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An EP reporter will be arriving at my house shortly so along with my story I would be interested in supplying them with other accounts for their article in tomorow's EP. If anyone experienced OTT policing ect. please post what you saw, your full name and age and it could well be printed tomorow.

Cheers, Chalky.

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An EP reporter will be arriving at my house shortly so along with my story I would be interested in supplying them with other accounts for their article in tomorow's EP. If anyone experienced OTT policing ect. please post what you saw, your full name and age and it could well be printed tomorow.

Cheers, Chalky.

yawn yawn yawn . wont change the result !!!!!

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An EP reporter will be arriving at my house shortly so along with my story I would be interested in supplying them with other accounts for their article in tomorow's EP. If anyone experienced OTT policing ect. please post what you saw, your full name and age and it could well be printed tomorow.

Cheers, Chalky.

Thanks for taking the time and trouble, mate , much appreciated , need sorting, cheers. :clapping::clapping:

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what the hell,s it got to do with the result, ? :dunno::dunno::doh: , its to do with OTT police tactics, at least someone is trying to take a stand, if nothings said it will happen again, support the guy , :disapointed2se:

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If it will help anyone, I have acquired the full names of the 3 policeman accused of doing wrong - officers 1475, 1470 and 1705.

I knew it was 1705! He was the CS sprayer! I have thought that all along but everyone has told me otherwise until now...

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yawn yawn yawn . wont change the result !!!!!

You are a prise pr**ck my friend. It has nothing to do with the result and all to do with innocent fans being treated like terrorists by the police.

Now go to bed before mummy comes home.

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You are a prise pr**ck my friend. It has nothing to do with the result and all to do with innocent fans being treated like terrorists by the police.

Now go to bed before mummy comes home.

Indeed, a plonker of the highest order.

Well done chalky. I hope you get the apology you deserve.

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Well done chalky, get in there and spill the beans to the Free Press on the Police's behaviour. Remember - the typewriter and the camera are mightier than the combined weight of Police baton and their hoards of chemical weapons spray.

Captured on film for posterity - a Royalist Gestapo Policeman in action against a Trades Unionist circa 1984..........

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The list is endless OC

remember the battle of the beanfield - when the coppers rampaged through the buses attacking the women and kids, smashing the windows and generally wrecking the homes. That wasn't anything to do with policing, just acting as violent bailiffs for the government.

The miners strike still leaves a very sour taste in the mouth, the way South Yorkshire police were happy to beat the living daylights out of their own people at the behest of that tyrant Thatcher.

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Indeed well done Chalky. :fingerscrossed:

Just a little factual anecdote 1984 style on Police behaviour - the Police have and always have had a terrible reputation for brutality and dishonesty in this country. A classic empirical example......

Jailed for being beat up by the police.....

"I was driving past and saw a police officer hitting a lad with a fire extinguisher. I ran over to see if I could get the officer to stop. The next thing I knew I got a whack on the back of the head. And as I went down, I was hit again. All I remember is this truncheon lifting me up by my chin and this guy hitting me in the mouth with it. I was arrested and charged, but on the way home I suffered a convulsion and was taken to hospital. My heart stopped beating and I was taken to intensive care where they got my heart going again. I'd suffered brain damage, yet I was convicted of maliciously wounding a policeman" Adrian Simpson, striking miner - jailed for hitting a policeman's truncheon with his head and giving himself brain damage !!!!!!

That was the vicious police tyranny 1984 style......hundreds of striking miners were hospitalised, injured and jailed but the police waved their overtime money at them on the picket lines, that's a cruel way to treat your fellow countrymen. It just shows how easily the police can be used as a weapon by vicious tyrants such as Margaret Thatcher. The vicious tyranny 2007 style is the Tory Blair regime's instructions to police to subjugate with chemical weapons, coerce with baton, and generally intimidate football supporters.

The true function of the police is, therefore, not to give traffic directions or help old ladies across the road but to enforce the will of the government. The will of the politically correct Tory Blair regime seems that we should be subjugated, coerced and controlled at football matches by baton wielding and chemical weapons spraying plod. :badmood:

Broke the unions & made the country

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yawn yawn yawn . wont change the result !!!!!

spot on...its just stupid school boys shit..and frqankly coppers need to be harder on everyone ,this way our stret wont be so shit! get over it people

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With my new found wealth I may take the opportunity of employing a couple of Red Army snipers to take out your chemical weapon spraying and baton wielding Gestapo Police :clapping: ........

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Can they start with speed gun wielding ones first please.

I'll even lend you some of the money I have made exploiting the working class to pay for it (at an exorbitant rate of interest, obviously)

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spot on...its just stupid school boys shit..and frqankly coppers need to be harder on everyone ,this way our stret wont be so shit! get over it people

Cant understand why you are agreeing to that?

The result of the game may be over, and ofcourse it wont change but why SHOULD DECENT FOOTBALL FANS BE SPRAYED WITH GAS?

Personally, hope the coppers are found guilty and done bigtime.

Ask you something else?

What if it was the other way round?

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Just make sure you record the interview somehow, call me cynical but, journalist out for a story occasionally bend the facts to make the story read how they want it, not necessarily how it happened.

I have read the atricle on thisisbristol and every quote they have used is exactly what I said so I have no problems.

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Broke the unions & made the country

WHAT???

Thatcher broke the Unions and in doing so smashed the country.

Do you think her legacy of anti social disrespect is entirely Blairs doing?

'There is no such thing as society' - M Thatcher (may she rot in hell - or swindon, whichever)

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Well done to everyone who is not letting this go. I am still furious about what happened. I have not contacted media, but did complain direct to the police. The experience was not nice, and will send people away from football. I think the police should make a public apology.

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Well done to everyone who is not letting this go. I am still furious about what happened. I have not contacted media, but did complain direct to the police. The experience was not nice, and will send people away from football. I think the police should make a public apology.

That is the very least we deserve! Who did you complain to? I complained to A & S through their website this morning. When I was speaking to the EP they suggested that the Police Complaints commission.

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That is the very least we deserve! Who did you complain to? I complained to A & S through their website this morning. When I was speaking to the EP they suggested that the Police Complaints commission.

I did the same as you, A&S. I think the next few days will be very interesting, now the media are taking the story. A&S will have to act in some way or another.

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I did the same as you, A&S. I think the next few days will be very interesting, now the media are taking the story. A&S will have to act in some way or another.

I've posted a separate thread http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=76161 about a different course of action suggested by the Police & Stewarding Officer at the Football Supporters Federation if anyone wishes to read it.

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just a quick one chaps about the avon n somerset mafia,seen a few chaps down the gate yesterday, most were showing wounds from the other night cosh wounds cs gas wounds , its out of order ,,,, rant over we are the people b,c,f,c.

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Get in there Dollymarie, is that your elder sister featured below during the 1990 Poll Tax protests?......

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Point of order RG.

Not sure that a pic of a copper being attacked by a baton yielding lunatic supports your views............

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I think the Police should take some of the flak for Margaret Thatcher's anti social disrespect culture as well. Keeping their imposter Queen's peace - Royalist Gestapo Police seen here arresting a certain Trades Unionist leader circa 1984. Why didn't they arrest Tory leader Margaret Thatcher as well for her part in the trouble?........

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Sorry Sir, it could be a question of sequence - i.e.

This....

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And this....

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And this......

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Led to this reaction....

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Don't you think your political twaddle on this thread dilutes what other people are trying to achieve. Your constant harping, whilst amusing, undermines and trivialises what some people regard as a serious issue.

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I'm certainly not trying to trivialise and dilute what happened on Tuesday evening - why the hell should I ????!!!!! Each time there's a reply to this thread then the subject of the Police spraying our supporters with chemical weapons and batoning them gets back to the top of this message board. There are those that are suggesting that the Police are blameless for Tuesday night's violence - I'm merely smashing this Police argument by explaining a history of violence by the Police in photographs. It's about time the Police were made to account for their totally unecessary brutality.

I fail to see any connection between Tuesday night and the poll tax protests. Your constant references to gestapo etc trivialises the whole issue and undermines what some people feel very strongly about.

By your argument the police would claim a history of BCFC supporters being violent - the club had one of the more violent "firms", invaded the pitch at Ashton Gate and attacked or attempted to attack Rovers players at the end of a game and were involved in major violence at Nottingham just this season.

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Bumped back to the top of the board !!!! Hang on Drew Peacock - isn't your above reply humorous and politically motivated? Exactly what you're accusing me of being !!!!! :farmer:

It's mainly motivated by a dislike of speed guns, but otherwise yes.

But you started it :tongue:

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I would like to make an opinion on the post re police Tactics.

I think that the branding of police officers as 'thugs' is over the top,

many police officers do above and beyond what is expected from them.

I'm not for one minute condoning the actions of spraying CS into a

crowd, but had a full scale pitch invasion (with supporters from both

teams) occurred and someone had been killed (we see this abroad from

time to time) the same supporters that are calling the police thugs

would have been the first to throw criticism for the police doing

nothing.

I like many other people accept and know that the police have a very

difficult and thankless job (especially seeing many posts on this forum)

to do.

Had the 12 year old that got a mouth full of CS been hit by something

throw or crushed by idiots running from the back of the stand to get

onto the pitch then again the police would have been blamed for not

doing anything.

As it happens no one was killed, some were hurt and rightly are voicing

those complaints to the relevant persons. There are however persons who

are making complaints just because it's against the police.

I know police officers who are city through and through, they are good

people who do a difficult job.

Had fans not tried to get onto the pitch to get at the rovers fans this

sad situation would never had arisen. Why are we not getting at the root

of these problems and critising those that put the police officers into

that situation, I would guess that it is because its a lot easier to

criticise the establishment than look at the persons around us.

Again I'm not being obtructive to a person who rightly wants to make a

complaint, just wondering why people seem to want to jump on a band

wagon and seem to be afraid of making statements about the persons who

caused these problems from within our own club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4617776.stm

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I would like to make an opinion on the post re police Tactics.

I think that the branding of police officers as 'thugs' is over the top,

many police officers do above and beyond what is expected from them.

I'm not for one minute condoning the actions of spraying CS into a

crowd, but had a full scale pitch invasion (with supporters from both

teams) occurred and someone had been killed (we see this abroad from

time to time) the same supporters that are calling the police thugs

would have been the first to throw criticism for the police doing

nothing.

I like many other people accept and know that the police have a very

difficult and thankless job (especially seeing many posts on this forum)

to do.

Had the 12 year old that got a mouth full of CS been hit by something

throw or crushed by idiots running from the back of the stand to get

onto the pitch then again the police would have been blamed for not

doing anything.

As it happens no one was killed, some were hurt and rightly are voicing

those complaints to the relevant persons. There are however persons who

are making complaints just because it's against the police.

I know police officers who are city through and through, they are good

people who do a difficult job.

Had fans not tried to get onto the pitch to get at the rovers fans this

sad situation would never had arisen. Why are we not getting at the root

of these problems and critising those that put the police officers into

that situation, I would guess that it is because its a lot easier to

criticise the establishment than look at the persons around us.

Again I'm not being obtructive to a person who rightly wants to make a

complaint, just wondering why people seem to want to jump on a band

wagon and seem to be afraid of making statements about the persons who

caused these problems from within our own club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4617776.stm

In my opinion the police do have a very hard job. I have friends (and even distant family) who are police. However, they used terrible tactics last Tuesday and some of the police were taunting fans - I saw it with my own eyes. The CS gas thing was terrible and no justification can be given to that.

I think we should judge each situation on its own merit, and therefore I think you argument (and others stating the opposite to be fair) are not directly relevant to this issue.

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I would like to make an opinion on the post re police Tactics.

I think that the branding of police officers as 'thugs' is over the top,

many police officers do above and beyond what is expected from them.

I'm not for one minute condoning the actions of spraying CS into a

crowd, but had a full scale pitch invasion (with supporters from both

teams) occurred and someone had been killed (we see this abroad from

time to time) the same supporters that are calling the police thugs

would have been the first to throw criticism for the police doing

nothing.

I like many other people accept and know that the police have a very

difficult and thankless job (especially seeing many posts on this forum)

to do.

Had the 12 year old that got a mouth full of CS been hit by something

throw or crushed by idiots running from the back of the stand to get

onto the pitch then again the police would have been blamed for not

doing anything.

As it happens no one was killed, some were hurt and rightly are voicing

those complaints to the relevant persons. There are however persons who

are making complaints just because it's against the police.

I know police officers who are city through and through, they are good

people who do a difficult job.

Had fans not tried to get onto the pitch to get at the rovers fans this

sad situation would never had arisen. Why are we not getting at the root

of these problems and critising those that put the police officers into

that situation, I would guess that it is because its a lot easier to

criticise the establishment than look at the persons around us.

Again I'm not being obtructive to a person who rightly wants to make a

complaint, just wondering why people seem to want to jump on a band

wagon and seem to be afraid of making statements about the persons who

caused these problems from within our own club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4617776.stm

Are you a policeman by any chance?

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I would like to make an opinion on the post re police Tactics.

I think that the branding of police officers as 'thugs' is over the top,

many police officers do above and beyond what is expected from them.

I'm not for one minute condoning the actions of spraying CS into a

crowd, but had a full scale pitch invasion (with supporters from both

teams) occurred and someone had been killed (we see this abroad from

time to time) the same supporters that are calling the police thugs

would have been the first to throw criticism for the police doing

nothing.

I like many other people accept and know that the police have a very

difficult and thankless job (especially seeing many posts on this forum)

to do.

Had the 12 year old that got a mouth full of CS been hit by something

throw or crushed by idiots running from the back of the stand to get

onto the pitch then again the police would have been blamed for not

doing anything.

As it happens no one was killed, some were hurt and rightly are voicing

those complaints to the relevant persons. There are however persons who

are making complaints just because it's against the police.

I know police officers who are city through and through, they are good

people who do a difficult job.

Had fans not tried to get onto the pitch to get at the rovers fans this

sad situation would never had arisen. Why are we not getting at the root

of these problems and critising those that put the police officers into

that situation, I would guess that it is because its a lot easier to

criticise the establishment than look at the persons around us.

Again I'm not being obtructive to a person who rightly wants to make a

complaint, just wondering why people seem to want to jump on a band

wagon and seem to be afraid of making statements about the persons who

caused these problems from within our own club.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4617776.stm

I agree with the general thrust of this. Yes, one or two of the police behaved over the top, however in my view the reporting of the incident on this forum has exaggerated what happened. Many on here have complained about certain biased Evening Post reporting, I think some of the accounts on here are guilty of the same thing.

You have to put yourselves in their position, which is that they were heavily outnumbered by thousands of Rovers fans running on the pitch behind them, and hundreds of City fans who would be only too happy to run on as well. Under that sort of pressure, it is not hard to see how one or two might over react. In such situations, they don't have the time to enter into reasoned debate, so unfortunately they have to meet agression with agression. It's inevitable that innocent people might unfairly be treated in a way they do not deserve. But the alternative is the police just lets everyone get on with it, in which case a far higher number of innocent people could be in danger.

A mate of mine is a policeman and a City fan, I ocassionally see him at away games because he lives in Buckinghamshire. I'm not sure he would appreciate being branded a thug. Another good mate is a policeman and a gashead, and a thug he certainly he isn't, a gentleman more like.

I have had issues with the police ocassionally, but I think all this hysteria against the police has gone way over the top, and there are lots of people overlooking the fact the police are just ordinary people doing a difficult job, and - apart from the traffic police prats roaming the country with speed guns - in general do it well. And what's more, they are on the side of the law abiding majority.

As MD1 says, nobody was seriously hurt, which given the circumstances, was quite an achievement.

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Did this get an airing ?

Cant remember seeing it yesterday ?

No bloody Liz Hurley got married so they have had to delay it. Would you believe they only have one camera to cover the entire "west" area on the weekend.

Lack of cameras meant my interview hasnt been done yet. Will keep you posted.

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No bloody Liz Hurley got married so they have had to delay it. Would you believe they only have one camera to cover the entire "west" area on the weekend.

Lack of cameras meant my interview hasnt been done yet. Will keep you posted.

Well.... I have just got home from work to find an email from the poice inspector now looking after the complaints and wants to meet me to discuss further. So the ball is still rolling.

Pete

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I fail to see any connection between Tuesday night and the poll tax protests. Your constant references to gestapo etc trivialises the whole issue and undermines what some people feel very strongly about.

By your argument the police would claim a history of BCFC supporters being violent - the club had one of the more violent "firms", invaded the pitch at Ashton Gate and attacked or attempted to attack Rovers players at the end of a game and were involved in major violence at Nottingham just this season.

You have a selective memory Drew - after Beads equaliser fans of the gas invaded the pitch and threatened Stuart Naylor. Every club has it's idiots.

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Many of us are old enough and wise enough to know different - branding many Police officers as 'thugs' is spot on !!!!!

The Police are all too easily led by their corrupt political and toff/snob Crown Prosecution Service lawyer puppet masters. The unrestricted use of chemical weapons spray against BCFC supporters is unacceptable - and the Police responsible should be severely punished. This chemical weapons incident against our supporters comes after charges were dropped by the Police against the Romeo Brown's bouncers when they are clearly shown on the CCTV 'mixing it' with our players in the street outside the club. The Police's Crown Prosecution Service lawyers should never have prosecuted our players without prosecuting the bouncers as well. However you look at the way our players were fined and imprisoned it stinks of Police corruption. OK, the players should never have been out drinking in mid week as professional footballers - when our club was in relegation trouble - but they didn't deserve prison for merely defending themselves against the oafs that were the bouncers.

1984 - a Royalist Gestapo Police cavalry thug batons a bystander at Orgreave....

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"I'll show you. One day I'll grow up to become a Police Officer and use chemical weapons on your children. Then you will be sorry."

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Red Wardy, some deep psychoanalysis is going on with your quotation and its attached piccie. Are you suggesting, perchance, that Police Officers who were once the bullied become the bullies? :worship2:

Aint just pigss who become bullies Gobbers, aint just pigs........

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