Percy Parrot Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 If you actually knew more on the subject you would know that the stand at Forest that objects were thrown from has had this problem all season. Hardly City to blame.Same goes for Hull and Cardiff, long standing problems that do not involve City.Interesting you only seem to find examples for AWAY matches, with the home fans bing responsible.You seem stuck in the midset that trouble is inevitable. Funnily enough object throwing has not been mentioned once as a problem with the East End. Talk about making problems up that simply don't exist.1. I never said City were to blame (don't put words in my mouth). 2. I simply used the object throwing as an example of trouble inside a stadium (don't try to change my argument)3. For the "if you actually knew more on the subject" point- exactly my point! WE (as fans) do not know as much. If YOU knew more on the subject of Forest's visit, just like the police and BCFC do, then maybe you would have a different opinion.4. The examples are to prove that problems do still happen inside stadia- that's all (again, don't try to move my argument- I am not saying that City fans cause lots of trouble at home because they don't. However there HAVE been isolated cases of problems inside the ground)5. I never said throwing things is an ongoing problem. I said that it has happened else where and that it has the potential to happen in the East End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 His argument was lost some time ago.No- I have answered every point one by one and maintain that I trust BCFC and the police, who have more experience on this and know more about it, than you guys. Sorry but I do. I think that is a fair position.If City make the decision that they can put more fans in that stand or if they decide not to- then I will still trust them on it more than you.Do I believe that the club would deliberately lose money to spite their own fans? no. Not at all. That's utter rubbish. I believe whatever decision they come to will be done after careful consideration of money and safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I was at Cardiff having bottles of piss thrown at me, Hull with the chairs also and Forest.Whilst agreeing with you its not nice for the families, believe it or not these incidents happened EVERY week in the 70s & 80s and much, much worse !!!!I don't care that it was much worse in the past.The clubs and police should still do all they can to rid the game of it now.Just because there may have been more racist murders in the US a few decades ago, it still doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about any that take place today because "nevermind, it was far worse in the 50s and 60s" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 1. I never said City were to blame (don't put words in my mouth). The behaviour of other fans is irrelevant.2. I simply used the object throwing as an example of trouble inside a stadium (don't try to change my argument)It never happened in all the times the East End has been open in "recent" times.3. For the "if you actually knew more on the subject" point- exactly my point! WE (as fans) do not know as much. If YOU knew more on the subject of Forest's visit, just like the police and BCFC do, then maybe you would have a different opinion.Surely the CCTV we pay for and obviously the large amount of police and stewards are there to allay such a slight risk.4. The examples are to prove that problems do still happen inside stadia- that's all (again, don't try to move my argument- I am not saying that City fans cause lots of trouble at home because they don't. However there HAVE been isolated cases of problems inside the ground)It's inevitable that there will be small incidents given the thousands of individuals that go to football each week. You are saying that the East End makes it easier for these incidents to happen5. I never said throwing things is an ongoing problem. I said that it has happened else where and that it has the potential to happen in the East End.Which is an absurd point of view as far as I'm concerned. And I don't say that lightly, as on most matters that you post on, you do so in a thoughtfull way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 1. I never said City were to blame (don't put words in my mouth). The behaviour of other fans is irrelevant.[Percy]- Not really. If Forest fans decide it's a great opportunity to cause trouble then it is very relevant. Besides- my point was simply that trouble still happens inside football grounds. It is not a matter that can be totally ignored and forgotten about.2. I simply used the object throwing as an example of trouble inside a stadium (don't try to change my argument)It never happened in all the times the East End has been open in "recent" times.[Percy]- I never said it did- just that it was an example of trouble inside a ground recently.3. For the "if you actually knew more on the subject" point- exactly my point! WE (as fans) do not know as much. If YOU knew more on the subject of Forest's visit, just like the police and BCFC do, then maybe you would have a different opinion.Surely the CCTV we pay for and obviously the large amount of police and stewards are there to allay such a slight risk.[Percy]- Yes but we still have a responsibility to make their job as easy as possible. Otherwise we are putting police officers safety at risk, stewards safety at risk and fans safety at risk. 4. The examples are to prove that problems do still happen inside stadia- that's all (again, don't try to move my argument- I am not saying that City fans cause lots of trouble at home because they don't. However there HAVE been isolated cases of problems inside the ground)It's inevitable that there will be small incidents given the thousands of individuals that go to football each week. You are saying that the East End makes it easier for these incidents to happen[Percy]- Yes, I am. I think the number of issues stewards had to deal with and number of arrests at BCFC games did go up during some of the East End trials. It is a very sad fact. But yes- having a "second front" and fans in close proximity to each other does raise the risk of trouble to a certain extent.5. I never said throwing things is an ongoing problem. I said that it has happened else where and that it has the potential to happen in the East End.Which is an absurd point of view as far as I'm concerned. And I don't say that lightly, as on most matters that you post on, you do so in a thoughtfull way[Percy]- what is so strange about being concerned for fans safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHRIDGE BCFC Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I don't care that it was much worse in the past.The clubs and police should still do all they can to rid the game of it now.Just because there may have been more racist murders in the US a few decades ago, it still doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about any that take place today because "nevermind, it was far worse in the 50s and 60s"I cant be bothered arguing with you.You've got your opinion & i've got mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I cant be bothered arguing with you.You've got your opinion & i've got mine.I think you're right. I've wasted enough of my life on this topic!Only got 6 hours sleep last night as spent most of it writing on here!!! (this severly reduces my already slim chances of pulling a hottie tonight )Perhaps we can agree on this:-City have opened the east end for Forest with some restrictions (can't swap tickets and limited number).The reasons for doing this may or may not be correct. But while I am willing to believe they are done after thoughtful consideration- some of you guys think they are rash and some even say "spiteful". Not too sure how either of us could ever prove our view on this.Does this mean I have to actually do some work now!?! Oh well, only hour and a half to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHRIDGE BCFC Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I think you're right. I've wasted enough of my life on this topic!Only got 6 hours sleep last night as spent most of it writing on here!!! (this severly reduces my already slim chances of pulling a hottie tonight )Perhaps we can agree on this:-City have opened the east end for Forest with some restrictions (can't swap tickets and limited number).The reasons for doing this may or may not be correct. But while I am willing to believe they are done after thoughtful consideration- some of you guys think they are rash and some even say "spiteful". Not too sure how either of us could ever prove our view on this.Does this mean I have to actually do some work now!?! Oh well, only hour and a half to go.Good luck ###### hunting !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yeovilmac Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Genuine question.We visit on 14th April for the "War Of The West" and we've sold our initial allocation of 2,000 tickets. I believe we're expecting another 1,000 tickets to be sent down next week.Knowing the club as you do, if we sold that lot relatively quickly, what would City do? 1. Call it a day at 3,000; segregate a few seats then sell more to you?2. Give us another 500-1,000 and not let City in at all, making sure there was a gap between the Dolman and the EE?3. Say sod it and let us have the whole end?I don't think there was any City in the EE last season when we brought 2,700 fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Boy Posted March 23, 2007 Author Share Posted March 23, 2007 Genuine question.We visit on 14th April for the "War Of The West" and we've sold our initial allocation of 2,000 tickets. I believe we're expecting another 1,000 tickets to be sent down next week.Knowing the club as you do, if we sold that lot relatively quickly, what would City do? 1. Call it a day at 3,000; segregate a few seats then sell more to you?2. Give us another 500-1,000 and not let City in at all, making sure there was a gap between the Dolman and the EE?3. Say sod it and let us have the whole end?I don't think there was any City in the EE last season when we brought 2,700 fans.I would have given you the same number as you gave us-about 1,000 and filled the rest of the end, bar one block of seats, with City Fans.With you having sold 2,000, I'd leave it at that, segregate by one block and give City the rest.The club will give you 3,000, Us 600 and have about 1,400-1,900 seats empty at £19 a piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 They never predicted mass brawls and violent disorder. Would like to see a quote of the club saying that- start looking.They said that the trials had been misused by some (which they were) and that some people had caused trouble in there (which they did).This caused the police and club to be cautious about opening it again and that was disappointing (especially as I was one of those who had put a lot of effort in to getting it re-opened) but I can understand it.I was writing to the club, putting messages on the forum, printing flyers, calling the radio and all sorts to get that stand re-opened to City fans. When the trials were stopped it was not the club I felt let down by- it was those dozens of fans who felt it necessary to abuse their place in that stand by intimidating away fans and stewards.For the record- I hope that recent successful trials will see a cost-effective way to let City fans back in there on a regular basis without the stupidity.Please tell me how people can intimidate away fans from 50 yards away with 100 seats between them ?. Mate, going to football now is like going to a nursery school compared to 20 years ago.The over reaction from some of you on here is laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Genuine question.We visit on 14th April for the "War Of The West" and we've sold our initial allocation of 2,000 tickets. I believe we're expecting another 1,000 tickets to be sent down next week.Knowing the club as you do, if we sold that lot relatively quickly, what would City do? 1. Call it a day at 3,000; segregate a few seats then sell more to you?2. Give us another 500-1,000 and not let City in at all, making sure there was a gap between the Dolman and the EE?3. Say sod it and let us have the whole end?I don't think there was any City in the EE last season when we brought 2,700 fans.War of the west ?? . Oh come on you cant be serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yeovilmac Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Come on Bill, it was only tongue in cheek... :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Please tell me how people can intimidate away fans from 50 yards away with 100 seats between them ?. Mate, going to football now is like going to a nursery school compared to 20 years ago.The over reaction from some of you on here is laughable Spot on there; pride and passion is being strangled to death by the p.c brigade, how long before any sort of noise is frowned on bar polite applause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 They never predicted mass brawls and violent disorder. Would like to see a quote of the club saying that- start looking.The club have consistently said the EE could not be opened due to the trouble there would be. The insinuation is fighting, brawling, etc, unless you think that it means something else. I was at a meeting where Sexstone said there had been disorder in the EE when it was opened last season. When asked to define "disorder" he said lots of people had been "standing up and moving around". Like Bristol Boy and Cynic, I wouldnt necessarily go in the EE if it was opened. But I respect the wishes of those who would, unlike Sexstone, Lansdown, Draisey, etc, who clearly had no idea of the strength of feeling on this matter. If they still haven't they're either stupid or simply unwilling to listen to a very simple and reasonable request from long standing fans of this club, people that will be around long after they are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 .... the East End opens up a second front- ask Hitler about such difficulties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Spot on there; pride and passion is being strangled to death by the p.c brigade, how long before any sort of noise is frowned on bar polite applause It's nothing to do with noise. Totally different matter.Anyone who's been to a City match with me knows that I am far from quiet. I love a great atmosphere. I just think that every step to avoid trouble should be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 No- I have answered every point one by one and maintain that I trust BCFC and the police, who have more experience on this and know more about it, than you guys. Sorry but I do. I think that is a fair position.If City make the decision that they can put more fans in that stand or if they decide not to- then I will still trust them on it more than you.Do I believe that the club would deliberately lose money to spite their own fans? no. Not at all. That's utter rubbish. I believe whatever decision they come to will be done after careful consideration of money and safety.trust the club on the premier seats?trust the club on junior city strikers?trust the club on the east end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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