Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 12:11 Share Posted Sunday at 12:11 Winning a game from behind. Is tbis the start of a new flexibility and resilience? Changing both the shape and the team at HT perhaps helped, getting Yu on, moving Twine central etc. Our Record prior to this in this regard was pitiful..16 League Games, 4 draws and 12 Losses. Think it was 1-1 at Huddersfield in December, 1-1 v Watford on Twine Loan debut, 2-2 at Coventry the next game and a last gasp 1-1 v Huddersfield with a Wells penalty that was contentious. That was it. 1 1 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted Sunday at 12:12 Share Posted Sunday at 12:12 Weren't we behind against Millwall? 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 12:14 Author Share Posted Sunday at 12:14 My criteria was literally... Conceding the first goal Then winning by whatever means. Vs Millwall and Hull in December, we scored first but went behind then won. There maybe were others too, I'm unsure? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Sunday at 12:42 Share Posted Sunday at 12:42 29 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Winning a game from behind. Is tbis the start of a new flexibility and resilience? Changing both the shape and the team at HT perhaps helped, getting Yu on, moving Twine central etc. Our Record prior to this in this regard was pitiful..16 League Games, 4 draws and 12 Losses. Think it was 1-1 at Huddersfield in December, 1-1 v Watford on Twine Loan debut, 2-2 at Coventry the next game and a last gasp 1-1 v Huddersfield with a Wells penalty that was contentious. That was it. I don’t think he changed the shape per se, “just” swapped the personnel within the shape when withdrawing Williams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 12:44 Author Share Posted Sunday at 12:44 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: I don’t think he changed the shape per se, “just” swapped the personnel within the shape when withdrawing Williams. Twine central, Yu for Williams? Either way it looked more balanced. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 12:59 Author Share Posted Sunday at 12:59 Don't you like facts @Down Town It's a good thing. We've won a game in which we've conceded first. Therefore it's notable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted Sunday at 13:34 Share Posted Sunday at 13:34 1 hour ago, Super said: Weren't we behind against Millwall? I think he means after conceding the first goal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Sunday at 14:39 Share Posted Sunday at 14:39 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Twine central, Yu for Williams? Either way it looked more balanced. 8. Williams off, 7. Hirakawa on 11. Mehmeti - RW to LW (where Twine was playing) 12. Knight - 10 to CM 10. Twine - LW to 10 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted Sunday at 14:48 Share Posted Sunday at 14:48 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Why you wouldn't want Twine's heat map to be that 2nd half one, just instead for the entire 90 minutes, is beyond me. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Town Posted Sunday at 15:25 Share Posted Sunday at 15:25 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Don't you like facts @Down Town 3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Winning a game from behind. Admit it, you completely forgot about the Millwall game, otherwise you would have made that point in your post 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 15:49 Author Share Posted Sunday at 15:49 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Down Town said: Admit it, you completely forgot about the Millwall game, otherwise you would have made that point in your post Well possibly we have different definitions. My basic definition is.. Concede first, win. Also @And Its Smith Put simply.. 0-1 To 1-1 2-1 Whereas 1-0 2-0 2-1 2-2 2-3 3-3 4-3 Isn't. Edited Sunday at 15:52 by Mr Popodopolous 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 15:51 Author Share Posted Sunday at 15:51 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: 8. Williams off, 7. Hirakawa on 11. Mehmeti - RW to LW (where Twine was playing) 12. Knight - 10 to CM 10. Twine - LW to 10 Perhaps a better balanced version of Plan A then? Twine out left can inhibit us offensively, creatively and defensively? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted Sunday at 15:51 Share Posted Sunday at 15:51 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well possibly we have different definitions. My basic definition is.. Concede first, win. This is the common belief, basically everybody but DT! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted Sunday at 15:53 Share Posted Sunday at 15:53 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well possibly we have different definitions. My basic definition is.. Concede first, win. Also @And Its Smith Put simply.. 0-1 To 1-1 2-1 Whereas 1-0 2-0 2-1 2-2 2-3 3-3 4-3 Isn't. You said it’s the first time we have won from behind which explains my reaction 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 15:54 Author Share Posted Sunday at 15:54 Just now, And Its Smith said: You said it’s the first time we have won from behind which explains my reaction Well it is a commonly understood definition. The point is it is the first and hopefully the first of many. 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted Sunday at 15:58 Share Posted Sunday at 15:58 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Perhaps a better balanced version of Plan A then? Twine out left can inhibit us offensively, creatively and defensively? I haven’t seen yesterday’s game yet but was at derby and Blackburn. Manning said in his interview after that he isn’t playing out left he’s playing in a “10” in this shape in possession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAWS Posted Sunday at 16:02 Share Posted Sunday at 16:02 For me it's the first truly recognisable in game management switches that have worked. Yu was the notable difference but twine being central looked more effective. Hopefully he's learning but we made hard work of it against a limited side (imho) so jury still out I was a bit miffed about wells for sinclair. I would've gone fally or even fally alongside sinclair. The latter had just scored and looked lively. But he'll feel vindicated cos wells scored the pen though it didn't seem to make sense at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted Sunday at 16:08 Share Posted Sunday at 16:08 Remember they missed an absolute sitter, plus I think their keeper could have done a lot better from the Armstrong equaliser 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 16:25 Author Share Posted Sunday at 16:25 20 minutes ago, JAWS said: For me it's the first truly recognisable in game management switches that have worked. Yu was the notable difference but twine being central looked more effective. Hopefully he's learning but we made hard work of it against a limited side (imho) so jury still out I was a bit miffed about wells for sinclair. I would've gone fally or even fally alongside sinclair. The latter had just scored and looked lively. But he'll feel vindicated cos wells scored the pen though it didn't seem to make sense at the time. Plus LM did it earlier. Both shape and or mindset but on HT rather than an hour in. It is something encouraging to take. I suppose that could boost the confidence of Wells, all 3 strikers with at least one Goal on the board- with two young strikers a relatively refreshed yet experienced Wells could still be of use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAWS Posted Sunday at 16:33 Share Posted Sunday at 16:33 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Plus LM did it earlier. Both shape and or mindset but on HT rather than an hour in. It is something encouraging to take. I suppose that could boost the confidence of Wells, all 3 strikers with at least one Goal on the board- with two young strikers a relatively refreshed yet experienced Wells could still be of use. Yes agree with all of that Pops & Wells pen was top drawer but I'd be disappointed if I was Fally. I'd have Sykes over Mehmeti too. He's just more intelligent. Think good move to start Roberts. I really rate him. Another intelligent player with good delivery. The ball for Armstrong first half was exquisite & deserved a goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper 123 Posted Sunday at 16:36 Share Posted Sunday at 16:36 (edited) 4 hours ago, Super said: Weren't we behind against Millwall? Edited Sunday at 16:36 by Topper 123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down Town Posted Sunday at 16:39 Share Posted Sunday at 16:39 45 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: You said it’s the first time we have won from behind which explains my reaction He made a mistake but can't admit his mistake 44 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well it is a commonly understood definition. Exactly, you are wrong!! 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol City mad man Posted Sunday at 16:43 Share Posted Sunday at 16:43 4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: My criteria was literally... Conceding the first goal Then winning by whatever means. Vs Millwall and Hull in December, we scored first but went behind then won. There maybe were others too, I'm unsure? Think your selective stats have been exposed! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 16:44 Author Share Posted Sunday at 16:44 4 minutes ago, Down Town said: He made a mistake but can't admit his mistake Exactly, you are wrong!! 1 minute ago, Bristol City mad man said: Think your selective stats have been exposed! The Bristol Sport Brigade are still about today I see. 3 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 16:48 Author Share Posted Sunday at 16:48 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Topper 123 said: Look it's fairly simple. Concede first goal, yet win anyway. They are different different categories. The other category is score first, pegged back to level or behind but winning anyway. Millwall in August was one and what a good game it was too! Hull in December was another and gsme was also quite decent under the lights. Middlesbrough at Home, best remembered for a TGH screamer- that was also a decent gsme, like Millwall at Home we went 2 up, pegged back to 2-2, 3-2! If there are others I've forgotten in that second category I would welcome people pointing then out. Edited Sunday at 16:48 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol City mad man Posted Sunday at 16:58 Share Posted Sunday at 16:58 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The Bristol Sport Brigade are still about today I see. Haha made me chuckle, I’m pretty neutral as think he got his line up 100% wrong yesterday but got his subs 100% right, don’t think there is an issue with us coming back from behind as we have now done it 3+ times under him, I’m guessing over 35 or so games in charge that is prob about normish maybe in the championship, as a gambler I know the odds change a lot when a team goes behind! Key for me is getting the correct starting line up, Armstrong getting taken off after the hour every game doesn’t bother me as QPR fans will tell you he will blow in last 30 mins, we do need more half time subs from Liam, like Yu yesterday and Plymouth last season when he made 3 and changed the game, so he does need to be more brave at half time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Sunday at 16:59 Share Posted Sunday at 16:59 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Perhaps a better balanced version of Plan A then? Twine out left can inhibit us offensively, creatively and defensively? I dunno. Personally I don’t think there was a lot of difference in how we performed half to half overall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 17:01 Author Share Posted Sunday at 17:01 Just now, Bristol City mad man said: Haha made me chuckle, I’m pretty neutral as think he got his line up 100% wrong yesterday but got his subs 100% right, don’t think there is an issue with us coming back from behind as we have now done it 3+ times under him, I’m guessing over 35 or so games in charge that is prob about normish maybe in the championship, as a gambler I know the odds change a lot when a team goes behind! Key for me is getting the correct starting line up, Armstrong getting taken off after the hour every game doesn’t bother me as QPR fans will tell you he will blow in last 30 mins, we do need more half time subs from Liam, like Yu yesterday and Plymouth last season when he made 3 and changed the game, so he does need to be more brave at half time. Agree with a lot of your post, the Sinclair change and QPR views on fitness did cross my mind. The main premise was concede first goal and win..I think it's the first time under Manning and I'll credit him for that and his earlier changes than he often does. A bit braver a bit earlier could help a lot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDarwall Posted Sunday at 17:03 Share Posted Sunday at 17:03 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I dunno. Personally I don’t think there was a lot of difference in how we performed half to half overall. I think we are all guilty of being swayed by the score line sometimes. There was a guy that rang in to Radio Bristol after the game to say 1st half was unacceptable but 2nd half much better. I saw 2 v similar halves where we were pretty (not totally) dominant throughout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol City mad man Posted Sunday at 17:04 Share Posted Sunday at 17:04 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Agree with a lot of your post, the Sinclair change and QPR views on fitness did cross my mind. The main premise was concede first goal and win..I think it's the first time under Manning and I'll credit him for that and his earlier changes than he often does. A bit braver a bit earlier could help a lot. Yup agree there, braver half time changes from him is prob worth a fair few points over the season so hoping to see more of it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted Sunday at 17:07 Share Posted Sunday at 17:07 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I dunno. Personally I don’t think there was a lot of difference in how we performed half to half overall. Absolutely agree. Just a bit more urgency second half. Eye test it was similar. Stats test it was similar. Overall, I thought we thoroughly deserved to win and Oxford weren’t great. I also thought Bird was quality. In the pub afterwards a mate disagreed with all of those points!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted Sunday at 17:16 Share Posted Sunday at 17:16 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I dunno. Personally I don’t think there was a lot of difference in how we performed half to half overall. Think everyone who watched the game would say we were the better side for 90 minutes. Think we just had a bit more cutting edge second half. Anyone who didn’t would say it was a snatch and grab when that just wasn’t the case 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Sunday at 17:20 Share Posted Sunday at 17:20 9 minutes ago, TDarwall said: I think we are all guilty of being swayed by the score line sometimes. There was a guy that rang in to Radio Bristol after the game to say 1st half was unacceptable but 2nd half much better. I saw 2 v similar halves where we were pretty (not totally) dominant throughout. Steve From-Patchway I think. I was surprised by that. 5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Absolutely agree. Just a bit more urgency second half. Eye test it was similar. Stats test it was similar. Overall, I thought we thoroughly deserved to win and Oxford weren’t great. I also thought Bird was quality. In the pub afterwards a mate disagreed with all of those points!! Yep, game gets stretched a bit more naturally second half…and we should’ve been up at h-t imho. Bird kinda bypassed my eye-test yesterday. Sometimes I’m looking at other things, like the Knight press, Roberts positioning, so miss some things. I’d love to just watch a game and follow the ball, it’s a bit of a curse realky. Having said that I was glad to see him back in CM. And I think most on here concur with you re his performance, so that’s enough for me. I think he’s a real elegant distributor. And I hope that if he takes on the main role as the one to hold more often than not, we will get Knight to play a bit more like an 8m and we’ll see the best of him again. He got an assist yesterday, which has gone a bit unnoticed. It was a good pick out, and a crisp finish. I really want to watch the 90 back, so I can focus a bit more on Bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted Sunday at 17:40 Share Posted Sunday at 17:40 5 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Winning a game from behind. Is tbis the start of a new flexibility and resilience? Changing both the shape and the team at HT perhaps helped, getting Yu on, moving Twine central etc. Our Record prior to this in this regard was pitiful..16 League Games, 4 draws and 12 Losses. Think it was 1-1 at Huddersfield in December, 1-1 v Watford on Twine Loan debut, 2-2 at Coventry the next game and a last gasp 1-1 v Huddersfield with a Wells penalty that was contentious. That was it. Hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Twine should have been central first game he was available & imo bird was never a right fit for the 10 role . He’s better in midfield . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted Sunday at 17:51 Share Posted Sunday at 17:51 The only thing LM did was change the players and play them in their favoured positions and that was forced on him by Williams yellow card and looking like he may get another. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted Sunday at 17:57 Share Posted Sunday at 17:57 In what alternative universe do fans think “coming from behind” ONLY means winning after conceding the first goal? Never heard that in all my 68 years. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 18:37 Author Share Posted Sunday at 18:37 (edited) 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: Hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Twine should have been central first game he was available & imo bird was never a right fit for the 10 role . He’s better in midfield . Hopefully the penny has dropped over free In issues is all I'll say. I'm far from fully convinced that Manning is the right man but this has to be the start of something- what we don't want or need is streaks of wins, streaks of losses and a general inconsistency. Edited Sunday at 18:46 by Mr Popodopolous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted Sunday at 18:45 Share Posted Sunday at 18:45 6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Hopefully the penny has dropped over free In issues is all I'll say. I'm fat from fully convinced that Manning is the right man hut this has to be the start of something- what we don't want or need is streaks of wins, streaks of losses and a general inconsistency. Hope I’m wrong but I do see similarities in him & LJ. Both try & reinvent the wheel 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Sunday at 21:38 Share Posted Sunday at 21:38 3 hours ago, M.D said: The only thing LM did was change the players and play them in their favoured positions and that was forced on him by Williams yellow card and looking like he may get another. I don't think Knight was in his favoured position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted Sunday at 21:53 Share Posted Sunday at 21:53 9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: My criteria was literally... Conceding the first goal Then winning by whatever means. Vs Millwall and Hull in December, we scored first but went behind then won. There maybe were others too, I'm unsure? Should have been more specific. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 21:59 Author Share Posted Sunday at 21:59 5 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Should have been more specific. It's fairly obvious. The other week was quoted on OSIB and here as 0/16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted Sunday at 22:08 Admin Share Posted Sunday at 22:08 5 hours ago, Alan Dicks said: Remember they missed an absolute sitter, plus I think their keeper could have done a lot better from the Armstrong equaliser I'd say Armstrong missed a sitter putting his first half header wide 7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: It's fairly obvious. The other week was quoted on OSIB and here as 0/16. I'm late to this thread, but what is 0/16 please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 22:10 Author Share Posted Sunday at 22:10 Just now, phantom said: I'm late to this thread, but what is 0/16 please? The first 16 Games in which (League Games) we conceded first under LM. We drew 4, lost 12. Now maybe it wasn't such a bad record but it was factual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted Sunday at 22:23 Share Posted Sunday at 22:23 20 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: It's fairly obvious. The other week was quoted on OSIB and here as 0/16. I’m totally baffled. How can you say we didn’t “come from behind” when going from 3-2 down to 4-3 up? Why should that phrase only apply when we were behind first? I’m sorry but that is totally illogical and I don’t believe it’s a widely accepted definition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Sunday at 22:37 Author Share Posted Sunday at 22:37 10 minutes ago, Leveller said: I’m totally baffled. How can you say we didn’t “come from behind” when going from 3-2 down to 4-3 up? Why should that phrase only apply when we were behind first? I’m sorry but that is totally illogical and I don’t believe it’s a widely accepted definition. Sorry it is. So far, sides who score first gain an average of 2.12 PPG. Whereas sides who concede first? 0.66 PPG. I will rephrase, some people don't understand the importance of the first Goal clearly. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted Monday at 00:19 Share Posted Monday at 00:19 2 hours ago, phantom said: I'm late to this thread, but what is 0/16 please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtongreight Posted Monday at 00:53 Share Posted Monday at 00:53 12 hours ago, Davefevs said: I don’t think he changed the shape per se, “just” swapped the personnel within the shape when withdrawing Williams. On RB LM said in the first half Twine played the 10 role, but started wide left and cut in when in possession. Obviously second half Mehmeti didn’t play the 10 role in possession, so surely in LM’s mind he’d changed the formation ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednotblue Posted Monday at 05:41 Share Posted Monday at 05:41 15 hours ago, Davefevs said: 8. Williams off, 7. Hirakawa on 11. Mehmeti - RW to LW (where Twine was playing) 12. Knight - 10 to CM 10. Twine - LW to 10 Is this with the ball or just average position? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted Monday at 08:31 Share Posted Monday at 08:31 9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Sorry it is. So far, sides who score first gain an average of 2.12 PPG. Whereas sides who concede first? 0.66 PPG. I will rephrase, some people don't understand the importance of the first Goal clearly. Puzzled. Why have you posted all that? It may be of interest who scored first but it’s absolutely nothing to do with a definition of “coming from behind”. We obviously came from behind against Millwall. That’s undeniable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 08:32 Share Posted Monday at 08:32 2 hours ago, rednotblue said: Is this with the ball or just average position? Thanks Top one is just a simple “formation” graphic. The Twine and Mehmeti ones are average passing position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 08:33 Share Posted Monday at 08:33 1 minute ago, Leveller said: Puzzled. Why have you posted all that? It may be of interest who scored first but it’s absolutely nothing to do with a definition of “coming from behind”. We obviously came from behind against Millwall. That’s undeniable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted Monday at 09:10 Share Posted Monday at 09:10 20 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Winning a game from behind. Is tbis the start of a new flexibility and resilience? Changing both the shape and the team at HT perhaps helped, getting Yu on, moving Twine central etc. Our Record prior to this in this regard was pitiful..16 League Games, 4 draws and 12 Losses. Think it was 1-1 at Huddersfield in December, 1-1 v Watford on Twine Loan debut, 2-2 at Coventry the next game and a last gasp 1-1 v Huddersfield with a Wells penalty that was contentious. That was it. Basically YU got him out the s**t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted Monday at 09:11 Share Posted Monday at 09:11 37 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Highly amusing. But do you understand Mr P’s definition Dave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecknical Director Posted Monday at 09:14 Share Posted Monday at 09:14 16 hours ago, Davefevs said: I dunno. Personally I don’t think there was a lot of difference in how we performed half to half overall. I thought the same. I felt we were fairly consistent throughout the game. We were completely in control before their goal which was pretty fortuitous with the deflections which took it right into the path of the Oxford player. But that’s football isn’t it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Monday at 09:27 Share Posted Monday at 09:27 11 minutes ago, Tecknical Director said: I thought the same. I felt we were fairly consistent throughout the game. We were completely in control before their goal which was pretty fortuitous with the deflections which took it right into the path of the Oxford player. But that’s football isn’t it. This was my take as well. We were dominant. We did struggle with their counter attacking on a few occasions, but it was a rare 90 minutes performance in my eyes. Not perfect by any means, but fairly consistent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 09:29 Share Posted Monday at 09:29 1 minute ago, Leveller said: Highly amusing. But do you understand Mr P’s definition Dave? Yes, I do…although much better if he’d written as “x y and z results when LM concedes the first goal”. +++++ I always wondered how the likes of bbc and sky calculate their “points dropped” too, certainly when you get multiple swings in a match like Millwall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted Monday at 09:33 Share Posted Monday at 09:33 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Yes, I do…although much better if he’d written as “x y and z results when LM concedes the first goal”. +++++ I always wondered how the likes of bbc and sky calculate their “points dropped” too, certainly when you get multiple swings in a match like Millwall. Had he written that, it would make sense. To say that is the definition of winning from behind doesn’t - IMHO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Monday at 09:33 Share Posted Monday at 09:33 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Yes, I do…although much better if he’d written as “x y and z results when LM concedes the first goal”. +++++ I always wondered how the likes of bbc and sky calculate their “points dropped” too, certainly when you get multiple swings in a match like Millwall. When was that spell where we kept conceding late goals, maybe early Nige, before he got a bit of backbone into us? I see Sheffield Wednesday have that curse at the moment. Two games running Bannan has put them ahead, only for them to crumble. It's a nasty habit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 09:38 Author Share Posted Monday at 09:38 Either way, however anyone wants to describe it, it was the first time that we won when conceding first under Manning. Bottom line, finito. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted Monday at 09:40 Share Posted Monday at 09:40 19 hours ago, Davefevs said: 8. Williams off, 7. Hirakawa on 11. Mehmeti - RW to LW (where Twine was playing) 12. Knight - 10 to CM 10. Twine - LW to 10 How on earth would any manager with this squad decide to start with that 11. It makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted Monday at 09:47 Share Posted Monday at 09:47 19 hours ago, Davefevs said: 8. Williams off, 7. Hirakawa on 11. Mehmeti - RW to LW (where Twine was playing) 12. Knight - 10 to CM 10. Twine - LW to 10 I must admit, I thought we went to a Back 3 second half with Roberts and Hirakawa as Wing backs that didn't need to defend... GT ZV LM YH MB JK HR ST AM SA I know Tanner has been a lot more conservative this season but thought it was even more so second half Saturday and the extra Central defender seemed to improve Mcnally's performance after a very shaky first half! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 09:47 Share Posted Monday at 09:47 3 minutes ago, mozo said: This was my take as well. We were dominant. We did struggle with their counter attacking on a few occasions, but it was a rare 90 minutes performance in my eyes. Not perfect by any means, but fairly consistent. It was the closest we’ve come to a 90 min performance in a while. Opponents will always have spells, just need us to avoid them having long spells. I thought McEachran didn’t get any passes in midfield until they scored, then suddenly he’s popping balls around for 5-10 mins. But that was the only “spell”, perhaps highlights a lack of resilience / leadership / whatever to losing a goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Monday at 09:56 Share Posted Monday at 09:56 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It was the closest we’ve come to a 90 min performance in a while. Opponents will always have spells, just need us to avoid them having long spells. I thought McEachran didn’t get any passes in midfield until they scored, then suddenly he’s popping balls around for 5-10 mins. But that was the only “spell”, perhaps highlights a lack of resilience / leadership / whatever to losing a goal. Yeah agreed. God it's so frustrating when you're on top in a game, then the opposition score and suddenly they're pinging it around with ease and you're playing a different team. Football is a merciless sport. Sorry to keep asking you for things, but you've helpfully shared a chart before that shows the spells of dominance across a game? Where can I find that? Edited Monday at 09:56 by mozo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 09:58 Share Posted Monday at 09:58 18 minutes ago, mozo said: When was that spell where we kept conceding late goals, maybe early Nige, before he got a bit of backbone into us? I see Sheffield Wednesday have that curse at the moment. Two games running Bannan has put them ahead, only for them to crumble. It's a nasty habit. Think much of that was fitness / fatigue, players tiring, yet inferior players on the bench, so opposition strengthened through subs, we became weaker, or left the players on who became more tired. 4 minutes ago, hinsleburg said: I must admit, I thought we went to a Back 3 second half with Roberts and Hirakawa as Wing backs that didn't need to defend... GT ZV LM YH MB JK HR ST AM SA I know Tanner has been a lot more conservative this season but thought it was even more so second half Saturday and the extra Central defender seemed to improve Mcnally's performance after a very shaky first half! Funny you say that, the way we lined up at k-o suggested that too, but as soon as the game got back to normality it became 4231. Think this is the in / out of possession stuff coming into the equation again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 09:59 Share Posted Monday at 09:59 2 minutes ago, mozo said: Yeah agreed. God it's so frustrating when you're on top in a game, then the opposition score and suddenly they're pinging it around with ease and you're playing a different team. Football is a merciless sport. Sorry to keep asking you for things, but you've helpfully shared a chart before that shows the spells of dominance across a game? Where can I find that? Sofascore: Bar the period after they scored, they offered nothing all game. They were poor. We also made sure we made them poor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted Monday at 10:15 Share Posted Monday at 10:15 1 hour ago, Leveller said: with a definition of “coming from behind”. Me and the Mrs have an entirely different definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted Monday at 11:14 Author Share Posted Monday at 11:14 On the flipside when we score first under LM, again League only- our record is strong! P17W12D3L2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted Monday at 11:27 Share Posted Monday at 11:27 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Sofascore: Bar the period after they scored, they offered nothing all game. They were poor. We also made sure we made them poor. You, sir, are a legend! Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted Monday at 11:35 Share Posted Monday at 11:35 1 hour ago, hinsleburg said: I must admit, I thought we went to a Back 3 second half with Roberts and Hirakawa as Wing backs that didn't need to defend... GT ZV LM YH MB JK HR ST AM SA I know Tanner has been a lot more conservative this season but thought it was even more so second half Saturday and the extra Central defender seemed to improve Mcnally's performance after a very shaky first half! I started watching the game last night, only 20 mins or so in but we were clearly playing a back 3 in possession in that time. Robert’s was playing high as a WB and Twine more central in a left sided 10. A bit of the 3-4-2-1 from last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted Monday at 11:49 Share Posted Monday at 11:49 12 minutes ago, MarcusX said: I started watching the game last night, only 20 mins or so in but we were clearly playing a back 3 in possession in that time. Robert’s was playing high as a WB and Twine more central in a left sided 10. A bit of the 3-4-2-1 from last season. This is the crux of it isn’t it? Trying to transition from 4231 without to 3421 with, and vice versa. In particular the expectations of Pring / Roberts. 16th minute - Oxford in possession: Just gonna have to adjust how we talk / write about these things. Notwithstanding what issues I think it creates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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