basically means the Worst Start to a League Season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted Monday at 22:14 Share Posted Monday at 22:14 1 hour ago, Jeez said: It’s because Liam laid the foundations I didn’t realise he was a qualified builder…. ….or that he’d taken a course in demolition before coming here!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 22:20 Author Share Posted Monday at 22:20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Simon bristol said: Hes probably referring to GJ when he came in, and we were a total shambles! Tbh GJ won 3 of the first 4 but then it did get worse before it got better. Edited Monday at 22:20 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted Monday at 23:22 Share Posted Monday at 23:22 59 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Tbh GJ won 3 of the first 4 but then it did get worse before it got better. Lost 7 on the spin I think? A feat only bettered by his son! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 23:23 Author Share Posted Monday at 23:23 1 minute ago, fgrsimon said: Lost 7 on the spin I think? A feat only bettered by his son! He did but he won 3 of the first 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 23:27 Author Share Posted Monday at 23:27 (edited) Anyway I think a few are cross purposes possibly. Worst start to a League Season.. PPG Wins Goals Conceded Etc Across 5 Games. Edited Monday at 23:27 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Tuesday at 10:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:43 18 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Relegation battle? While since we've had a bona fide one of those.. Lee Johnson's first full season probably. Do you mean this season? I'll stick my neck out and say we've got way too much about us to be involved in a relegation battle this season. But lower midtable would be disappointing/unacceptable enough! I mentioned in another thread that form can change so quickly. We've seen that with every manager since we've been back in the Championship. I just hope it happens before things get really toxic and we get stuck in a rut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Tuesday at 11:01 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 11:01 16 minutes ago, mozo said: Do you mean this season? I'll stick my neck out and say we've got way too much about us to be involved in a relegation battle this season. But lower midtable would be disappointing/unacceptable enough! I mentioned in another thread that form can change so quickly. We've seen that with every manager since we've been back in the Championship. I just hope it happens before things get really toxic and we get stuck in a rut. Well yeah agreed overall but just thinking given how we start well an then drift a bit, always that small risk. I thought in August bottom half would be a fail basically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Tuesday at 11:08 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:08 We lost one out of our first six in the 94 95 season including winning away at a very impressive Bolton team, that early season form didn't count for much, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted Tuesday at 11:23 Share Posted Tuesday at 11:23 Being in the bottom half in august, well that could mean being three points from 6th or 7th tbf, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Tuesday at 11:29 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 11:29 I suppose we started one season poorly under Wilson in 2000-01 and one under Tinnion in 2004-05 (one under Tinnion in 2005-06 too, less said the better)..we finished top half on each occasion but this was in the third tier. When we were one of the biggest financial hitters, in the first two certainly. Now we've grown as a club but we're probably middling, top 10 for squad cost? We have some decent depth but then we have a range of injuries too..harder to recover quickly and strongly from a poor start at this level for a club like us as a non Parachute side. Let's see anyway, if we get 8-10 points from the next 4 there will be some fresh hope and other sides will get their injuries..gotta try and look at some positives but it seems a bit meh with a very leaky defensive structure on top atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted Tuesday at 12:24 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:24 dont worry mr pops,we will be fine, they will give him a bit more time to try and implement his system with his players, by christmas,he will ditch that poppycock and go back to how we were last 3 months of last season, with the squad weve got, we should be able to recover enough points to finish higher than last season. best thing to do is watch or do something else for a short while, let him get his whim out of the way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Tuesday at 12:26 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:26 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well yeah agreed overall but just thinking given how we start well an then drift a bit, always that small risk. I thought in August bottom half would be a fail basically. Yes and I think there are ways that this could turn into a very worrying first 10 or 20 games. We've already had some misfortune with injuries, and a couple more key ones would be a problem at this stage. Let's say Tanner and O'Leary got injured. Then, if a few things go against us in games too... Imagine Williams gets sent off after 10 minutes on Saturday and Oxford smell blood and rip us apart. The negative spiral would then have gained even more momentum and suddenly Swansea away looks like a really tough game. We're absolutely on the precipice of a rut. When you're in a rut, it's like quicksand. Confidence dissolves and suddenly players can't make simple decisions on the field of play and the atmosphere gets dark. We need to either play our way out of this spiral, or fight our way out, or just get some luck. A dodgy last minute penalty against Oxford could completely change the dynamic and the narrative. Then, suddenly, the outlook for the Swansea game is more benign. Gotta love supporting City; you never know what the hell is gonna happen next 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted Tuesday at 12:40 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:40 (edited) 14 minutes ago, mozo said: We've already had some misfortune with injuries, and a couple more key ones would be a problem at this stage. Let's say Tanner and O'Leary got injured. Then, if a few things go against us in games too... Im sorry - that’s nonsense. Our injuries this season are/have been (ignoring Atkinson who was known long term): - McCrorie - no real impact, Tanner has been one of our best players - Dickie - Yes, impact - but we spent £3m on a replacement! - Yu - unknown quantity, significant cover - Bell - again lots of cover - Earthy - played less than two full games of football. If you were picking our best team, of that list, the only one you could say would be an automatic pick was Dickie - and we have a big money replacement there. For all others they’re squad players and our business this summer was depth - despite the “misfortune with injuries” we have in each game had 9 senior pros on the bench. There is absolutely no way “misfortune with injuries” can be given as a mitigating factor in the start to date, based on the players injured and the business done in the window which precisely allowed us to cope with this scenario without throwing the equivalent of Joseph James in. Edited Tuesday at 12:41 by Silvio Dante 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Tuesday at 12:41 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:41 15 minutes ago, mozo said: Gotta love supporting City; you never know what the hell is gonna happen next It’s a curse innit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Tuesday at 13:15 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:15 21 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Im sorry - that’s nonsense. Our injuries this season are/have been (ignoring Atkinson who was known long term): - McCrorie - no real impact, Tanner has been one of our best players - Dickie - Yes, impact - but we spent £3m on a replacement! - Yu - unknown quantity, significant cover - Bell - again lots of cover - Earthy - played less than two full games of football. If you were picking our best team, of that list, the only one you could say would be an automatic pick was Dickie - and we have a big money replacement there. For all others they’re squad players and our business this summer was depth - despite the “misfortune with injuries” we have in each game had 9 senior pros on the bench. There is absolutely no way “misfortune with injuries” can be given as a mitigating factor in the start to date, based on the players injured and the business done in the window which precisely allowed us to cope with this scenario without throwing the equivalent of Joseph James in. 26 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Im sorry - that’s nonsense. Our injuries this season are/have been (ignoring Atkinson who was known long term): - McCrorie - no real impact, Tanner has been one of our best players - Dickie - Yes, impact - but we spent £3m on a replacement! - Yu - unknown quantity, significant cover - Bell - again lots of cover - Earthy - played less than two full games of football. If you were picking our best team, of that list, the only one you could say would be an automatic pick was Dickie - and we have a big money replacement there. For all others they’re squad players and our business this summer was depth - despite the “misfortune with injuries” we have in each game had 9 senior pros on the bench. There is absolutely no way “misfortune with injuries” can be given as a mitigating factor in the start to date, based on the players injured and the business done in the window which precisely allowed us to cope with this scenario without throwing the equivalent of Joseph James in. I actually wasn't using it as a mitigating factor, I was teeing up my next statement about how a couple more injuries could have an impact. I think two new signings getting injured straight away, and reigning player of the year, is enough to qualify as misfortune. It's certainly not wonderful fortune. But the post wasn't saying 'poor Liam', it was saying, 'shit could get ugly...' '...but it might not.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Tuesday at 14:08 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 14:08 1 hour ago, redsquirrel said: dont worry mr pops,we will be fine, they will give him a bit more time to try and implement his system with his players, by christmas,he will ditch that poppycock and go back to how we were last 3 months of last season, with the squad weve got, we should be able to recover enough points to finish higher than last season. best thing to do is watch or do something else for a short while, let him get his whim out of the way I think you're not wrong, hope you're not wrong also RS. Surely that was for last year and pre season though. My small concern is as it was in the Summer although actually it's deteriorated quicker than I could imagine! *Defence- Solid, 4th best *Midfield- Technically good *Approach- Good energy Identified all of this post Willem II. The goals.. two youngish attackers, wonder if playing Nakhi through the middle to steady the ship- he has good spells and bad spells to fall back on, a lot of experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted Tuesday at 14:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:10 17 hours ago, ralphindevon said: I’ve a vague memory of us losing our first 5 games, that may have included league cup, in 1985. I was young and travelling around Europe desperately trying to find our scores out, usually the next day sneaking a peek at a newspaper and I’m sure they were always defeats. The day we arrived home we won our first game of the season. This was the season, one was a league cup match 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Tuesday at 14:19 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:19 7 minutes ago, ralphindevon said: This was the season, one was a league cup match 17 goals conceded in those 5 games too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted Tuesday at 14:26 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:26 5 minutes ago, mozo said: 17 goals conceded in those 5 games too! Yes and then we went on a decent run. Terry Cooper was manager and he had certainly earned the right to have a bad spell without fearing the sack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted Tuesday at 15:11 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:11 Didn't Sunderland go up with Roy Keane as manager after losing first few games? Then won then the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj77 Posted Tuesday at 15:14 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:14 what's Dean Holden up to nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Tuesday at 15:21 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 15:21 10 minutes ago, RedorDead BCFC said: Didn't Sunderland go up with Roy Keane as manager after losing first few games? Then won then the league They also had Year 1 Parachute Payments and one of the top incomes albeit not so big a gap as these days but he stopped the rot forcefully and took them up yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted Tuesday at 16:23 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:23 On 16/09/2024 at 16:29, formerly known as ivan said: Strange reply. Care to elaborate in case I have missed something? Have you missed that he’s a complete bellend? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted Tuesday at 16:48 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:48 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: They also had Year 1 Parachute Payments and one of the top incomes albeit not so big a gap as these days but he stopped the rot forcefully and took them up yes. Not comparing like for like, just pointing out that the season is never determined in first few games. Wish it was though as Cardiff would be down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted Tuesday at 16:50 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:50 19 hours ago, ralphindevon said: I’ve a memory of drawing with Liverpool or Man Utd, can’t remember now and finished top 10 but no promotion ? Was that the season a young Michael Owen scored for Liverpool at Ashton Gate in a pre season friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted Tuesday at 17:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:01 10 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Was that the season a young Michael Owen scored for Liverpool at Ashton Gate in a pre season friendly. No, that was much later, around 1996 at a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Tuesday at 19:30 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:30 2 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Was that the season a young Michael Owen scored for Liverpool at Ashton Gate in a pre season friendly. Did that happen? I don't remember it at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted Tuesday at 19:42 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:42 3 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Have you missed that he’s a complete bellend? I had, but starting to get that impression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotswoldred2 Posted Tuesday at 19:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:43 On 16/09/2024 at 16:29, formerly known as ivan said: Strange reply. Care to elaborate in case I have missed something? Sense of humour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotswoldred2 Posted Tuesday at 19:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:45 3 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Have you missed that he’s a complete bellend? Oooooh still hurting after calling you out...at least I am City bellend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted Tuesday at 19:54 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:54 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted Tuesday at 19:59 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:59 1998/99 under John Ward, we lost or drew the first 8 games before beating Crewe 5-1 in the ninth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted Tuesday at 20:05 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:05 32 minutes ago, mozo said: Did that happen? I don't remember it at all! No idea - I’ve never ever watched a pre season match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
38MC Posted Tuesday at 20:13 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:13 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: No idea - I’ve never ever watched a pre season match. Is this you waiting for people to nibble? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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