The east end has never been the key to sucess

[Guest ashtonyate]

All this East End hype all we get is that has a magic cure that makes the players play better. If you had the East End full up and the team were playing crap it would be the same as any part of the ground

Point in case, when we played Hartlepool it was only when we got a goal back that there was any noise at all, Some people have delusion of grandeur that its the cop at Liverpool

To get the crowd going start playing free flowing football like the last time we went up under Ward then the whole of the ground would be singing

[Matty H]

It makes me laugh reading all the EE threads. There's even an EE sub forum. WTF?????

Personally I couldn't give a toss if I never sat in there again in its current format. I sat there for the Rovers game and the last time before that was against Swindon several years back and I just can not see the appeal AT ALL! Either for fans or any so called effect it has on the players on the pitch. It doesn't! Not a jot! The whole EE things is a myth and I can-not believe how passionately some people feel about the second rate dump of a stand. It's like believing in ghosts, or aliens at Area 51.

[Jay]

All this East End hype all we get is that has a magic cure that makes the players play better. If you had the East End full up and the team were playing crap it would be the same as any part of the ground

Point in case, when we played Hartlepool it was only when we got a goal back that there was any noise at all, Some people have delusion of grandeur that its the cop at Liverpool

To get the crowd going start playing free flowing football like the last time we went up under Ward then the whole of the ground would be singing

Wasn't the EE opened as an overspill for the Hartlepool match?

The point of the EE being open for many is so that fans have an unreserved area in which to congregate. I think that you're wrong & that, if given another chance, the EE faithful will make yet more noise & grow in numbers. The area of the ground isn't as important as the opportunity to have an unreserved area so that fans from all over the ground can join force to show their support in a way that best suits them.

[Meh]

There's only 1 policeman in Liverpool?

[bucksred]

It makes me laugh reading all the EE threads. There's even an EE sub forum. WTF?????

Personally I couldn't give a toss if I never sat in there again in its current format. I sat there for the Rovers game and the last time before that was against Swindon several years back and I just can not see the appeal AT ALL! Either for fans or any so called effect it has on the players on the pitch. It doesn't! Not a jot! The whole EE things is a myth and I can-not believe how passionately some people feel about the second rate dump of a stand. It's like believing in ghosts, or aliens at Area 51.

You may well not like it. thats YOUR choice, quite a few (ok a fair sized number!) do like it and want it to be open. as fans they have their view on where they want to sit/stand/jump all about.

WTF are you denigrating their idea for?

[Guest ashtonyate]

You may well not like it. thats YOUR choice, quite a few (ok a fair sized number!) do like it and want it to be open. as fans they have their view on where they want to sit/stand/jump all about.

WTF are you denigrating their idea for?

That would be ok if It did not cost 5k a time to open I like the ideal that walk up fans could pay but I don't think to club wants that

[Matty H]

You may well not like it. thats YOUR choice, quite a few (ok a fair sized number!) do like it and want it to be open. as fans they have their view on where they want to sit/stand/jump all about.

WTF are you denigrating their idea for?

I'm not speaking for anyone else. That's my point of view. Like it or lump it

[Barrs Court Red]

Yawn, Ashtonyate still fishing.

Didn't you try this in a thread yesterday?

I can't belive my national insurance pays for your employment. Out of interest, do you work with the ginger one, and does he get you to post this crap?

FAO Matty H, the fact that both Tinns AND Johnson have spoken about the posative impact of the East End kind of makes your point sound even more niave than it already is.

[cider head]

It makes me laugh reading all the EE threads. There's even an EE sub forum. WTF?????

Personally I couldn't give a toss if I never sat in there again in its current format. I sat there for the Rovers game and the last time before that was against Swindon several years back and I just can not see the appeal AT ALL! Either for fans or any so called effect it has on the players on the pitch. It doesn't! Not a jot! The whole EE things is a myth and I can-not believe how passionately some people feel about the second rate dump of a stand. It's like believing in ghosts, or aliens at Area 51.

Am i gobbing off at you becuse where you want to sit? nope.

so why moan to where i want to sit?

What i don't get is why fans want to oppose the choice of others?

you don't want to sit there fine, but i do you have your choice i don't.

[cider head]

Wasn't the EE opened as an overspill for the Hartlepool match?

yes and those in the EE against brentford was also in there for hartlepool.

Another point again is unreserved seating, the EE was picked out as a empty area

so like minded people could sit together without upsetting those who don't want

to support the club vocally, i really don't see the problem with that.

[Guest tommy doc]

All this East End hype all we get is that has a magic cure that makes the players play better. If you had the East End full up and the team were playing crap it would be the same as any part of the ground

Point in case, when we played Hartlepool it was only when we got a goal back that there was any noise at all, Some people have delusion of grandeur that its the cop at Liverpool

To get the crowd going start playing free flowing football like the last time we went up under Ward then the whole of the ground would be singing

It's not about the East End, it's about an area of unreserved seating for like minded fans to congregate and give 90 minutes of positive support.

[cider head]

It's not about the East End, it's about an area of unreserved seating for like minded fans to congregate and give 90 minutes of positive support.

spot on

[freezer]

Sorry, I thought sussies was suspenders.

After reading the posts it's just another football related thingy. Then again, how about a stocking wearing section of the ground, Franknfurter or babe style, ding dong.

Yes, I have been drinking.

susses, tch!.

[Keepers Ball]

It would be far more popular if it wasnt such a pain in the arse to get in there.I wouldnt mind going back in there now and again but i simply cant be arsed to go to the club midweek to swap my season ticket for the day.

Now if they allowed people to just go in on any season ticket on a "first come first in" basis I think it would fill out more

[Robbored]

(ok a fair sized number!)

About 650? from a gate of approx 11000...Hmmmmm

[Robbored]

Yawn, Ashtonyate still fishing.

Not another forum user with a 'different' view dismissed with a throwaway remark? What ever happened to an alternative view?

[Robbored]

It's not about the East End, it's about an area of unreserved seating for like minded fans to congregate and give 90 minutes of positive support.

Yet another slant on the EE debate....its not about the EE at all - its about an area of unreserved area of seating......that broadens the arguement no end.

[Guest tommy doc]

It would be far more popular if it wasnt such a pain in the arse to get in there.I wouldnt mind going back in there now and again but i simply cant be arsed to go to the club midweek to swap my season ticket for the day.

Now if they allowed people to just go in on any season ticket on a "first come first in" basis I think it would fill out more

For the Brentford game you could phone up in advance to swap your season ticket, and collect the EE tickets on the day. If you got there in plenty of time it was fine, although if you left it a little later you were cutting it fine-only one window open, tsk.

I think it was Southville Kiddy (from what i've read) who sorted things though by kicking up a fuss and getting the woman to bring all the tickets out, meaning i and my brothers got in just in time for kick off. Thankyou kiddy

[Guest tommy doc]

Yet another slant on the EE debate....its not about the EE at all - its about an area of unreserved area of seating......that broadens the arguement no end.

Ah, but at this very moment it has to be about the EE because that is the only part of the ground with a significant number of seats not already reserved for season ticket holders.

[WTFiGO!?!]

Not another forum user with a 'different' view dismissed with a throwaway remark? What ever happened to an alternative view?

Not about alternative views, everyone know's this is an intense and sensitive issue to many and how you get your petulent kicks - phony and pompous sense of self importance and attention through sticking your awe in.

Save us your bollox reply.

You're on 'ignore'.

Cheerio.

[Will Rollason]

I bin in the east end each time it was open over last few seasons and the ONLY reason why is cause i can stand up with lots of others and shout my mouth off in company

its a crap place to watch footbal but a reminder of what it used to be like to watch on a terrace ( yes i am old enough to remember watching on a terrace).

drink up thee zider

[City_pete1]

All this East End hype all we get is that has a magic cure that makes the players play better. If you had the East End full up and the team were playing crap it would be the same as any part of the ground

Point in case, when we played Hartlepool it was only when we got a goal back that there was any noise at all, Some people have delusion of grandeur that its the cop at Liverpool

To get the crowd going start playing free flowing football like the last time we went up under Ward then the whole of the ground would be singing

Well GJ and the players appreciated it.... We sang all the way through. Its better for us fans to have all the singers together. I have nothing against people who don't want to sing, but getting behind the team and creating an intimidating atmosphere does help the team. Why else does GJ talk about 'the 12th man' as he has done?

[Guest]

About 650? from a gate of approx 11000...Hmmmmm

You`ve done this before,wind up merchant, and the reply is still the same if the turnstiles were open on the day and you could of booked on line and a bit more notice was given and a bit more advertisement there WOULD OF been a few more in there;

That number would certainly increased if it had been open for Bradford; the pictures of an almost empty end were heartbreaking.

Now IF mr S.L and co was serious about remarks in Tues programm and he expects almost certain sell outs for the up coming CRUCIAL GAMES why on earth arent tickets for the E.E. on sale already?????? As they are and have been to the away fans;

FOR CRYING OUTLOUD R.R WE`RE SUPPOSED TO BE AT HOME

This COULD make all the difference and for you to be constantly knocking it down is terrible MR CHAIRMAN.

[Guest]

All this East End hype all we get is that has a magic cure that makes the players play better. If you had the East End full up and the team were playing crap it would be the same as any part of the ground

Point in case, when we played Hartlepool it was only when we got a goal back that there was any noise at all, Some people have delusion of grandeur that its the cop at Liverpool

To get the crowd going start playing free flowing football like the last time we went up under Ward then the whole of the ground would be singing

You`re a bigger wind up merchant than R.R

Its important now we need everything we have; G.J and the players and EVEN S.L said it made a difference and yours and others constant knocking it is terrible at what is a crucail time of the season.

There is no harm at all in opening up an area where all singers and all like minded people can join in one united front for the rest of the games;everyday wasted now gives more advantage to the away fans and team and less chance to get a sizable City in there

[Guest ashtonyate]

You`re a bigger wind up merchant than R.R

Its important now we need everything we have; G.J and the players and EVEN S.L said it made a difference and yours and others constant knocking it is terrible at what is a crucail time of the season.

There is no harm at all in opening up an area where all singers and all like minded people can join in one united front for the rest of the games;everyday wasted now gives more advantage to the away fans and team and less chance to get a sizable City in there

Why am I a wind up merchant because I hold a different view to some of you.This is a forum to discuss issues about Bristol City we live in a country where free speech is allowed

What I am saying is true Tuesday Night it would have made no different we played crap had the east end had been full of supporter of the general public it would have the same as the rest of the ground.

Unless you are going to restrict it to signing fans only then I suppose you would need an ordination before entry.

At 5K a time I must agree with the board that its not viable just to keep a couple of hundred fans happy

[Guest]

Why am I a wind up merchant because I hold a different view to some of you.This is a forum to discuss issues about Bristol City we live in a country where free speech is allowed

What I am saying is true Tuesday Night it would have made no different we played crap had the east end had been full of supporter of the general public it would have the same as the rest of the ground.

Unless you are going to restrict it to signing fans only then I suppose you would need an ordination before entry.

At 5K a time I must agree with the board that its not viable just to keep a couple of hundred fans happy

Hey mate we played crap v Brentford and won, the difference was???

You again with your "couple of hundred" in my book thats 2 or 3 not 6 to 7 hundred that were there;reasons for which have been stated elsewhere; your figures on costings are wrong as they do not take into account Police costs that will be there for the next big 3 home games ANYWAY and there will be no need for any extra. The catering is paid for by the caters so the actual costing would be negligable therefore;

There are some fans who wont be part of the library expierence and many others who are losing interest.

Your statement that "it would of made no difference" is wrong ask the players manager or S.L; it may not of but it may also have, cuts both ways.

[Guest]

It makes me laugh reading all the EE threads. There's even an EE sub forum. WTF?????

Personally I couldn't give a toss if I never sat in there again in its current format. I sat there for the Rovers game and the last time before that was against Swindon several years back and I just can not see the appeal AT ALL! Either for fans or any so called effect it has on the players on the pitch. It doesn't! Not a jot! The whole EE things is a myth and I can-not believe how passionately some people feel about the second rate dump of a stand. It's like believing in ghosts, or aliens at Area 51.

"the effect" did you not read what G.J./ S.L. and the players themselves have said; IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE

[Guest ashtonyate]

Hey mate we played crap v Brentford and won, the difference was???

You again with your "couple of hundred" in my book thats 2 or 3 not 6 to 7 hundred that were there;reasons for which have been stated elsewhere; your figures on costings are wrong as they do not take into account Police costs that will be there for the next big 3 home games ANYWAY and there will be no need for any extra. The catering is paid for by the caters so the actual costing would be negligable therefore;

There are some fans who wont be part of the library expierence and many others who are losing interest.

Your statement that "it would of made no difference" is wrong ask the players manager or S.L; it may not of but it may also have, cuts both ways.

If the east end is needed to seat extra fan to watch the next few games that's bringing extra money to the club which is good. But to seat fans so they can transfer from other parts of the ground is a unnecessary expense and the figure of 5K in extra policing cannot be justified I believe

Also I cannot agree that the singing made a great deal of difference in the Brentford game I think you are getting carried away a bit

[Guest North Street]

About 650? from a gate of approx 11000...Hmmmmm

Allied to a petition and the supporters trust survey.

Heres one you ignored earlier in the week

"FANS" had only two weeks to promote this game.

150 supporters were attracted to the East End who were not season ticket holders at £17 a head; this may have some bearing on your figures.

Despite the "club" putting restrictions on this match you are quoting figures for policing which is not at the lower rate, why?

Fans after meeting the Chairman on the 29th Jan had to wait until Feb 22nd for the club to announce the East End was open before promoting this match themselves. Why if the club where working in partnership with support did this announcement take so long?

Fans had to press the club to promote the opening of the East End.

I think v Brentford the supporters of Bristol City earned and deserve another opportunity to show their loyalty and passion for the club in the East End again.

You as Chairman and representative of the "Supporters" club attending club board meetings can help facilitate the above process.

You are supposed to be representing fans.

UP THE CITY

[Andy Horsman]

Allied to a petition and the supporters trust survey.

Heres one you ignored earlier in the week

"FANS" had only two weeks to promote this game.

150 supporters were attracted to the East End who were not season ticket holders at £17 a head; this may have some bearing on your figures.

Despite the "club" putting restrictions on this match you are quoting figures for policing which is not at the lower rate, why?

Fans after meeting the Chairman on the 29th Jan had to wait until Feb 22nd for the club to announce the East End was open before promoting this match themselves. Why if the club where working in partnership with support did this announcement take so long?

Fans had to press the club to promote the opening of the East End.

I think v Brentford the supporters of Bristol City earned and deserve another opportunity to show their loyalty and passion for the club in the East End again.

You as Chairman and representative of the "Supporters" club attending club board meetings can help facilitate the above process.

You are supposed to be representing fans.

UP THE CITY

I am ambivalent about sitting in the EE, but strongly support those who want to sit there. ,The acoustics are undoubtly better, and the atmosphere created vs Brentford, despite the carefully and forensically restricted numbers for which the club MUST take the blame, was fantastic.

Robbored the SC seems to be less about supporters and more about kissing the boards butt.

Like a shop steward on the board of directors!!!! How can an organisation which claims to represent supporters seem so ineffective, complacent and obsolete.

Viva the Trust and Keep the fight up for supporters to be listened to

It seems obvious why attendances are lower than we all expect. This world, and football is no different, is now more and more consumer led.

Ignore your consumers and the consequences are dire.

[Barrs Court Red]

But to seat fans so they can transfer from other parts of the ground is a unnecessary expense and the figure of 5K in extra policing cannot be justified I believe

bit

FACT Cost is not an issue. either read up on the subject or stop your ill informed nonsense.

[Guest Cider_Army]

Some people clearly have short memories. In the last time we nearly achieved promotion we had the EE full on several occasions, the close wins against Plymuff and QPR might still have happened , but I think it had a lot to do with the huge amount of noise and support, singing the players names etc.

Who honestly believes that a player will respond better to some moaner yelling that he's a tart from the touchline, than to a mass of people singing his name in a positive way. It shows the player that he fans who pay his wages care about him and want him to do well.

No one is saying it is like the Kop for one we don't have enough people, but a strong support of singing must make a difference to the players.

[bh red]

just make Block A in the ayteo unreserved seating and let them go there, that should be enough seats.... :thumbsup:

[Guest North Street]

just make Block A in the ayteo unreserved seating and let them go there, that should be enough seats.... :thumbsup:

http://www.subcider.co.uk/subb/download/Fo...0the%20Fans.doc

Do your homework!

[Flaxbourton Red]

just make Block A in the ayteo unreserved seating and let them go there, that should be enough seats.... :thumbsup:

red nose day was yesterday

[Flaxbourton Red]

All this East End hype all we get is that has a magic cure that makes the players play better. If you had the East End full up and the team were playing crap it would be the same as any part of the ground

Point in case, when we played Hartlepool it was only when we got a goal back that there was any noise at all, Some people have delusion of grandeur that its the cop at Liverpool

To get the crowd going start playing free flowing football like the last time we went up under Ward then the whole of the ground would be singing

this topic looks familiar, i'm seeing double perhaps, it looks like the one that was moved to the sub forum.

As for holding any delusional ideation I'm afraid it's your argument that is not up to much "cop".

Ask a scouser what the best team is in the world, he will say liverpool (ok he might say everton smart-arse, but just say he is a red)

Ask him what the best football song in the world is, he is going to say "You'll never work again"

the loudest, most passionate stand to watch his team, your going to get "the KOP"

Ask a Bristolian, your going to end up with City, Drink up thee cider and....

well...

the east end

[Guest]

If the east end is needed to seat extra fan to watch the next few games that's bringing extra money to the club which is good. But to seat fans so they can transfer from other parts of the ground is a unnecessary expense and the figure of 5K in extra policing cannot be justified I believe

Also I cannot agree that the singing made a great deal of difference in the Brentford game I think you are getting carried away a bit

O.K LAST CHANCE NICE AND SLOW FOR U;

Police costs will not be applicable as they will be there anyway for these 3 big games; so very few if any extra will be needed.

LSTEN TO THE MANAGER,PLAYERS AND EVEN YOUR CHAIRMAN AS TO IF IT MADE A DIFFERENCE.

£93000 SPENT ON A p.a system is unnecessary expense as we already have one i.m.h.o.

[Guest ashtonyate]

O.K LAST CHANCE NICE AND SLOW FOR U;

Police costs will not be applicable as they will be there anyway for these 3 big games; so very few if any extra will be needed.

LSTEN TO THE MANAGER,PLAYERS AND EVEN YOUR CHAIRMAN AS TO IF IT MADE A DIFFERENCE.

£93000 SPENT ON A p.a system is unnecessary expense as we already have one i.m.h.o.

If you read what I said that if its for an overspill for big games thats ok but if its just for a 100+ supporters transferring from seat from other parts of the ground with not bringing extra revenue to cover its cost its a wast of money for the club and supporters

In another post it was said that the last time we went up how good the atmosphere was in the ee but it was great all around the ground we were playing good open fast football with a forward line that could score goals not like now when we go one goal up and then hang on or not like Tuesday night

[Robbored]

£93000 SPENT ON A p.a system is unnecessary expense as we already have one i.m.h.o.

The current PA system is years old and is in desperate need of replacing. £93000 well spent imho.

[pdgifford64]

If the east end is needed to seat extra fan to watch the next few games that's bringing extra money to the club which is good. But to seat fans so they can transfer from other parts of the ground is a unnecessary expense and the figure of 5K in extra policing cannot be justified I believe

Also I cannot agree that the singing made a great deal of difference in the Brentford game I think you are getting carried away a bit

While i agree that each is entitled to express their opinion for or against as i read your replies i can`t help but come to the conclusion that you`d quite happily sit at AG and listen out for the pins dropping while munching on your prawn sandwich. Before you punch the reply button please allow me to express my opinion. At a couple of months past my 42nd birthday i confess that my days of wanting to stand at matches and walk out with a sore throat afterwards have passed me by. But i spent my formative years standing in the EE terrace. I couldn`t see a bloody thing most matches but being there was what counted.

While the singing v Brentford may not have affected the result directly, IT DID affect the atmosphere of the ground, and if you cannot concede that point then i can only assume that you were not at that match.

In my youth the only football i saw was on the park or at the gate. There wasn`t the blanket television coverage we have nowadays where some of the top players in the world can be seen week in week out entertaining thousands. Supporting a football club isn`t cheap, its a life commitment for some, for others,well they need to see some of that stuff we see on the telly week in week out. At this level your not going to get it, so wheres the draw. Wheres the hook that brings the young supporter back through the turnstiles. And i`m not talking about the chavvy idiots, i`m talking about the supporters who havn`t quite made that life commitment yet.

Fans that want to sit together, sing and chant as one group, and not as 3 or 4 groups dispersed around the ground, should be allowed to do so. Perhaps then they won`t leave after a match thinking how unentertained they`d been, or questioning why that bloke in the Dolman/Williams/Atyeo was screaming at so and so about how shite he was.

So what if only 650ish made it in there for the Brentford game, they sounded like 3000, they (probably, don`t want to be quoted) left happy not only about the result but the 2hrs they had where they actually enjoyed the whole match experience.

Take your blinkers off pal. If you enjoy your matchday experience who are you to say that other supporters shouldn`t enjoy theirs just because they want to do it differently.

You can`t keep quoting 5k and expect that to be a valid argument against fans in the EE.

PDG

[Tom Fleuriot]

So what if only 650ish made it in there for the Brentford game, they sounded like 3000, they (probably, don`t want to be quoted) left happy not only about the result but the 2hrs they had where they actually enjoyed the whole match experience.

Just to add 2p worth.

I sit in the Atyeo every week, in block H (ST for block F but prefer the atmosphere in H)

I was disappointed by the EE in the Northampton match, and felt afterwards there was no point in it being open.

However, what you say about the Brentford game is spot on. The EE clearly got the whole ground singing, even there seemed to be more emphasis on anti-Gas songs than watching the match...

I think that it's worth keeping it open, and it's our best chance of getting some new songs and lifting the atmosphere.

[Meh]

I've just put nobored and assake on ignore.

It feels so good

edit: City score coming through whilst I was typing. Undoubtedbly a sign!

[Robbored]

I've just put nobored and astonmate on ignore.

Then you won't read this....but I'll type it anyway.

Ignoring other peoples opinion is just another example of the inflexible attitude that you see on here from some forum users who don't have the broadmindedness or cognition to do anything else.

[pdgifford64]

Then you won't read this....but I'll type it anyway.

Ignoring other peoples opinion is just another example of the inflexible attitude that you see on here from some forum users who don't have the broadmindedness or cognition to do anything else.

No its not.

PDG

[Nibor]

Ignoring other peoples opinion is just another example of the inflexible attitude that you see on here

Yes, not least from yourself! Glad you're coming to recognise it, now if you could just see your way to answering a few questions that would be lovely.

On the East end, no it isn't the key to success and never has been. But it makes a small difference to the players, they an the manager have said so themselves so in that case why not open it?

[Guest ashtonyate]

While i agree that each is entitled to express their opinion for or against as i read your replies i can`t help but come to the conclusion that you`d quite happily sit at AG and listen out for the pins dropping while munching on your prawn sandwich. Before you punch the reply button please allow me to express my opinion. At a couple of months past my 42nd birthday i confess that my days of wanting to stand at matches and walk out with a sore throat afterwards have passed me by. But i spent my formative years standing in the EE terrace. I couldn`t see a bloody thing most matches but being there was what counted.

While the singing v Brentford may not have affected the result directly, IT DID affect the atmosphere of the ground, and if you cannot concede that point then i can only assume that you were not at that match.

In my youth the only football i saw was on the park or at the gate. There wasn`t the blanket television coverage we have nowadays where some of the top players in the world can be seen week in week out entertaining thousands. Supporting a football club isn`t cheap, its a life commitment for some, for others,well they need to see some of that stuff we see on the telly week in week out. At this level your not going to get it, so wheres the draw. Wheres the hook that brings the young supporter back through the turnstiles. And i`m not talking about the chavvy idiots, i`m talking about the supporters who havn`t quite made that life commitment yet.

Fans that want to sit together, sing and chant as one group, and not as 3 or 4 groups dispersed around the ground, should be allowed to do so. Perhaps then they won`t leave after a match thinking how unentertained they`d been, or questioning why that bloke in the Dolman/Williams/Atyeo was screaming at so and so about how shite he was.

So what if only 650ish made it in there for the Brentford game, they sounded like 3000, they (probably, don`t want to be quoted) left happy not only about the result but the 2hrs they had where they actually enjoyed the whole match experience.

Take your blinkers off pal. If you enjoy your matchday experience who are you to say that other supporters shouldn`t enjoy theirs just because they want to do it differently.

You can`t keep quoting 5k and expect that to be a valid argument against fans in the EE.

PDG

But I can keep quoting the 5K argument I read that to open the east end cost the club 5k if that money is made up of new people OK but to let people transfer from other part of the ground without new income is silly

The trouble is its all right spending other people money but not yours if the east end means so much to the fans then surcharge to cost of open it up to those who want to sit there because at the end of the day someone has to pay for it

[Guest Bristolface]

Yawn, Ashtonyate still fishing.

Didn't you try this in a thread yesterday?

I can't belive my national insurance pays for your employment. Out of interest, do you work with the ginger one, and does he get you to post this crap?

FAO Matty H, the fact that both Tinns AND Johnson have spoken about the posative impact of the East End kind of makes your point sound even more niave than it already is.

Spot on GJ said at the launch of city founation that he loved the sound that was made from the EE, ok the veiw might not be great down there, but on the 11match winning run we went on under DW the atmospher was great down there yours ears were ringing for day's.

[bucksred]

That would be ok if It did not cost 5k a time to open I like the ideal that walk up fans could pay but I don't think to club wants that

I don't like the prawn brigade and they cost money too. next.

I'm not speaking for anyone else. That's my point of view. Like it or lump it

Aggressive aren't we? Hit a sore point have we?

Not another forum user with a 'different' view dismissed with a throwaway remark? What ever happened to an alternative view?

Pot, kettle and black from the angler supreme

Yet another slant on the EE debate....its not about the EE at all - its about an area of unreserved area of seating......that broadens the arguement no end.

and pray tell, where else in Ashton Gate could this group congregate, if not the EE?

[pdgifford64]

But I can keep quoting the 5K argument I read that to open the east end cost the club 5k if that money is made up of new people OK but to let people transfer from other part of the ground without new income is silly

The trouble is its all right spending other people money but not yours if the east end means so much to the fans then surcharge to cost of open it up to those who want to sit there because at the end of the day someone has to pay for it

1. Additional policing for next three home games would absorb cost of policing EE

2.Sell out crowds for remaining 4 home fixtures. ST holders transferring to EE would have their seats resold,ergo, no loss of revenue.

3. SL has been quoted as saying policing costs are NOT the over riding factor.

Respond please.

PDG

[bucksred]

1. Additional policing for next three home games would absorb cost of policing EE

2.Sell out crowds for remaining 4 home fixtures. ST holders transferring to EE would have their seats resold,ergo, no loss of revenue.

3. SL has been quoted as saying policing costs are NOT the over riding factor.

Respond please.

PDG

Self evident all of that. spot on that man. will be interested in the reply.

[Guest North Street]

But I can keep quoting the 5K argument I read that to open the east end cost the club 5k if that money is made up of new people OK but to let people transfer from other part of the ground without new income is silly

The trouble is its all right spending other people money but not yours if the east end means so much to the fans then surcharge to cost of open it up to those who want to sit there because at the end of the day someone has to pay for it

On the 29th of Jan Steve Lansdown stated at a meeting that cost was not an issue and in a moment of altruism said he would pay it himself. I certainly would not expect that at all. V Brentford 150 non season ticket sales were included in the East End figure of 688. I would also point out that the club were expected to promote and as late as the 8th March were being reminded of this. Ally that to the late announcement of the stands opening again of the clubs making, no on the day sales again agreed only by the club plus again no online ticket booking a figure of 688 starts to look pretty good. I will add more transfers from the Dolman/Williams can be resold at a profit and if the club had promoted with a bit of enthusiasm there would be money made from the East End.

Unlike the premier club the East End will not need discounts to sell. All which has been asked of Mr Lansdown was a run of games and arrangements on par with the rest of the ground.

[Meh]

Unfortunately, Mr Red, I can still see your comments when they are quoted so I did read it.

I am extremely broad-minded. The reason I don't want to read your posts any further is down to your complete narrow mindedness on every issue that the everyday fan cares about.

I doubt you even know the everyday fans truly want? Yet, you represent them. Bizarro.

I might take you off ignore when I hear or read that you have FINALLY published some topic headings that you are unhappy with at our club and plan to address with the board.

Presuming there is still football that far in the future.

[Guest North Street]

Yet another slant on the EE debate....its not about the EE at all - its about an area of unreserved area of seating......that broadens the arguement no end.

A unreserved seating area was discussed with the Chairman after he asked why fans simply could not move on the 29th Jan and i think he accepted that the new stand whenever it is built would need to include this. There is not space currently for 688 maybe a lot more fans en masse to move to any stand except the ............!

Now what about these points you keep ignoring?

"FANS" had only two weeks to promote this game.

150 supporters were attracted to the East End who were not season ticket holders at £17 a head; this may have some bearing on your figures.

Despite the "club" putting restrictions on this match you are quoting figures for policing which is not at the lower rate, why?

Fans after meeting the Chairman on the 29th Jan had to wait until Feb 22nd for the club to announce the East End was open before promoting this match themselves. Why if the club where working in partnership with support did this announcement take so long?

Fans had to press the club to promote the opening of the East End.

I think v Brentford the supporters of Bristol City earned and deserve another opportunity to show their loyalty and passion for the club in the East End again.

You as Chairman and representative of the "Supporters" club attending club board meetings can help facilitate the above process.

You are supposed to be representing fans.

UP THE CITY

[Dolman Block B]

All this East End hype all we get is that has a magic cure that makes the players play better. If you had the East End full up and the team were playing crap it would be the same as any part of the ground

Point in case, when we played Hartlepool it was only when we got a goal back that there was any noise at all, Some people have delusion of grandeur that its the cop at Liverpool

To get the crowd going start playing free flowing football like the last time we went up under Ward then the whole of the ground would be singing

Get a life..........in its hay day the East End was superb.......the club is on brink of promotion and needs as much support as possible..........the E A S T E N D "WILL" provide it

[bucksred]

Get a life..........in its hay day the East End was superb.......the club is on brink of promotion and needs as much support as possible..........the E A S T E N D "WILL" provide it

Arny, you gotta be joking mate. Some people wont be happy until the whole "Ashton Gate Experience" is as sterile as a morgue-devoid of life, cut of from the reality and excitement which being at a football game is supposed to be.

Good God!!!! Enjoy yourself?? Sing??? Shout??? Swear??? Laugh??? Support Your Team???? thats not being on message is it!!

With these people youre pissing into the face of a Force 10 Gale. Sad. But True.

[Dolman Block B]

Arny, you gotta be joking mate. Some people wont be happy until the whole "Ashton Gate Experience" is as sterile as a morgue-devoid of life, cut of from the reality and excitement which being at a football game is supposed to be.

Good God!!!! Enjoy yourself?? Sing??? Shout??? Swear??? Laugh??? Support Your Team???? thats not being on message is it!!

With these people youre pissing into the face of a Force 10 Gale. Sad. But True.

Buck,s can tell what this club means to you, the same as me,...........will THEY EVER LEARN MATE?

[bucksred]

Buck,s can tell what this club means to you, the same as me,...........will THEY EVER LEARN MATE?

Not a fn chance mate. Luckily youve seen City in the Top two flights, sadly only League 2 in real money for me, but we seen our boys up there with the big clubs. It was a pleasure. dunno how many of these would feel the same. its only a game. innit. :noexpression:

[Dolman Block B]

Not a fn chance mate. Luckily youve seen City in the Top two flights, sadly only League 2 in real money for me, but we seen our boys up there with the big clubs. It was a pleasure. dunno how many of these would feel the same. its only a game. innit. :noexpression:

Legend mucker...with passion...makes i laugh thou

[Guest ashtonyate]

Get a life..........in its hay day the East End was superb.......the club is on brink of promotion and needs as much support as possible..........the E A S T E N D "WILL" provide it

Is that the same as when I was a Kid All the Summer were hot and the Winter were freezing in truth the east end was no different to any other part of the ground Like Crackers corner and the like if the team is playing well they will get the cheering and singing all around the ground if not the EE can be like a morgue like the rest of the ground because you are never going to fill it up with fans that want to sing all the time.

[Dolman Block B]

Is that the same as when I was a Kid All the Summer were hot and the Winter were freezing in truth the east end was no different to any other part of the ground Like Crackers corner and the like if the team is playing well they will get the cheering and singing all around the ground if not the EE can be like a morgue like the rest of the ground because you are never going to fill it up with fans that want to sing all the time.

Well were and many others are going to beg to differ on the subject AY.

The East End will and does provide excellent noise that is BOUND to lift the players.

I cant really see theres an arguement to be had over it.

Personally, i cant remeber the eastend EVER being like a morgue.....but twas a long long time ago tbh

[bucksred]

Is that the same as when I was a Kid All the Summer were hot and the Winter were freezing in truth the east end was no different to any other part of the ground Like Crackers corner and the like if the team is playing well they will get the cheering and singing all around the ground if not the EE can be like a morgue like the rest of the ground because you are never going to fill it up with fans that want to sing all the time.

If you say so mate, if you say so. The ground has been a morgue for most of the time The EE has been closed. getting worse year by year. but you are a believer...we must be wrong ay?

[Dolman Block B]

If you say so mate, if you say so. The ground has been a morgue for most of the time The EE has been closed. getting worse year by year. but you are a believer...we must be wrong ay?

Evenind Buck,s...if/when the East End is open for our final home game and PACKED with 3000 plus diehard Reds, then the old days will be relived for a short while, with a fantastic atmosphere, and hopefully our promotion day!!!!!!

[pdgifford64]

FAO Ashtonyate......

Still waiting for a response to post #48........

PDG

[Guest ashtonyate]

If you say so mate, if you say so. The ground has been a morgue for most of the time The EE has been closed. getting worse year by year. but you are a believer...we must be wrong ay?

The reason the ground atmosphere has been poor is that ever since the last time we came down.

Is the teams under different managers has been substandard we have been there or there abouts since we were relegated but none of the teams have given the fans the confidence in there ability to perform.

So making the fans nervous and on the edge of their seats. Which is why fans find it hard to get behind the team because the fans are waiting for the team to fail. In most case's when a big performance was required the team did, and still are now eg Rovers & Bradford show that it still has that fault now

I know this not a good thing for the Club or team. I hope Johnson can get rid of this mind set but it will not happen overnight, a lot of the home games this season does not inspire one with confidence

If what is said it does not cost the club extra money to open it OK but I was reading an article that said it cost 5k to open it up because the Police insists on manning it with Police Officers and not just steward and at that price over a course of a season it would cost 100k + which is better spent on other things.

[Brianred]

The reason the ground atmosphere has been poor is that ever since the last time we came down.

Is the teams under different managers has been substandard we have been there or there abouts since we were relegated but none of the teams have given the fans the confidence in there ability to perform.

So making the fans nervous and on the edge of their seats. Which is why fans find it hard to get behind the team because the fans are waiting for the team to fail. In most case's when a big performance was required the team did, and still are now eg Rovers & Bradford show that it still has that fault now

I know this not a good thing for the Club or team. I hope Johnson can get rid of this mind set but it will not happen overnight, a lot of the home games this season does not inspire one with confidence

If what is said it does not cost the club extra money to open it OK but I was reading an article that said it cost 5k to open it up because the Police insists on manning it with Police Officers and not just steward and at that price over a course of a season it would cost 100k + which is better spent on other things.

What bugs me, there is no need to have police in the EE. If it were home fans only in a unreserved seating stand and the away fans housed elsewhere, a few stewards would be more than enough. Being old enough to remember the EE as it was at the height of football hooliganism in the 70's 80's there was next to nothing in the way of trouble in the East.

It was more of a meeting place for groups of friends who could stand together, and also make friends with fellow supporters they did not know.I knew faces throughout the seasons but never knew their names, but were there for one thing only, and that was getting behind the players, and sing, shout and yeah moan (sometimes), but come out of the ground, win, lose or draw, just happy that you have been in something special. So don't make me laugh ashtonyate buy saying it costs 5k a game to police. There is a big profit to come out of the EE, if it was run properly.

[WTFiGO!?!]

What bugs me, there is no need to have police in the EE. If it were home fans only in a unreserved seating stand and the away fans housed elsewhere, a few stewards would be more than enough. Being old enough to remember the EE as it was at the height of football hooliganism in the 70's 80's there was next to nothing in the way of trouble in the East.

It was more of a meeting place for groups of friends who could stand together, and also make friends with fellow supporters they did not know.I knew faces throughout the seasons but never knew their names, but were there for one thing only, and that was getting behind the players, and sing, shout and yeah moan (sometimes), but come out of the ground, win, lose or draw, just happy that you have been in something special. So don't make me laugh ashtonyate buy saying it costs 5k a game to police. There is a big profit to come out of the EE, if it was run properly.

Don't know why I'm bothering man:

There was no need for Police during our last party in there.

Not met anyone who said it did not transform the usual dissmal atmosphere into one of that of a Football Groung (traditional anyway) - other than Ashtonyate and RR - who obviously has his own ego and agenda to attend to anyway.

The Club have stated money IS NOT an issue anyway.

We talk of end of season party's if we go up.... what party? Miserable old git's who sit there like bored cardboard cutouts and Simon Cowell's, Families with their kids, folk who leave up to 10 minutes before the end, man wtf, it's beyond me what the problem is....

This post's a waste of time like I say..

They do not understand.

Yay, we go up, now lets clap them off - all controlled and orderly you know, very PC-like - they may even play a Wurzels track instead of Amorrillo if we're lucky, get back to our cars quickly as possible - sit in horrendous queus - possibly hooting our hornes if we're feeling particularly 'wacky' and then go home. Might have tomato soup that night to celebrate. No fun though - strictly restricted. Against health and safety regulations you know, what would Colin say...? Then come on here to tell everyone how brilliant it all was.

''Brainwashed Suburbia'' is all I can say.

give us our east end back

[Guest ashtonyate]

Don't know why I'm bothering man:

There was no need for Police during our last party in there.

Not met anyone who said it did not transform the usual dissmal atmosphere into one of that of a Football Groung (traditional anyway) - other than Ashtonyate and RR - who obviously has his own ego and agenda to attend to anyway.

The Club have stated money IS NOT an issue anyway.

We talk of end of season party's if we go up.... what party? Miserable old git's who sit there like bored cardboard cutouts and Simon Cowell's, Families with their kids, folk who leave up to 10 minutes before the end, man wtf, it's beyond me what the problem is....

This post's a waste of time like I say..

They do not understand.

Yay, we go up, now lets clap them off - all controlled and orderly you know, very PC-like - they may even play a Wurzels track instead of Amorrillo if we're lucky, get back to our cars quickly as possible - sit in horrendous queus - possibly hooting our hornes if we're feeling particularly 'wacky' and then go home. Might have tomato soup that night to celebrate. No fun though - strictly restricted. Against health and safety regulations you know, what would Colin say...? Then come on here to tell everyone how brilliant it all was.

''Brainwashed Suburbia'' is all I can say.

give us our east end back

You are making a load of assumption there aren't you why if you don't want to sing that you are a miserable old git.

In fact if there if none stop singing I fell that does really give you an atmosphere just a constant noise you just as well put a load of speakers there, atmosphere is produced by a good move or something that happens like a good attack then the crowd can show there appreciation

when I used to sit in the Atyeo the Samba band did nothing but get on most people nerves most of the time

If what you say is true why will the club not open up the EE if its not cost??

[Guest ashtonyate]

You are making a load of assumption there aren't you why if you don't want to sing that you are a miserable old git.

In fact if there if none stop singing I fell that does not really give you an atmosphere just a constant noise you just as well put a load of speakers there, atmosphere is produced by a good move or something that happens like a good attack then the crowd can show there appreciation

when I used to sit in the Atyeo the Samba band did nothing but get on most people nerves most of the time

If what you say is true why will the club not open up the EE if its not cost??

[WTFiGO!?!]

You are making a load of assumption there aren't you why if you don't want to sing that you are a miserable old git.

In fact if there if none stop singing I fell that does not really give you an atmosphere just a constant noise you just as well put a load of speakers there, atmosphere is produced by a good move or something that happens like a good attack then the crowd can show there appreciation

when I used to sit in the Atyeo the Samba band did nothing but get on most people nerves most of the time

If what you say is true why will the club not open up the EE if its not cost??

A constant noise of 600-1000 Football fans singing does aquate to a Footballing atmosphere imo. You still get your ''oooing'' and ''arrring'' and tense moments of silence as well as your deafly roars.

I use the term ''miserable old git'' only in terms of relevance to that of the disposition of that of those who do want to sing who tend to be high spirited and fun-loving.

My Old Dear is not renound for demanding everyone around her give her the ''C-eeee!'' either, the East End would not be for her. I do however feel bored and restrained when accompanying her, luckilly The Atyeo is well suited to my older brother and his Mrs.

Also when I speak of 'atmosphere' I do not just mean singing, as you stated with the samba band (and one of the reasons I am against musical instruments at Football grounds) it just provides an artificial substitute for a lack of 'atmosphere'. What I mean by 'atmosphere' is that of the ambience of the People, in the vast majorety of AG it is flat, dead and yes miserable - last time I was in the Atyeo it was like people were almost to inhibbitted to even speak to each other. Now compare that to the East End during the Brentford game - there was jubilance, a buzz in the air, it was exciting. Met loads of randoms all who shared the common goal - enjoyment and celebration, ''WE CAME ONE'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7LBwxh-uVM...ted&search= , singing is more a result of this than for singings sake itself. This is what those opposed to the East End can not seem to comprehend and that's why I label them 'miserable'. Credit to those who say: ''it's not for me - but I understand the appeal for others''.

That's it ''different floats for different folks'' and that is why us East End folk are so vocal and vociferous about it, we are denighed our float.

I believe the Club's refusal to open up the East End is due to it being in their eyes a potential ''catalyst for trouble'' and it being like a red flag for the hoolies not to mention an unneccessary inconveniance. (peruce the other 1000 threads on the subject for more details) For Category A games (Millwall, Cardiff, Stoke etc) I do have sympathy for their stance - still think we're handing Forest, Swansea and Yeovil the advantage on a plate mind you - as for Bradford, Chesterfield, Oldham etc, these games have no appeal to the hoolies anyway and it is simply the masses being blindly punished without good course. The cost for the Police isn't even neccessary judging by the Brentford party as I stated in the other post.

[Guest ashtonyate]

A constant noise of 600-1000 Football fans singing does aquate to a Footballing atmosphere imo. You still get your ''oooing'' and ''arrring'' and tense moments of silence as well as your deafly roars.

I use the term ''miserable old git'' only in terms of relevance to that of the disposition of that of those who do want to sing who tend to be high spirited and fun-loving.

My Old Dear is not renound for demanding everyone around her give her the ''C-eeee!'' either, the East End would not be for her. I do however feel bored and restrained when accompanying her, luckilly The Atyeo is well suited to my older brother and his Mrs.

Also when I speak of 'atmosphere' I do not just mean singing, as you stated with the samba band (and one of the reasons I am against musical instruments at Football grounds) it just provides an artificial substitute for a lack of 'atmosphere'. What I mean by 'atmosphere' is that of the ambience of the People, in the vast majorety of AG it is flat, dead and yes miserable - last time I was in the Atyeo it was like people were almost to inhibbitted to even speak to each other. Now compare that to the East End during the Brentford game - there was jubilance, a buzz in the air, it was exciting. Met loads of randoms all who shared the common goal - enjoyment and celebration, ''WE CAME ONE'' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7LBwxh-uVM...ted&search= , singing is more a result of this than for singings sake itself. This is what those opposed to the East End can not seem to comprehend and that's why I label them 'miserable'. Credit to those who say: ''it's not for me - but I understand the appeal for others''.

That's it ''different floats for different folks'' and that is why us East End folk are so vocal and vociferous about it, we are denighed our float.

I believe the Club's refusal to open up the East End is due to it being in their eyes a potential ''catalyst for trouble'' and it being like a red flag for the hoolies not to mention an unneccessary inconveniance. (peruce the other 1000 threads on the subject for more details) For Category A games (Millwall, Cardiff, Stoke etc) I do have sympathy for their stance - still think we're handing Forest, Swansea and Yeovil the advantage on a plate mind you - as for Bradford, Chesterfield, Oldham etc, these games have no appeal to the hoolies anyway and it is simply the masses being blindly punished without good course. The cost for the Police isn't even neccessary judging by the Brentford party as I stated in the other post.

If you read my post 68 that's why i think the atmosphere is poor at the Gate. I really try to get fired up but still find it hard to do so.

I go with hope that we will play well and get a result as well as be entertaining but a lass this season at home the team is left wanting. Some of the responsibility must lay with the team to perform as well as the crowd to be vocal.

As for you saying that there is not going to be trouble you only need a few hot heads to infiltrate your ranks then you could have a problem there is only a flimsy bit of net between you and the away supporters that why the club must have adequate policing in the EE that's why it cost so much to open it up