Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 No time for rash decisions. Brian Tinnion is City through and through. He has had a torrid season, not least because he has followed a manager who got a top 3 finish 3 seasons running. I'm as frustrated as anyone but I do not accept that he can be judged on 32 games in charge. Also I would add that the damnage for this season has been done, what benefits a management change? Steve Landsowns decision isn't looking clever at the moment but 32 matches is not enough time for a rookie. I would however subscribe to the view that BT needs experience in his backroom staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redrebel Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 No time for rash decisions. Brian Tinnion is City through and through. He has had a torrid season, not least because he has followed a manager who got a top 3 finish 3 seasons running. I'm as frustrated as anyone but I do not accept that he can be judged on 32 games in charge. Also I would add that the damnage for this season has been done, what benefits a management change? Steve Landsowns decision isn't looking clever at the moment but 32 matches is not enough time for a rookie. I would however subscribe to the view that BT needs experience in his backroom staff. ← I know let's wait three years - spend too much money/ keep saying he needs time and then find out Tinnion is an utter waste of space.Or how about making some decisions now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolmanDudess Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I know let's wait three years - spend too much money/ keep saying he needs time and then find out Tinnion is an utter waste of space.Or how about making some decisions now. ← Average mid-table for 3 seasons under a "City through and through" waste of space or how about taking action now. Thank God theres more people agreeing. Bad mistake from the start - and i stuck to my decision. Now i see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I know let's wait three years - spend too much money/ keep saying he needs time and then find out Tinnion is an utter waste of space.Or how about making some decisions now. ← Trouble is you are a product of the 21 century: instant cash, instant food, instant results. Life isn't like that: you have to grunt it out. I remember in my present job hating my first year in my new job back in 1995. Ten years on people tell me I am an assett to the work place. In comic books the hero gets a result every time, but sadly a Bristol City manager can't last more than 20 minutes: that's 1,800 minutes of football before you lot start calling for his head: Give the guy a chance, expect nothing this season because nothing is what we'll get: we won't go down. Judge him and me on my comments at Christmas in 2005. Unfortuanately that won't happen because you lot of whingers and whiners will persuade the board to sack Tinnion before Easter which just shows what a pathetic malaise of 'instant success' has kicked in a t Ashton Gate. Do you seriously believe BT's successor will get it right. Hard work against adversity achieves results and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MAGILLA Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 No time for rash decisions. Brian Tinnion is City through and through. He has had a torrid season, not least because he has followed a manager who got a top 3 finish 3 seasons running. I'm as frustrated as anyone but I do not accept that he can be judged on 32 games in charge. Also I would add that the damnage for this season has been done, what benefits a management change? Steve Landsowns decision isn't looking clever at the moment but 32 matches is not enough time for a rookie. I would however subscribe to the view that BT needs experience in his backroom staff. ← 'No time for rash decisions' should have been the motto immediately after the Play-Off final debacle. But a rash decision by SL has led us into the current predicament we find ourselves in. I'm sorry, but saying 'Brian Tinnion is City through and through' just doesn't mean a thing - it's not a good enough qualification to be manager I'm afraid - neither is his supposed 'legendary' status - both completely and utterly meaningless when they were trotted out by the Happy Clappers during the Tinnion 'love-in' during the summer and even more so now. Tinnion has had not far short of 50 games to sort his team out (friendlies, cup matches) so he's had plenty of opportunity to find his best XI - he still hasn't and we're well into February with automatic promotion a faraway dream and the play-offs dancing over the horizon. SL made a mistake giving Tinnion the job and it is now up to him to sort this mess out. Unfortunately, we've already let management candidates like Taylor, Moyes (and even Sturrock just a few months ago) slip through our fingers thanks to this ****less board - what makes you think their track record of poor decisions is going to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Agree with your point about City through and through. You are right that it counts for nothing. But let me ask you this. In what other occupation would you call for the incumbent's head after 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we8gas Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Your having a laugh mate, We have got better players than last season and we have made an England U 21 internation. Hes had time and the performances are getting worse. Hes got to go, he is city through and through but he needs to step down NOW, he need to be a No2 for a few years to get experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The_Boy Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Who cares if he is through and through! If he was he would have realised he is not up for the job and resigned by now! What is the point in keeping him on other than to not hurt his feelings. I'm sure he is a top bloke and he is a good footballer but he is not a good enough manager to take us forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 No time for rash decisions. Brian Tinnion is City through and through. He has had a torrid season, not least because he has followed a manager who got a top 3 finish 3 seasons running. I'm as frustrated as anyone but I do not accept that he can be judged on 32 games in charge. Also I would add that the damnage for this season has been done, what benefits a management change? Steve Landsowns decision isn't looking clever at the moment but 32 matches is not enough time for a rookie. I would however subscribe to the view that BT needs experience in his backroom staff. ← 32 games is long enough to see we have a poor home record, long enough to see that he's getting rid of experienced good players, long enough to know we're not going up - So long enough to know he should go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_C Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 If their work wasn't up to the standard required they would be out after 3 months surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 32 games is long enough to see we have a poor home record, long enough to see that he's getting rid of experienced good players, long enough to know we're not going up - So long enough to know he should go ← Lets understand each other: I am as pig sick as anyone else. I even risked the ignominy of listening to commentary on Radio WM which made a poor game sound even worse. However I still maintain in any other occupation you would not have the unrealistic expectations that most of you seem to have. The guys a novice: novices don't succeed overnight AND I clearly remember the vast majority of you lot calling for DW's head at the end of last season. Bet you'd have him back now! SL is a successful business man, top 100 earners in country. He WIL get it right with Tins if you lot lay off the pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Donnie Darko Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Lets understand each other: I am as pig sick as anyone else. I even risked the ignominy of listening to commentary on Radio WM which made a poor game sound even worse. However I still maintain in any other occupation you would not have the unrealistic expectations that most of you seem to have. The guys a novice: novices don't succeed overnight AND I clearly remember the vast majority of you lot calling for DW's head at the end of last season. Bet you'd have him back now! SL is a successful business man, top 100 earners in country. He WIL get it right with Tins if you lot lay off the pressure. ← as you obviously did not watch tonights game, then i think u should wait before commenting - tonights performance was one of the worst in the history of this club, and unfortunately it became far too evident that tinman was a problem on and off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royz Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Unfortuanately that won't happen because you lot of whingers and whiners will persuade the board to sack Tinnion before Easter Its the lack of bums on seats that will get Tinnion the sack, who in their right mind wants to pay to watch this sort of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Lets understand each other: I am as pig sick as anyone else. I even risked the ignominy of listening to commentary on Radio WM which made a poor game sound even worse. However I still maintain in any other occupation you would not have the unrealistic expectations that most of you seem to have. The guys a novice: novices don't succeed overnight AND I clearly remember the vast majority of you lot calling for DW's head at the end of last season. Bet you'd have him back now! SL is a successful business man, top 100 earners in country. He WIL get it right with Tins if you lot lay off the pressure. ← I don't blame this all on Tinnion - I don't see how you can sack a manager who get's you a point off 2nd - which would surely mean automatic promotion - and replace him with that. But also, I feel we have the strongest, and deepest squad in the league by quite a way and so we should at least be challenging for 3rd, even with Tinnion - not 5 points (and a possible 8) off the play-offs. I'm sure he will get it right, but for years it's been "next year" - It just doesnt work any more. Oh, and where is Danny now? Beating Bradford 4-1 :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest redrebel Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Trouble is you are a product of the 21 century: instant cash, instant food, instant results. Life isn't like that: you have to grunt it out. I remember in my present job hating my first year in my new job back in 1995. Ten years on people tell me I am an assett to the work place. In comic books the hero gets a result every time, but sadly a Bristol City manager can't last more than 20 minutes: that's 1,800 minutes of football before you lot start calling for his head: Give the guy a chance, expect nothing this season because nothing is what we'll get: we won't go down. Judge him and me on my comments at Christmas in 2005. Unfortuanately that won't happen because you lot of whingers and whiners will persuade the board to sack Tinnion before Easter which just shows what a pathetic malaise of 'instant success' has kicked in a t Ashton Gate. Do you seriously believe BT's successor will get it right. Hard work against adversity achieves results and nothing else. ← I am 51 years old so you have the wrong century.If you wish to discuss Management.Then why does BT need a one to one with his players 6 months after taking charge to find out who are the committed players.Any Manager worth his salt will be assessing his team from day one.There should be no surprises the players should be constantly assessed and told what is needed.Not sat down and then put on the list the next day.It is the actions of a man out of his depth.Hard work against adversity does achieve results if allied to ability but simply to work hard is and never will be enough with out talent and up to now BT has been devoid of it.I seriously expect his successor if he has ability to get it right in time but to go backwards for 6 months is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecko Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 After this performance surely its time for Tins to go for the sake of the fans, club and players. Tonight's performance was absolutely ********, took us one hour just to get a shot on target.This really sums up our season. Last season Ashton Gate was a fortress where we only lost 2 games, already this season we have lost 5 games. Doherty MUST not be sold, he is the only player who can pass the ball in our team. Walsall just defended for the whole game and look where it got them. Last season we defended mainly and look where we finished. This is time for Tinman to go and get rid of some players Thanks, CTID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MAGILLA Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Agree with your point about City through and through. You are right that it counts for nothing. But let me ask you this. In what other occupation would you call for the incumbent's head after 6 months? ← Tinnion's been City manager for more like 9 months (coming up to 50 games in charge too). He's had all that time to consider his best formation, consider transfers, strengthen the team (he's been given plenty of cash to do so as well), sort the wheat from the chaff and to 'hit the ground running', to coin a phrase. After all, he knew the club inside out and knew what was needed so the board told us. 6/9 months is long enough to judge a manager as far as I'm concerned. In that time we should have seen some progress or at least some sense of direction. If anything we have seen at Ashton Gate, every formation ever devised, players leaving and then coming back, the public slagging off of players (Woodman, Doherty, Coles etc) and a club slipping further and further backwards. During his tenure, we have not progressed - we have not even stabilised - we have gone backwards - the time factor is irrelevant. SL - it's up to you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I am 51 years old so you have the wrong century.If you wish to discuss Management.Then why does BT need a one to one with his players 6 months after taking charge to find out who are the committed players.Any Manager worth his salt will be assessing his team from day one.There should be no surprises the players should be constantly assessed and told what is needed.Not sat down and then put on the list the next day.It is the actions of a man out of his depth.Hard work against adversity does achieve results if allied to ability but simply to work hard is and never will be enough with out talent and up to now BT has been devoid of it.I seriously expect his successor if he has ability to get it right in time but to go backwards for 6 months is not the answer. ← We were going backwards last May as I seem to recall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
England Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Lets understand each other: I am as pig sick as anyone else. I even risked the ignominy of listening to commentary on Radio WM which made a poor game sound even worse. However I still maintain in any other occupation you would not have the unrealistic expectations that most of you seem to have. The guys a novice: novices don't succeed overnight AND I clearly remember the vast majority of you lot calling for DW's head at the end of last season. Bet you'd have him back now! SL is a successful business man, top 100 earners in country. He WIL get it right with Tins if you lot lay off the pressure. ← 1. I went and suffered the game 2. Anyone with a brain would not appoint a novice to an important post 3. Check every post of mine last year and not once did I want DW out 4. SL is a successful business man but that does not make him good at this football lark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Lets understand each other: I am as pig sick as anyone else. I even risked the ignominy of listening to commentary on Radio WM which made a poor game sound even worse. However I still maintain in any other occupation you would not have the unrealistic expectations that most of you seem to have. The guys a novice: novices don't succeed overnight AND I clearly remember the vast majority of you lot calling for DW's head at the end of last season. Bet you'd have him back now! SL is a successful business man, top 100 earners in country. He WIL get it right with Tins if you lot lay off the pressure. ← Here here i see many people saying we had a good team last year blah blah.. No we had a 3rd best team which got us nowhere, If i had a car i raced it every year i came 3rd then id think about adding something to it or changing it completely not just rely on the old faithfull,give Tinnion a chance and you never know next year could be ours!! lay off him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Lets understand each other: I am as pig sick as anyone else. I even risked the ignominy of listening to commentary on Radio WM which made a poor game sound even worse. However I still maintain in any other occupation you would not have the unrealistic expectations that most of you seem to have. The guys a novice: novices don't succeed overnight AND I clearly remember the vast majority of you lot calling for DW's head at the end of last season. Bet you'd have him back now! SL is a successful business man, top 100 earners in country. He WIL get it right with Tins if you lot lay off the pressure. ← Here here i see many people saying we had a good team last year blah blah.. No we had a 3rd best team which got us nowhere, If i had a car i raced it every year i came 3rd then id think about adding something to it or changing it completely not just rely on the old faithfull,give Tinnion a chance and you never know next year could be ours!! lay off him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednready Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Tins is 100% City, played reasonably well for 10 years. Older players do NOT, SAY AGAIN DO NOT, necessarily make good managers. It is an entirely different job. In the 1980's, Australias rugby manager was a motivational speaker, Prime ministers speech writer, never a rep player, guess what Aussies won the world cup.Brians motive, 100% City, his ability to motivate the players just not there and getting worse. Finally, berating the players in the media.......has never worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Tins is 100% City, played reasonably well for 10 years. Older players do NOT, SAY AGAIN DO NOT, necessarily make good managers. It is an entirely different job. In the 1980's, Australias rugby manager was a motivational speaker, Prime ministers speech writer, never a rep player, guess what Aussies won the world cup.Brians motive, 100% City, his ability to motivate the players just not there and getting worse. Finally, berating the players in the media.......has never worked. ← Fully agree that many good ex players make lousy managers. My point is that he deserves a FAIR crack of the whip and most people on here are not prepared to give him the chance because of this unrealistic expectation called INSTANT RESULTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CityCrazy92 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 how long does he need?!? 3 seasons wen we're in the confrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we8gas Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Here here i see many people saying we had a good team last year blah blah.. No we had a 3rd best team which got us nowhere, If i had a car i raced it every year i came 3rd then id think about adding something to it or changing it completely not just rely on the old faithfull,give Tinnion a chance and you never know next year could be ours!! lay off him ← We missed out on promotion on goal difference last season, we have now got in more experienced played, and now have a young England u21 striker which wilson didnt have. Thats the changes and have they made a difference? where would we be without Lita? and IMO hes still a super sub. Tins has got it all wrong. Hes still trying to change this team when we should have a winning team this far in the season. Get him as No2, keep him happy and most fans happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Here here i see many people saying we had a good team last year blah blah.. No we had a 3rd best team which got us nowhere, If i had a car i raced it every year i came 3rd then id think about adding something to it or changing it completely not just rely on the old faithfull,give Tinnion a chance and you never know next year could be ours!! lay off him ← Great idea, change an experienced car for one untested, made by someone with no experience at his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we8gas Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Fully agree that many good ex players make lousy managers. My point is that he deserves a FAIR crack of the whip and most people on here are not prepared to give him the chance because of this unrealistic expectation called INSTANT RESULTS ← Hmm, I bet there's a smilie on here that conveys laughter but I'm too lazy to look for it., OMG, tonight, Chesterfield, hartlepool shall i continue? come off it, i havent seen it so bad in all my life down the gate. Hes had time, he hasnt got it right. He should be starting a winning starting 11 but hes still playing? If we want promotion that bad he wouldnt be doing it. The players are taking the micheal out of him. Get someone in with a bit of toughness and attitude. Gordan Strachon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Great idea, change an experienced car for one untested, made by someone with no experience at his job ← And I suppose you were 1 of the people who opposed DW's sacking in the summer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 We missed out on promotion on goal difference last season, we have now got in more experienced played, and now have a young England u21 striker which wilson didnt have. Thats the changes and have they made a difference? where would we be without Lita? and IMO hes still a super sub. Tins has got it all wrong. Hes still trying to change this team when we should have a winning team this far in the season. Get him as No2, keep him happy and most fans happy. ← what the hell do you know anyways .....): you manage Real Bristol I have literally soiled my pants due to your unrivalled wittiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Great idea, change an experienced car for one untested, made by someone with no experience at his job ← why not .....if the engines bigger and btw cars don't have experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
we8gas Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 what the hell do you know anyways .....): you manage Real Bristol I have literally soiled my pants due to your unrivalled wittiness. ← Get me in there, iv had 6 months experience, and can talk a brilliant game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSR Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Get me in there, iv had 6 months experience, and can talk a brilliant game ← Hooo Hummmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Anyone who was there tonight recognizes that Tinnion cannot manage his players and worse still is tactically inept. Unless I'm much mistaken at various stages during the 2nd half we had Tinnion playing left back, Fortune on the left wing and last seasons most prolific poacher Heffs playing midfield. Dutch total football of the seventies it wasn't. Also very curious what he saw when he looked Dinning straight in the eyes. Presumably someone desperately trying to focus. Get Tinnion out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Bottom line is there is no one else out ther. Management should be like a marriage vow: in sickness and in health. I admit its dire now: but come the summer........................................................................... we'll all be in Cardiff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 No time for rash decisions. Brian Tinnion is City through and through. He has had a torrid season, not least because he has followed a manager who got a top 3 finish 3 seasons running. I'm as frustrated as anyone but I do not accept that he can be judged on 32 games in charge. Also I would add that the damnage for this season has been done, what benefits a management change? Steve Landsowns decision isn't looking clever at the moment but 32 matches is not enough time for a rookie. I would however subscribe to the view that BT needs experience in his backroom staff. ← Tinnion is City through and through...... Yep Okay, But so are many members of this forum and I really believe that we could have handed over the job to one or other of the forum members and we would not have been in any a worse position than we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TA8 RED Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Give Tinman more time,B4LL4CKS.Your having a laugh :@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 And I suppose you were 1 of the people who opposed DW's sacking in the summer? ← Yep How can you get rid of a manager who finishes you 1 point off 2nd and goes on an 11-match winning streak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonreds Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 No time for rash decisions. Brian Tinnion is City through and through. He has had a torrid season, not least because he has followed a manager who got a top 3 finish 3 seasons running. I'm as frustrated as anyone but I do not accept that he can be judged on 32 games in charge. Also I would add that the damnage for this season has been done, what benefits a management change? Steve Landsowns decision isn't looking clever at the moment but 32 matches is not enough time for a rookie. I would however subscribe to the view that BT needs experience in his backroom staff. ← he,s had a torrid season with problems he,s caused himself with his treatment of roberts,heff orr miller, tommy coles, need i go on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Yep How can you get rid of a manager who finishes you 1 point off 2nd and goes on an 11-match winning streak ← That's my exact point. I never wanted DW to go : I felt he got very shoddy treatment. Most other posters on here were seemingly galad to see him go and welcomed Tins with open arms. Just 6 months on they've changed their tune: strikes me as pretty shallow and pretty shabby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I am getting worried now. Silence on the main board, no report. Is the axe falling? Have the Tins Out brigade got what they wanted? Hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Donnie Darko Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 as i said before, u really shouldn't comment on the situation if you weren't there to see it tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Agree with your point about City through and through. You are right that it counts for nothing. But let me ask you this. In what other occupation would you call for the incumbent's head after 6 months? ← Frequently people who are appointed to new positions where they have no previous experience are given probationary terms of around 4 months - normally a long enough period to work out whether someone is suitable for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 No time for rash decisions. Brian Tinnion is City through and through. He has had a torrid season, not least because he has followed a manager who got a top 3 finish 3 seasons running. I'm as frustrated as anyone but I do not accept that he can be judged on 32 games in charge. Also I would add that the damnage for this season has been done, what benefits a management change? Steve Landsowns decision isn't looking clever at the moment but 32 matches is not enough time for a rookie. I would however subscribe to the view that BT needs experience in his backroom staff. ← Martin, you are talking bollox mate. The performance tonight was an absolute disgrace. You can not give a proper assessment listening to the game on the frigging radio. I left the ground feeling both sick and shell shocked. Make no mistake Tinnion has lost total control of what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Frequently people who are appointed to new positions where they have no previous experience are given probationary terms of around 4 months - normally a long enough period to work out whether someone is suitable for the job. ← And just because i wasn't there I can't have an opinion. Nonsense. You being there makes you no better fan than me. Democracy is about other p[eople expressing views. I listenend with growing frustration to the match on Radio WM. I defy anyone to say that listening to that medium is a non view giving stand point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 And just because i wasn't there I can't have an opinion. Nonsense. You being there makes you no better fan than me. Democracy is about other p[eople expressing views. I listenend with growing frustration to the match on Radio WM. I defy anyone to say that listening to that medium is a non view giving stand point. ← You are obviously a fair weather fan who can't be bothered to go on a wet Friday evening......Please do not bleat about not being able to afford it or whatever - if you really really wanted to be there then you would have been. Like me. You can not possibly have as good an understanding of what happened out there tonight. We were shambolic from start to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 You are obviously a fair weather fan who can't be bothered to go on a wet Friday evening......Please do not bleat about not being able to afford it or whatever - if you really really wanted to be there then you would have been. Like me. You can not possibly have as good an understanding of what happened out there tonight. We were shambolic from start to finish. ← Congratulations: worst post of the night. I don't dispute that we were terrible, but that feeling of dispondency is magnified when you have to listen to rubbish commentary on a rubbish radio station 200 miles away. Have your gloat,... you were there and I wasn't but that actually isn't the point. People like you are calling for Tinnion to be sacked after 5 months and 11 days. That is unfair plain and simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Tinns great man , City through and through, but sorry that was clueless, nieve and inept and has been going that way since well before Christmas. I was very positive and right behind the man 4 months ago, but now I fear the worst on and off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednready Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Steve L, got a right earful from the fans as they left. A successful busines man like that has a lot of pride in himself and his club. Tonights personal abuse will have some effect on the coming media releases....waiting....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 And just because i wasn't there I can't have an opinion. Nonsense. You being there makes you no better fan than me. Democracy is about other p[eople expressing views. I listenend with growing frustration to the match on Radio WM. I defy anyone to say that listening to that medium is a non view giving stand point. ← You've quoted me in your reply when i think you meant to quote Cardy. I have to say that I admire your support of BT but agree with others who state that you had to be there to see for yourself the complete cluelessness of this performance. As it directly followed BT's dramatic attempts to change things after the Chesterfield humiliation you have to wonder what BT can do to turn things around. He may go on to be a good manager but his current post has to be vulnerable tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest martin Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 You've quoted me in your reply when i think you meant to quote Cardy. I have to say that I admire your support of BT but agree with others who state that you had to be there to see for yourself the complete cluelessness of this performance. As it directly followed BT's dramatic attempts to change things after the Chesterfield humiliation you have to wonder what BT can do to turn things around. He may go on to be a good manager but his current post has to be vulnerable tonight. ← Apologies: only learnt the quote feature tonight. Have enjoyed the debate tonight more than the radio commentary earlier. Should be an interesting 7 days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Apologies: only learnt the quote feature tonight. Have enjoyed the debate tonight more than the radio commentary earlier. Should be an interesting 7 days! ← It can be a lonely place this forum, and fair play to you for standing up to be counted. I'd dearly love Brian to make this work but I'm sure I can hear the fat lady warming up her larynx. Brian has my support - I think he has been passed a poisoned chalice by the chairman. We've expected Brian to improve on DW's work when the chairman has ripped out the heart of the backroom staff (5 less staff than in the summer) and offered derisory contracts to key players that has seen them walk away. Would we be so despairing tonight if the club's manager had been calling on experienced support in the backroom and with Aaron, Matt, Tommy, Danny, Tony Rougier etc available for 1st team selection? I believe that this season has been about the board first and foremost engineering a position where their high-interest, asset-backed loans can be repaid. While Brian has to take responsibility for his part in this debacle, it's not Brian I'm angry with. Appointing a rookie manager was a low-cost gamble. Rookies are cheap and can be replaced. How often do rookie managers get results straight away? Examples of two good managers known locally are Gerry Francis and Ian Holloway, both of whom got sacked at the clubs where they first learnt their trade but came back stronger. In our position of having finished 3rd two years running, should we have suffered this cheaper priced option when there's a high probability it will result in another club benefitting in the future from the education we've provided Brian Tinnion this season? Do we wait the 3 or 4 years it might take for Brian's education to be completed at Bristol City? Or do we accept that mistakes are inevitable in a learning curve but that some mistakes cannot be easily, immediately rectified without a clean break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SteveinNC Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 I didn't see the game obviously, here in the States, and I was working, so didn't get to listen to the commentary. But reading the posts on here it seems the game was pretty awful. I was one of those who didn't want to see DW leave. I thought he had done a good job. But when he was sacked, and Tinns name mentioned as a successor, I thought this was a bold move by the board. Why not try Tinns? It was a courageous gamble, but unfortunately looks to have failed right now. Promotion is out this season, so let's see what Tinns can do with the team for the rest of the season. Some all round consistency from management and players would be nice. I say give him to the end of the season and see where we are. If there has been no improvement, let someone else have a go with Tinns as assistant. We need a **** buster in charge so there is no doubt who is in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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