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53 minutes ago, One Team said:

The other distinct difference was how joined up Nige, Gould and Tinnion seemed to be. It felt very positive and confidence building at the time. 

The key word is 'appeared'.

Pretty confident Nigel and Gould were on the same page though...

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1 minute ago, Superjack said:

The key word is 'appeared'.

Pretty confident Nigel and Gould were on the same page though...

Well quite, Tinnion was supportive in the beginning but then didn’t like Nige being in control. 

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Thought Gould and NP were an excellent top team, how far it's fallen.

Rawcliffe is good at his role, Manning jury out but Tinnion in his present position, Jon Lansdown and possibly even Gavin Marshall...hmm.

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1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

You gotta think that’s question one! 
 

I don’t even mind playing one forward, but sometimes you need to mix it up. We are so bloody predictable. As has been said Plan B is to do Plan A better, but we never do. 
 

Manning is not reactive to the opposition changing formations/tactics to our cost particularly at Portman Rd last season.

He’d probably say that he doesn’t need two up top as there are midfielders able to get forward………:dunno: but our goal return is pretty poor already.

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I'm sure someone would be able to compile a list of quotes by BT on twitter, and ask him as a Director, as to whether it's professional to do so.

And also a list of quotes by the Club as to their expectations over the past two seasons, and why they keep changing.

And point out that the majority of fans don't believe these expectations and it puts undue pressure on any coach/manager.

Ask also what experience BT has, apart from running the academy and playing for us, that warrants his position of Technical Director.

Also to JL...that he's learnt on the job so to speak. Was given the job by his father. With what he's learnt, does he think another Club would consider his experience worthy and employ him in such a position. 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Manning is not reactive to the opposition changing formations/tactics to our cost particularly at Portman Rd last season.

He’d probably say that he doesn’t need two up top as there are midfielders able to get forward………:dunno: but our goal return is pretty poor already.

It's a matter of conversion  to an extent.

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2 strikers doesn't necessarily change that. Blue means outperforming, Red means less than they should. -3.42 Net perhaps.

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33 minutes ago, redordead1 said:

I’ll start as sadly I’ll be abroad and hoping someone who can attend can ask.

"Jon Lansdown, Brian Tinnion, and Liam Manning, Bristol City is a club situated in one of the largest cities in the country, yet it remains one of the most underperforming clubs in European football. Jon, you have no senior management experience in or outside of football prior to being appointed chairman by your father. Brian, you’ve had no significant managerial success at any club to justify a Director of Football role. Liam, you’ve never managed at this level or achieved a promotion in your career.

Given this collective lack of qualifications and the years of failed decisions by ownership, why should fans have any faith that the three of you are capable of steering this club in the right direction? What have any of you shown to suggest you're the right people to break this cycle of underachievement?"

 

I’m wondering how far you get through this before you get escorted out of the lounge! 😂😂😂

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35 minutes ago, redordead1 said:

I’ll start as sadly I’ll be abroad and hoping someone who can attend can ask.

"Jon Lansdown, Brian Tinnion, and Liam Manning, Bristol City is a club situated in one of the largest cities in the country, yet it remains one of the most underperforming clubs in European football. Jon, you have no senior management experience in or outside of football prior to being appointed chairman by your father. Brian, you’ve had no significant managerial success at any club to justify a Director of Football role. Liam, you’ve never managed at this level or achieved a promotion in your career.

Given this collective lack of qualifications and the years of failed decisions by ownership, why should fans have any faith that the three of you are capable of steering this club in the right direction? What have any of you shown to suggest you're the right people to break this cycle of underachievement?"

 

I only laugh as one of Jon or Brian would have faked a heart attack and been carried out before you finished the question . 🤣

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36 minutes ago, redordead1 said:

I’ll start as sadly I’ll be abroad and hoping someone who can attend can ask.

"Jon Lansdown, Brian Tinnion, and Liam Manning, Bristol City is a club situated in one of the largest cities in the country, yet it remains one of the most underperforming clubs in European football. Jon, you have no senior management experience in or outside of football prior to being appointed chairman by your father. Brian, you’ve had no significant managerial success at any club to justify a Director of Football role. Liam, you’ve never managed at this level or achieved a promotion in your career.

Given this collective lack of qualifications and the years of failed decisions by ownership, why should fans have any faith that the three of you are capable of steering this club in the right direction? What have any of you shown to suggest you're the right people to break this cycle of underachievement?"

 

I’d love someone to ask a question like that. I reckon at least one of them would start crying. 

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24 minutes ago, Superjack said:

The key word is 'appeared'.

Pretty confident Nigel and Gould were on the same page though...

Not always. They had disagreements, always professional of course, but Gould did his fair share of management in that relationship.

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2 minutes ago, glynriley said:

I’d love someone to ask a question like that. I reckon at least one of them would start crying. 

I’ve signed up to attend, but then realised I’m out of the country which is annoying. Joking aside, this is the type of question I’d love to hear them attempt to answer.
 

As many others have pointed out, this wouldn’t wash at any other club our size and they shouldn’t be allowed to hide.

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23 minutes ago, spudski said:

I'm sure someone would be able to compile a list of quotes by BT on twitter, and ask him as a Director, as to whether it's professional to do so.

And also a list of quotes by the Club as to their expectations over the past two seasons, and why they keep changing.

And point out that the majority of fans don't believe these expectations and it puts undue pressure on any coach/manager.

Ask also what experience BT has, apart from running the academy and playing for us, that warrants his position of Technical Director.

Also to JL...that he's learnt on the job so to speak. Was given the job by his father. With what he's learnt, does he think another Club would consider his experience worthy and employ him in such a position. 

 

 

 

We’re on the same page. Have a look at my last thread/post, very similar 😂

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8 minutes ago, redordead1 said:

I’ve signed up to attend, but then realised I’m out of the country which is annoying. Joking aside, this is the type of question I’d love to hear them attempt to answer.
 

As many others have pointed out, this wouldn’t wash at any other club our size and they shouldn’t be allowed to hide.

our bunch of chicken shit tossers will have a panic button under the table that sets the fire alarms off

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5 minutes ago, redordead1 said:

We’re on the same page. Have a look at my last thread/post, very similar 😂

Sorry bud...I missed your post. Was skim reading. But I agree totally. 

I'd also ask whether there has been anymore interest in people wanting to buy/ buy into the Club. 

And that many now feel the Lansdowns have taken us as far as possible and change is needed. 

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I would also read out the list of managers/coaches that the Lansdowns have employed in their time here.

Then point out to them, where they are now. 

And is it reasonable to say that their judgement of choosing managers and timing/ reasons for sacking is very questionable. 

https://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=376&teamTabs=managers

 

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I would ask something like;

If the team (as it is right now) is playing exactly how Liam wants his teams to play football, is this the full identity of a Liam Manning side?

If not, then what needs to improve? 

If yes, then I'll be bringing a sleeping bag to AG. It's getting colder now.

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1 hour ago, redordead1 said:

I’ll start as sadly I’ll be abroad and hoping someone who can attend can ask.

"Jon Lansdown, Brian Tinnion, and Liam Manning, Bristol City is a club situated in one of the largest cities in the country, yet it remains one of the most underperforming clubs in European football. Jon, you have no senior management experience in or outside of football prior to being appointed chairman by your father. Brian, you’ve had no significant managerial success at any club to justify a Director of Football role. Liam, you’ve never managed at this level or achieved a promotion in your career.

Given this collective lack of qualifications and the years of failed decisions by ownership, why should fans have any faith that the three of you are capable of steering this club in the right direction? What have any of you shown to suggest you're the right people to break this cycle of underachievement?"

 

Brilliant 👏 

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Re the recruitment , I think we have signed good players for the future but weren't we supposed to be challenging this year ?  

What was the thinking behind spending so much time chasing Twine and then signing Earthy ?  If we thought we would get the deal done for Twine why bring in a young prospect that obviously was looking to get regular games ?

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1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Not always. They had disagreements, always professional of course, but Gould did his fair share of management in that relationship.

Fair play to Richard, think that’s called grown up behaviour.

How I miss that.

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1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Fair play to Richard, think that’s called grown up behaviour.

How I miss that.

Yep, they didn’t always see eye to eye, but both understood the other’s viewpoint.

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7 hours ago, HengroveReds said:

I would’ve like to seen club captain Jason Knight on the panel, from a players insight. 

He may be back from international duty by then, as Ireland's last game is away against Greece on Sunday 13th...

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I wont be there, but would love it if someone could ask the following....

 

'Sunderland last season were one of the worst teams from january 1st until the end of the season. They sold their best player in the summer, spent very little to add to the squad, employed a completely unknown manager who now has them sat top of the championship and playing well - hes done this in 9 games. Why does our head coach need over 40 games to get his behaviours and practises across? Is it because the players arent that good or the head coach isnt that good?'

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3 hours ago, redordead1 said:

I’ll start as sadly I’ll be abroad and hoping someone who can attend can ask.

"Jon Lansdown, Brian Tinnion, and Liam Manning, Bristol City is a club situated in one of the largest cities in the country, yet it remains one of the most underperforming clubs in European football. Jon, you have no senior management experience in or outside of football prior to being appointed chairman by your father. Brian, you’ve had no significant managerial success at any club to justify a Director of Football role. Liam, you’ve never managed at this level or achieved a promotion in your career.

Given this collective lack of qualifications and the years of failed decisions by ownership, why should fans have any faith that the three of you are capable of steering this club in the right direction? What have any of you shown to suggest you're the right people to break this cycle of underachievement?"

 

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Who is resposible for signing off the kit designs?  (I think we know, but would be good to hear it officially)

 

Shouldn't there be more fan involvment in the designs, as it's us that buy them?  

 

 

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Has the remit for this season changed dramatically since your appointment? 
The fans were specifically told that the squad was top 10/6 whatever it was… was that an honest assessment by the board in oct 2023?

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My question would be……

This question is for all 3 of you but mainly Jon and Brian. Do you genuinely believe that you are in touch with the fanbase? If ‘Yes’ then you must understand why we have little faith in this club moving forward as you continue to make the same mistakes over and over again 

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4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

In fairness last year they didn’t want to hold it on club premises, wanted it to be “neutral”, but as @phantom said it ended up not be great logistically.  So makes sense to use club imho.

That’ll be that “Bernie” schooling 😂😂😂

Haha, probably right Dave

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9 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Only the Cardiff game... 

Win that and I'd say they'll all be in for a very easy night at the Q&A.

I would hope a win over Cardiff doesn't change the sort of night they'd be in for.

A home win over bottom of the table Cardiff would not be a sign that things are improving. It'd be merely papering over some very large cracks. 

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He initially   spoke about our club's  tradition of bringing players through from the academy when he first came here, yet he appears to be ignoring young lads like Elijah Morrison and Raekwon Nelson Etc?  Does he intend to make more use of talented young academy prospects   in the future?

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Ask Jon why the shop is so shit  poor 

How can we release new lines and sell out within a day so often ? 

Why is stock always so limited

Why with every supplier are we the higher end of the price scale compared to other teams they supply ?

In fact just stick with , why is the shop so shit ?

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14 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Re the recruitment , I think we have signed good players for the future but weren't we supposed to be challenging this year ?  

I think it would be good to ask, why there is so much confusion about our targets and expectations, with mixed messages from the club, and a transfer strategy that appears to be geared to the future, not the present?

It would be good for the club to publicly set this straight.

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44 minutes ago, mozo said:

I think it would be good to ask, why there is so much confusion about our targets and expectations, with mixed messages from the club, and a transfer strategy that appears to be geared to the future, not the present?

It would be good for the club to publicly set this straight.

Top Q

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7 minutes ago, phantom said:

Is this the confirmation everyone else received? 

 

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Although mine said arrive by 6.50pm because there is a light show. They are currently labelling the switches with "on and off" so our teknikal Director doesn't get confused.

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On 04/10/2024 at 13:07, One Team said:

Absolutely I hope some decent probing questions get asked.

As you say the last one was so embarrassing with the ultimate cringe moment being the fan who started off a round of applause for the Lansdown’s. 🤢

It could be bumpy if we have a bad set of results leading up to it. 

I will boo. 😂

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17 hours ago, 42nite said:

Who is resposible for signing off the kit designs?  (I think we know, but would be good to hear it officially)

 

Shouldn't there be more fan involvment in the designs, as it's us that buy them?  

 

 

Stevie Wonder.

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28 minutes ago, Tecknical Director said:

I see the “I’d ask this this question, but” brigade are out in force. 

I see someone who's been a member of the forum for two weeks has concluded there's a "brigade"... 

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2 hours ago, BobBobBobbin said:

I see someone who's been a member of the forum for two weeks has concluded there's a "brigade"... 

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They do have a point though, people post over months what they'd say to the club, now here's their chance to 

Sadly if those people that ask the crap questions are the only one's to turn up that's the mess we get 

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21 minutes ago, phantom said:

They do have a point though, people post over months what they'd say to the club, no here's their chance to 

Sadly if those people that ask the crap questions are the only one's to turn up that's the mess we get 

The club should provide an opportunity to those that can’t make it to submit questions in advance.

Club were quite happy to accept questions from fans in Liam’s appointment interview.  I don’t see why a Fans Forum should differentiate.

At the last FF the final lot of questions were pretty similar to ones earlier.

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

The club should provide an opportunity to those that can’t make it to submit questions in advance.

Club were quite happy to accept questions from fans in Liam’s appointment interview.  I don’t see why a Fans Forum should differentiate.

At the last FF the final lot of questions were pretty similar to ones earlier.

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think they've previously invited questions via social media during the Forum? Not sure if any of those have been used, and obviously in that circumstance there very much is an opportunity to moderate what is asked.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

The club should provide an opportunity to those that can’t make it to submit questions in advance.

Club were quite happy to accept questions from fans in Liam’s appointment interview.  I don’t see why a Fans Forum should differentiate.

At the last FF the final lot of questions were pretty similar to ones earlier.

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Pretty sure questions are always only taken from those in the room hence the name fans forum. 

If its submitted questions it's pretty pointless opening it up for people to attend 

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1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

think they've previously invited questions via social media during the Forum? Not sure if any of those have been used, and obviously in that circumstance there very much is an opportunity to moderate what is asked.

Exactly this, a chance to pick questions of choice 

I don't accept that all the vocal people on here are unable to make it 

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1 hour ago, phantom said:

They do have a point though, people post over months what they'd say to the club, no here's their chance to 

Sadly if those people that ask the crap questions are the only one's to turn up that's the mess we get 

There is a point yes, I do agree. But there's also a myriad of reasons why some might not want to put their head above the parapet in "the real world". 

It goes back to my earlier suggestion regarding the SCAT taking some of the better questions forward as our "representatives". I think there's a place for anonymity regarding holding to account, My work does it quite well, through things like slido at Q&A events; most upvoted questions get asked and discussed and there is an opportunity to ask a follow up should someone wish "live". 

What's clear is, we've lost even the semblance of scrutiny from the local press, Geoff's retirement and the loss of Piercy has left a gaping hole in that regard and (you'll be able to correct me if I'm wrong, and this isn't meant as a dig at all) the SCAT seems to be given afterthought status from the club in terms of their responses to anything that gets raised. 

There's a problem and these fans forums often seem to set up in a way that gives the club a get out of jail free card. Two weeks notice for a midweek engagement isn't enough time for many to organise childcare/travel/work etc. 1% of our attendance average can attend, too. They can say they gave an opportunity to all, but that isn't necessarily the reality.

I don't get the feeling that the club really gives a toss about our opinions on things, which is why most of the questions people want to ask are designed to make the person answering it uncomfortable. Because that's all we have left at this football club. 

"see you in the Prem" indeed. 

 

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27 minutes ago, phantom said:

Pretty sure questions are always only taken from those in the room hence the name fans forum. 

If its submitted questions it's pretty pointless opening it up for people to attend 

You never been in a Q&A where the audience are a bit intimidated to ask as per @BobBobBobbin post, or it dries up and the compère is glad to have a few questions up his sleeve?

People don’t attend just to ask, but to listen.  Wasn’t it on a live feed last couple of years, so why does it matter if you’re there or not?

26 minutes ago, phantom said:

Exactly this, a chance to pick questions of choice 

I don't accept that all the vocal people on here are unable to make it 

And in a way that’s fine, albeit a waste of an opportunity to let the club and other fans know the mood outside the room.

Have all the (so called) vocal people said they aren’t going then, or is that an opinion based on a couple of threads opened up.

I’ve been asked if I’d raise a question on someone’s behalf because they aren’t confident to ask it or can’t attend.  I’ve also asked someone to raise a question on my behalf in the past because I can’t make it.

I would’ve thought as part of SC&T you’d want to try and get / encourage as representative a bunch of questions as possible, not just from those who can attend.

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There is something missing from this thread. 
It’s glaringly obvious. 
 

Where is the Seagull? 
 

I remember last years forum and he was on here saying he wasn’t able to make it but if he did he’d have asked this, that and the other. 
 

Here’s your chance birdy. 
 

For someone who posts on pretty much every thread, about 50+ times per day, you are very inconspicuous by your absence. 
 

So please, @W-S-M Seagull can you confirm that you are attending and will be posing some questions. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

You never been in a Q&A where the audience are a bit intimidated to ask as per @BobBobBobbin post, or it dries up and the compère is glad to have a few questions up his sleeve?

People don’t attend just to ask, but to listen.  Wasn’t it on a live feed last couple of years, so why does it matter if you’re there or not?

And in a way that’s fine, albeit a waste of an opportunity to let the club and other fans know the mood outside the room.

Have all the (so called) vocal people said they aren’t going then, or is that an opinion based on a couple of threads opened up.

I’ve been asked if I’d raise a question on someone’s behalf because they aren’t confident to ask it or can’t attend.  I’ve also asked someone to raise a question on my behalf in the past because I can’t make it.

I would’ve thought as part of SC&T you’d want to try and get / encourage as representative a bunch of questions as possible, not just from those who can attend.

Not personally no, when I attend I would go on the basis of trying to ask a question, of course some people are uncomfortable asking in public but it gives us fans the opportunity not to blindly raise questions on an Internet forum, I'd hope there'll be lots of questions considering all 256 tickets have been allocated. 

I'd be against pre submitted questions as it gives the opportunity for "tougher" questions to not be asked and "easier" questions to be asked. 

As this isn't a SC&T event I'll be attending as a supporter like everyone else, I would more than happily take questions forward but don't want to be asking multiple questions when people have made the effort to attend.

You know that for the past few months I've taken personal responsibility for taking many questions off here and asking them either at our SC&T meetings or meetings with Tom Rawcliffe and other members of Bristol City / Sport before either replying on the open forum or to the person in person.

I should also remind everyone that I'm not the only SC&T board member who posts on OTIB and that there are a total of 12 of us on the board that can be contacted. 

Of course the other thing, the club will shortly be looking for people to join the FAB so there will be more opportunities in the future for people to have a voice 

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People start growing the minerals and asking difficult, to the point, near the knuckle, questions, and these Fans forums will mysteriously dry up. Only reason they hold these things still is the guarantee of a soft-soaping 2 hours with Cats coach number one asking dafty, cringe "questions."

When is Jordan Wynter getting a chance? I'd like to know the answer to this, mind ....

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My only comment here is whether, in view of reasonably short notice and inability to attend, whether there is potential to add in a Zoom or Teams or similar video link? I agree with a lot of the posts that it’s unreasonable to ask people to speak/ask on their behalf, but such a system should alleviate that. You could even do a hybrid here - people put questions on teams, the most upvoted ones are then asked by the person on teams who raised them.

For me, I logistically couldn’t attend. But I’m more than happy to join remotely and ask a question if it was upvoted enough. Seems to give the best of both worlds and people couldn’t be accused of “hiding” then.

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9 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

People start growing the minerals and asking difficult, to the point, near the knuckle, questions, and these Fans forums will mysteriously dry up. Only reason they hold these things still is the guarantee of a soft-soaping 2 hours with Cats coach number one asking dafty, cringe "questions."

When is Jordan Wynter getting a chance? I'd like to know the answer to this, mind ....

They're an EFL requirement so they shouldn't "mysteriously dry up" even if someone really gets their feelings hurt. 

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