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There’s one question I’d LOVE to ask Tinnion:

”When you appointed Liam Manning 12 months ago, you said it was to make that final push with a top-end squad. Given that position wise and points wise the team is no better off than when he came, were you wrong about the squad or the appointment?”

(Follow-up question, clearly, is if you were wrong about the squad 12 months ago why are you right about it now?)

I wish we had a local journalist capable of asking that question. It’s not rude, it’s not confrontational, but I’d love to hear him tie himself in knots trying to answer it.

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3 minutes ago, The Journalist said:

There’s one question I’d LOVE to ask Tinnion:

”When you appointed Liam Manning 12 months ago, you said it was to make that final push with a top-end squad. Given that position wise and points wise the team is no better off than when he came, were you wrong about the squad or the appointment?”

(Follow-up question, clearly, is if you were wrong about the squad 12 months ago why are you right about it now?)

I wish we had a local journalist capable of asking that question. It’s not rude, it’s not confrontational, but I’d love to hear him tie himself in knots trying to answer it.

he wouldnt tho,you'd get 'we beat millwall'

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13 minutes ago, BS3 Ark at Ee said:

These clowns need to be held accountable! To be fair our fanbase need to take some responsibility for not voicing our anger/disappointment in them strongly enough!! 

They are taking the p including this failed manager, they will continue to do so while they keep taking your money.

We dont do nothing so they wont do nothing, make your feelings known, walk out for a few mins if you have to keep giving them what they crave.....your money.

Not enough will, so same old same old....bullsh1te

 

 

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16 minutes ago, SuperDziek said:

That interview has aged as well as a bottle of Liebfraumilch.

What an absolute fraud he is. Front foot attacking exciting football indeed

Hard to remember being so bored in 40 years of supporting the City.

dont worry,theres only 37 games to go then this season will all be over 😃

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Great listen.

Particularly impressed by the plans to reduce injuries, only 6 hamstring ones so far this season.

What an absolute load of nonsense it is, nothing that he says has actually happened.

Shambles.

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2 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

The saddest thing for me is that man made me fall in love with Bristol City as a player

 

It didn't start out very well for him at City. He used to get some fearful stick from the enclosure when he first arrived. 

What was the turning point for his career here? Was it the Liverpool game or before that? I can't really remember. 

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1 minute ago, One man went.... said:

It didn't start out very well for him at City. He used to get some fearful stick from the enclosure when he first arrived. 

What was the turning point for his career here? Was it the Liverpool game or before that? I can't really remember. 

Hopefully the last twelve months.

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“We want to be a front foot team, a team that plays forward, we want to be aggressive, a team that excites the fans”

”Is the camera off?”

“Yeah forget everything I just said, go and find me a boring bastard who has his team playing sideways and backwards and bores the fans rigid”

 

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4 hours ago, fly in the air said:

so what are you going to do with Manning. no youngsters coming to the squad. not front foot football and not at the top end of the table. 

..but apart from that it's going well.:whistle2:

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The difference between what was promised  and what’s being delivered is quite staggering.  I do hope this is pressed hard at Fans Forum (do wish there was wider ticket availability as a side note)

It’s like ordering cod, chips and mushy peas in the chippy but given something completely different because the shop owner and the chip cutter think you’ll prefer that.

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3 hours ago, The Journalist said:

There’s one question I’d LOVE to ask Tinnion:

”When you appointed Liam Manning 12 months ago, you said it was to make that final push with a top-end squad. Given that position wise and points wise the team is no better off than when he came, were you wrong about the squad or the appointment?”

(Follow-up question, clearly, is if you were wrong about the squad 12 months ago why are you right about it now?)

I wish we had a local journalist capable of asking that question. It’s not rude, it’s not confrontational, but I’d love to hear him tie himself in knots trying to answer it.

So go to the forum and ask him?

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3 hours ago, The Journalist said:

There’s one question I’d LOVE to ask Tinnion:

”When you appointed Liam Manning 12 months ago, you said it was to make that final push with a top-end squad. Given that position wise and points wise the team is no better off than when he came, were you wrong about the squad or the appointment?”

(Follow-up question, clearly, is if you were wrong about the squad 12 months ago why are you right about it now?)

I wish we had a local journalist capable of asking that question. It’s not rude, it’s not confrontational, but I’d love to hear him tie himself in knots trying to answer it.

Well.... You could always attend the forum and be The Journalist who does ask it....

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3 minutes ago, Floatn Over said:

The difference between what was promised  and what’s being delivered is quite staggering.  I do hope this is pressed hard at Fans Forum (do wish there was wider ticket availability as a side note)

It’s like ordering cod, chips and mushy peas in the chippy but given something completely different because the shop owner and the chip cutter think you’ll prefer that.

So why don't you go and ask the question?

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4 hours ago, One Team said:

I completely expect him to appoint Mickey Bell as manager if Manning gets sacked. 

 

4 hours ago, GrahamC said:

My money is on Matty Hewlett.

 

58 minutes ago, One Team said:

I’ll raise you a Cole Skuse…. 🤢

 

56 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I'll raise you a Scotty may only be the kit man in some people's eyes   but ....

 

29 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said:

I take your Scotty and raise you a Lee Johnson ......

You know what, of take any and all of them right now if it meant getting that cretin out of our club. I've said it before that I don't believe there's anybody out there who could do a worse and more destructive job than Captain Dumblebore.

Massively responsible for so many of us being bored rigid and questioning why we bother on a Saturday afternoon.

I'm really not a massive fan of the Poundland Eddie Howe, but I hide it well......

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3 hours ago, YorkshireSection said:

I sincerely believe that should Manning be sacked that smarmy Steve will give the job to Tinman, telling us how much more experience he has now, unfortunately it’s experience of talking rubbish and making shit decisions.

 

Nothing would surprise me in La La Lansdown Land!

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7 hours ago, Floatn Over said:

The difference between what was promised  and what’s being delivered is quite staggering.  I do hope this is pressed hard at Fans Forum (do wish there was wider ticket availability as a side note)

It’s like ordering cod, chips and mushy peas in the chippy but given something completely different because the shop owner and the chip cutter think you’ll prefer that.

There must be a future for BT in politics then!

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11 hours ago, The Journalist said:

 

I wish we had a local journalist capable of asking that question. It’s not rude, it’s not confrontational, but I’d love to hear him tie himself in knots trying to answer it.

 They are there to represent the fans and ask the tough questions on our behalf.  It’s not too much to ask is it
 

 

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4 hours ago, YorkshireSection said:

I sincerely believe that should Manning be sacked that smarmy Steve will give the job to Tinman, telling us how much more experience he has now, unfortunately it’s experience of talking rubbish and making shit decisions.

 

Not a chance in a million.

Tinnion isn’t very bright but even he’s smart enough to know he would be in the firing line then.

He’s manoeuvred himself into a position where he doesn’t get sacked no matter how shit things are on the pitch.

He’s talked already about creating a continuity behind the scenes.

Jobs for life (as long as the Lansdowns are here) for him & his chosen ones.

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21 minutes ago, Graham76 said:

 They are there to represent the fans and ask the tough questions on our behalf.  It’s not too much to ask is it
 

 

No, they're not. They're there to be impartial. That doesn't mean they'll ask the tough questions that need asking, but they are there to report on what they see and hear and not for any one party.

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12 hours ago, The Journalist said:

There’s one question I’d LOVE to ask Tinnion:

”When you appointed Liam Manning 12 months ago, you said it was to make that final push with a top-end squad. Given that position wise and points wise the team is no better off than when he came, were you wrong about the squad or the appointment?”

(Follow-up question, clearly, is if you were wrong about the squad 12 months ago why are you right about it now?)

I wish we had a local journalist capable of asking that question. It’s not rude, it’s not confrontational, but I’d love to hear him tie himself in knots trying to answer it.

And on a similar theme:

"It is now just over a year since Phil Alexander left and the club dissolved the post of CEO, so giving this club an unusual board set up. Given that position wise and points wise the team is not materially better off than it was at that time, how do you evaluate that decision now?"

Alexander left on 17 September last year. 6 games had been played and we were 11th with 9 points.

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Somewhat completely off topic but not really its own thread worthy..

I've just seen this video and about 3 mins in Phil Brown explains the backroom setup they have. With loads of them having top level experience on and off the pitch.

I'm sat here wondering how the hell Kidderminster Harriers seem to have a far better set up than us!

 

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11 hours ago, One man went.... said:

It didn't start out very well for him at City. He used to get some fearful stick from the enclosure when he first arrived. 

What was the turning point for his career here? Was it the Liverpool game or before that? I can't really remember. 

He scored the winner against the Gas from the penalty spot in his second game didn’t he? 

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1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Not a chance in a million.

Tinnion isn’t very bright but even he’s smart enough to know he would be in the firing line then.

He’s manoeuvred himself into a position where he doesn’t get sacked no matter how shit things are on the pitch.

He’s talked already about creating a continuity behind the scenes.

Jobs for life (as long as the Lansdowns are here) for him & his chosen ones.

He may think he has a job for life, but the Lansdowns always need a fall guy, and with Manning being a Tinnion recommended appointment, he'll find himself in the crosshairs pretty quickly if it all goes wrong. 

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3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He may think he has a job for life, but the Lansdowns always need a fall guy, and with Manning being a Tinnion recommended appointment, he'll find himself in the crosshairs pretty quickly if it all goes wrong. 

Time will tell, my hunch is he’ll dump on Manning pretty soon if results are poor in the next four or five.

Expect him to say “he’s not used the Academy” a lot.

I don’t think he’ll get the boot until they sell up.

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I’ve been very critical of SL, JL and BT.

But I’ve got to say - there is some sympathy there from me for a few of them.

I do sincerely believe in the case of BT and JL the good intention is absolutely there; looking at that video I think BT (and JL in his) genuinely believed what they said and that’s what they wanted.

But we can all say words. I could get up in front of a camera and spin all that stuff and sound convincing. 

The reality is we’re seeing that saying and doing are two entirely different things - and ultimately we’re seeing the result of the wrong, unqualified, untalented people, who lack the experience and skills in the very key positions that need multiple key attributes.

Somtimes hard work and good intentions simply aren’t enough. The CEO roles are for the best of the best, the highest achievers.

That’s where my frustrations boil over with SL who simply time and again puts the wrong people in the wrong roles - with the obvious negative consequences - often because he has a hunch on them or they are good humans who create a nice atmosphere. 

We lack a lot of the drive and ruthlessness needed to succeed in football and that appears to trickle down from the top.

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16 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

We lack a lot of the drive and ruthlessness needed to succeed in football and that appears to trickle down from the top.

There's a lot of truth in this. 

We simply aren't aggressive enough on or off the pitch. The real trick though is to have that ruthlessness but bring the fans along with you. Mark Ashton was the perfect example of a ruthless bastard but the club couldn't get the fans onboard (thanks mainly to the divisive appointments of Johnson and Holden). Don't get me wrong, for appointing Holden alone I would have driven Ashton wherever he wanted to go.

Now I look at Ipswich and think FFS. 

 

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45 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I’ve been very critical of SL, JL and BT.

But I’ve got to say - there is some sympathy there from me for a few of them.

I do sincerely believe in the case of BT and JL the good intention is absolutely there; looking at that video I think BT (and JL in his) genuinely believed what they said and that’s what they wanted.

But we can all say words. I could get up in front of a camera and spin all that stuff and sound convincing. 

The reality is we’re seeing that saying and doing are two entirely different things - and ultimately we’re seeing the result of the wrong, unqualified, untalented people, who lack the experience and skills in the very key positions that need multiple key attributes.

Somtimes hard work and good intentions simply aren’t enough. The CEO roles are for the best of the best, the highest achievers.

That’s where my frustrations boil over with SL who simply time and again puts the wrong people in the wrong roles - with the obvious negative consequences - often because he has a hunch on them or they are good humans who create a nice atmosphere. 

We lack a lot of the drive and ruthlessness needed to succeed in football and that appears to trickle down from the top.

For me it clearly highlights they had no clue what they already had here and what was being grown.

And if I had a £1 for everytime I hear “front foot, forward thinking football”, “progressive manager” I could afford to buy SL out!!!  We don’t even “high press”.

Based on his time at Oxford and MK Dons he didn’t fit the brief, but you could argue as fans we wait to see if he might’ve done things differently here, rather than what has happened is gradually revert to his one-way of playing.

That interview must’ve been interesting. 

If / when he goes the reasons will be even more interesting.

I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

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10 hours ago, The Journalist said:

 

It is a fair comment but I’ve got better things to do than drive hundreds of miles to do the local media’s job for them. 

Since the start of the campaign (after the arrival of Ms Robins) local media particularly the beeb have gone soft and fluffy on Mr Manning et al and our performances. It’s quite nauseating!

Where is McGregor when you need him? I was never his biggest fan but I never had him as a sycophant! 

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Yeah I can't say I have any sympathy either tbh. Each of them could have (and did have) decent roles at the club and would have been reasonably thought of. Even JL could have perhaps been somewhat likeable as a proxy-chairman "fan" of the club etc with a more professional and proper person leading behind the scenes ie Richard Gould, Phil Alexander or even Mark Ashton.

But now all of the actions they've made they need to be held accountable for, so sympathy is the last thing they should be offered.

The one Tinnion quote that sticks in my head was his "don't they [the fans] think we want success?" from when he was flapping on Radio Bristol a year ago.  That line alone just summed up all of the delusion, denial and lack of awareness that many of us knew at the time. A year later that's only been hammered into the ground while these lot seem to just keep digging more sand.

Next week they have a chance to show maybe they've learned something but somehow I doubt it

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54 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

I’ve been very critical of SL, JL and BT.

But I’ve got to say - there is some sympathy there from me for a few of them.

I do sincerely believe in the case of BT and JL the good intention is absolutely there; looking at that video I think BT (and JL in his) genuinely believed what they said and that’s what they wanted.

But we can all say words. I could get up in front of a camera and spin all that stuff and sound convincing. 

The reality is we’re seeing that saying and doing are two entirely different things - and ultimately we’re seeing the result of the wrong, unqualified, untalented people, who lack the experience and skills in the very key positions that need multiple key attributes.

Somtimes hard work and good intentions simply aren’t enough. The CEO roles are for the best of the best, the highest achievers.

That’s where my frustrations boil over with SL who simply time and again puts the wrong people in the wrong roles - with the obvious negative consequences - often because he has a hunch on them or they are good humans who create a nice atmosphere. 

We lack a lot of the drive and ruthlessness needed to succeed in football and that appears to trickle down from the top.

Totally agree. This is on SL. 

He’d never in a million years have recruited inadequate people into key positions at HL. Thus making it infuriating that what was successful in his business was not replicated here. Was almost on the right track with Gould, Nige and then Alexander (possibly) but then threw it all away-  and here we are in a worse position than 12 months ago seemingly going backwards again despite having spent good money. 

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8 hours ago, YorkshireSection said:

I sincerely believe that should Manning be sacked that smarmy Steve will give the job to Tinman, telling us how much more experience he has now, unfortunately it’s experience of talking rubbish and making shit decisions.

 

This will neve. Realistally they had the chance to put him in temporary charge wen Pearson left whist they looked for someone. The fact they never, makes me sure this will not ever be considered. 

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Mark Ashton was the perfect example of a ruthless bastard but the club couldn't get the fans onboard (thanks mainly to the divisive appointments of Johnson and Holden). Don't get me wrong, for appointing Holden alone I would have driven Ashton wherever he wanted to go.

Now I look at Ipswich and think FFS. 

In fairness neither LJ or Holden were Mark Ashton appointments. 

LJ very obviously a Steve and Jon appointment. 

Holden, I've never quite got to the bottom of, but most people I've spoke to say Steve didn't like any of the external candidates that were interviewed so suggested, then insisted, it should be Holden. 

It's pretty telling that not long after Holden was appointed, Ashton was making manoeuvres to leave the club.

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What I find quite sad is that I just don't really care much anymore. 40 odd years of supporting and, meh!

I don't know if it's the crap football, seeing it all before, an age thing or being fed up of this sort of shite? Maybe a mix of it all.

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1 hour ago, Alessandro said:

I’ve been very critical of SL, JL and BT.

But I’ve got to say - there is some sympathy there from me for a few of them.

I do sincerely believe in the case of BT and JL the good intention is absolutely there; looking at that video I think BT (and JL in his) genuinely believed what they said and that’s what they wanted.

But we can all say words. I could get up in front of a camera and spin all that stuff and sound convincing. 

The reality is we’re seeing that saying and doing are two entirely different things - and ultimately we’re seeing the result of the wrong, unqualified, untalented people, who lack the experience and skills in the very key positions that need multiple key attributes.

Somtimes hard work and good intentions simply aren’t enough. The CEO roles are for the best of the best, the highest achievers.

That’s where my frustrations boil over with SL who simply time and again puts the wrong people in the wrong roles - with the obvious negative consequences - often because he has a hunch on them or they are good humans who create a nice atmosphere. 

We lack a lot of the drive and ruthlessness needed to succeed in football and that appears to trickle down from the top.

I don't understand being sympathetic to them mate.

Whilst they may wish things to be a certain way, it's purely based on hope, rather than knowledge and experience. 

It's an embarrassment tbh.

A very clever man in finance has bought a football club and spent millions on it. 

He's wanted to build a legacy. A legacy for him.

Anyone with that sort of money and desire can build a ground and infrastructure, bricks and mortar, to make a Club Championship standard. 

Someone said on a thread that they asked SL whether he was proud of what he had achieved, whilst looking out onto the pitch from the Lansdown stand. 

He beamed that he was. 

A shiny new stadium and training ground. A stand named after him. Sitting down in his box overlooking the 'plebs' that turn up every week, to be 'entertained'. 

Reminiscent of a Roman Emporer narcissistically and egotistically warming in the glow of what he has created. 

Then being dumb enough to put his son in charge, who is so out of his depth it's unbelievable. 

A son that runs this club knowing he has no pressure on him from above. It's his job for life if he wants it. 

How thick must your skin be, how self unaware of your ability, or deep down knowingly embarrassed, to speak publicly to fans, media, the whole football world listening and watching your words, the continual fails, year after year after year. 

People say he is camera shy and to give him grace. 

I just see a blagger...a blagger who knows he's not qualified to do the job at hand, deep down embarrassed, but too biligerent to move aside.

It's his and Daddy's play thing. It's their club...they'll do as they want, make the mistakes, and it won't make any difference. 

They are the Millwall of ownership...

🎼🎶 Nobody likes us, we don't care, we do what we want 🎶🎼

They surround themselves with yes men... subservient to them...regardless of their qualifications and ability.

As soon as they see ' the light' so to speak, and employ people that are qualified to do the job, they don't like it when they are told some home truths. 

Those people either leave of their own accord as they see the working relationship won't work, or are sacked. 

I put BT in the same bracket. 

He's totally unaware of his ability at this level. Thinks that having worked at the Club for a long time qualifies him for his present position. 

He's as thick as two planks, bluffs his way through, and protects his position, that's very obvious. 

In LM...they have a shadow of themselves. Learning on the job, totally unqualified at this level. 

You've only got to see them all when interviewed and questioned. 

You can spot blaggers a mile off. Totally uncomfortable, knowing they are living a lie. Body language, mannerisms, attitude, words...all show up as to them being out of their depth, and imo, they know it as well.

This Club might be nice...a lovely stadium. But it's nothing special at this level...and so much of it is run poorly. 

Media, shop, ticketing, hospitality, website, communication, food, drink...all imo really poor. 

If it was a business, restaurant or supermarket, you wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. 

With all the backing and support, imo, we are an embarrassment in continual under achievement. 

Sadly...in years to come, the Legacy will be seen as that. 

An owner and son, with money, that built and built...but failed horribly in what they wanted to achieve.

A legacy of words spoken, that all can read, that are embarrassing to read, when putting into practice, actions, to fulfil those dreams. 

Moneyed men, perennial underachievers and dreamers. 

 

 

 

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