Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 just a thought please don't rape me.......The likes of Enoch, Jevons, Williams, and even Brooker, really would struggle the next league up.Well perhaps this is something their aware of as the season draws to an end.Ok, their contracted, but WE ALL know that the club would have to bring in decent strikers to survive up there.So, just perhaps the named players know this, and promotion wouldnt be a worthy cause for them.Please please, my own feelings and i bloody hope I'm nowhere near hitting the right note, just a thought! :sofa: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I think many fans will agree with you. A fully fit and fireing Brooker would be a force in the Championship but as for the others........ :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 just a thought please don't rape me.......The likes of Enoch, Jevons, Williams, and even Brooker, really would struggle the next league up.Well perhaps this is something their aware of as the season draws to an end.Ok, their contracted, but WE ALL know that the club would have to bring in decent strikers to survive up there.So, just perhaps the named players know this, and promotion wouldnt be a worthy cause for them.Please please, my own feelings and i bloody hope I'm nowhere near hitting the right note, just a thought! :sofa:Lansdown said on saturday that the club are looking at strikers for next season should we go up. And he said that it doesnt matter whether its 1 or 5 strikers we need to bring in, he will do all he can to support GJ and keep us up there. In other words, saying none of the current strikers we have are good enough (the way i took it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 I think many fans will agree with you. A fully fit and fireing Brooker would be a force in the Championship but as for the others........ :noexpression:Thanks, lets hope GJ can dangle the carrot and sort of promise them a deal should promotion be gained...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeRed Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 just a thought please don't rape me.......The likes of Enoch, Jevons, Williams, and even Brooker, really would struggle the next league up.Well perhaps this is something their aware of as the season draws to an end.Ok, their contracted, but WE ALL know that the club would have to bring in decent strikers to survive up there.So, just perhaps the named players know this, and promotion wouldnt be a worthy cause for them.Please please, my own feelings and i bloody hope I'm nowhere near hitting the right note, just a thought! :sofa:I agree with you 100% If they cant do it now the going has got tough then what hope is there when we are in the Championship? We got to think oueselfs VERY lucky Forest are choking at this late stage. That's the only reason we are now in 2nd place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 Lansdown said on saturday that the club are looking at strikers for next season should we go up. And he said that it doesnt matter whether its 1 or 5 strikers we need to bring in, he will do all he can to support GJ and keep us up there. In other words, saying none of the current strikers we have are good enough (the way i took it)See Giles, if that has been said, then what incentive have the named few to give 100%....?None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betelgeuse Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I agree, both Jevons and Showunmi have played there but not very successfull. A fit and on form Brooker would be ok but the Brooker we've seen this season wouldn't be. I think we're fine with the GK's Basso and Weale (when he's fit), Defence looks good, Orr, Carey, McCombe and McAllister with Keogh, Wilson and Fontaine as cover, maybe 1 more defender who can play in a few positions. Midfield may need a few more players, natural winger(s) and a tough tackler would be nice! Up front is where we're going to need major improvements with at least 2 more strikers coming in. I think that at least 1 of Brooks, Jevo and Showunmi will leave before next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 See Giles, if that has been said, then what incentive have the named few to give 100%....?NoneOn the flip side, would that not give them the incentive to start playing out of their skin to prove to the fans, GJ and SL that they deserve to be playing for us in the championship next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeRed Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I think that at least 1 of Brooks, Jevo and Showunmi will leave before next year.They have got to start scoring goals now!! in the remainig games to prove us wrong. If they don't then i would like to see them on the 'striker scrap heap' in June. Jevo and The Big Show not scoring is just not exceptible in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 But how are they going to score, if Betsy cant beat a bag of cement and Wilson is a right back playing left wing - and as a result - no service?!I can count on one hand the number of times one of our players got to the byline. It was embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I think many fans will agree with you. A fully fit and fireing Brooker would be a force in the Championship but as for the others........ :noexpression:To be honest, RR, I don't think even Brooker is good enough for the next level. He has ALWAYS had a problem with his first touch and, for me, you can't be a top pro without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 On the flip side, would that not give them the incentive to start playing out of their skin to prove to the fans, GJ and SL that they deserve to be playing for us in the championship next season?Yes agree, but would they belive it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartolona Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 just a thought please don't rape me.......Now say it like you mean it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednready Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 In the Championship, defence we have good cover. Center midfield, Russell is out of contract. We start with Johnson, Noble, Artus and Skuse. The left and right wing are non existant we need at least 2. Murray is 34 next season and we have not had a real left winger for ???. Strikers......Brooker will do a job if fit, the rest will not do the job. To summarise, we need wingers and strikers, and thats around 5-6 quality players.............get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 A fair comment Arny but surely the most important thing for them is that they have "promoted with Bristol City - 2007" on their CV. Theyve got the chance to try and prove themselves at a higher level, so they should be doing everything to ensure they get there.Good point, perhaps S Lansdown comments about new strikers for the championship a little premature then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 ArnyPresumably all of the strikers, together with the rest of the squad, will be on attractive bonuses to achieve promotion this season? This financial incentive, together with the kudos attached to being a winner as well as the extended holiday they'll enjoy if they get automatic promotion, rather than go through the play-offs, surely mean that these guys will be trying all they can to get us across the finishing line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 ArnyPresumably all of the strikers, together with the rest of the squad, will be on attractive bonuses to achieve promotion this season? This financial incentive, together with the kudos attached to being a winner as well as the extended holiday they'll enjoy if they get automatic promotion, rather than go through the play-offs, surely mean that these guys will be trying all they can to get us across the finishing line?Very good point RH and one i overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 ArnyPresumably all of the strikers, together with the rest of the squad, will be on attractive bonuses to achieve promotion this season? This financial incentive, together with the kudos attached to being a winner as well as the extended holiday they'll enjoy if they get automatic promotion, rather than go through the play-offs, surely mean that these guys will be trying all they can to get us across the finishing line?Exactly right - so its even more frustrating when the 'strikers' can't score and get slated by the manager for not trying hard enough.Begs the queston - 'what more do they need to get motivated?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcphoenix Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 i believe there is an agreement in place with pospisil (sp?) whereby he will sign if we are promotedyou may also find that GJ has someone lined up who no one has heard of (ie, mccombe, mcalister, basso) though i do admit his attacking signings have been a little weak. brookers first touch is very troubling indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 i believe there is an agreement in place with pospisil (sp?) whereby he will sign if we are promotedyou may also find that GJ has someone lined up who no one has heard of (ie, mccombe, mcalister, basso) though i do admit his attacking signings have been a little weak. brookers first touch is very troubling indeed.Where did you hear that to..certainly not the main City site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcphoenix Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 i didn't its just my suspicion - it makes sense really though doesn't it, its the only reason he didn't sign in january as league one was too low. also in the championship we'd be better able to pay his wages and with the wage rises the other squad members will get, it will mean theres less of a gap between him and them. its all pretty common sense i reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 i didn't its just my suspicion - it makes sense really though doesn't it, its the only reason he didn't sign in january as league one was too low. also in the championship we'd be better able to pay his wages and with the wage rises the other squad members will get, it will mean theres less of a gap between him and them. its all pretty common sense i reckonBut i suppose we/me/you could say that about a hatfull of players.Promotion will bring the better striker knocking on Citys door.Getting there 1st is the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledinwatford Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Exactly right - so its even more frustrating when the 'strikers' can't score and get slated by the manager for not trying hard enough.Begs the queston - 'what more do they need to get motivated?'I can't believe they haven't got the Captains' boot up their Arsenal. Basso, Orr, Carey, McCombe, Keogh, Johnson, Skuse must cringe every time they see Jevons or Showunmi lose another challenge or Betsy race 10 yards then turn back. Maybe there's not enough peer pressure - surely the players can see how much effort Carey is putting into challenges? Jevons and Showunmi look like they're playing netball by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Red to the world Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I can't believe they haven't got the Captains' boot up their Arsenal. Basso, Orr, Carey, McCombe, Keogh, Johnson, Skuse must cringe every time they see Jevons or Showunmi lose another challenge or Betsy race 10 yards then turn back. Maybe there's not enough peer pressure - surely the players can see how much effort Carey is putting into challenges? Jevons and Showunmi look like they're playing netball by comparison.That's cos most games they are - Jevons I believe would do quite well in a stronger team - he is a bit too intelligent for most of our lot but Enoch is just a donkey and was a bad signing IMO - first touch is dreadful ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_man_terry Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 That's cos most games they are - Jevons I believe would do quite well in a stronger team - he is a bit too intelligent for most of our lot but Enoch is just a donkey and was a bad signing IMO - first touch is dreadful !Enoch - free transfer, has missed alot of games due to injuries, yet still managed to make double figures! good enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 I can't believe they haven't got the Captains' boot up their Arsenal. Basso, Orr, Carey, McCombe, Keogh, Johnson, Skuse must cringe every time they see Jevons or Showunmi lose another challenge or Betsy race 10 yards then turn back. Maybe there's not enough peer pressure - surely the players can see how much effort Carey is putting into challenges? Jevons and Showunmi look like they're playing netball by comparison.Evening Paul, anxious like me i see.Anyway, i think what you are saying is 100% spot on.Surely GJ son must speak to his dad about our striking problems?Surely GJ agrees with his son, that the guys just aint doing it?Or is that taboo in the Johnson house?I cant see it!!!!And for all of us who have played football, you cant tell me the players don't have words with their performances? We always did, almost a bloody fight.......cant see GJ cant 100% cut all that from the changing room.I also think its "healthy", when fellow team members can have a did at others performances.It should inspire them to go out, have a cracker, and quietly wisper back..."shove that where the sun don't shine".But does that happen?You tell me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Red to the world Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Enoch - free transfer, has missed alot of games due to injuries, yet still managed to make double figures! good enough for meBut definitely not good enough for the championship - where he came from aren't exactly doing well and they dumped him !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledinwatford Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Evening Paul, anxious like me i see.Anyway, i think what you are saying is 100% spot on.Surely GJ son must speak to his dad about our striking problems?Surely GJ agrees with his son, that the guys just aint doing it?Or is that taboo in the Johnson house?I cant see it!!!!And for all of us who have played football, you cant tell me the players don't have words with their performances? We always did, almost a bloody fight.......cant see GJ cant 100% cut all that from the changing room.I also think its "healthy", when fellow team members can have a did at others performances.It should inspire them to go out, have a cracker, and quietly wisper back..."shove that where the sun don't shine".But does that happen?You tell meHi Arn - it was even worse for me yesterday as we met some pals who are Gills fans for a few pints before and after They thought Showunmi was frightened to get his kit dirty, Betsy was useless and were amazed that Jevo scored three in his career let alone against them in the cup. Orr, Carey, Keogh and LJ came in for some well earned praise.I think GJ did have a go at Enoch at half time as he did improve a little. You're right about being anxious - can't wait for Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 Hi Arn - it was even worse for me yesterday as we met some pals who are Gills fans for a few pints before and after They thought Showunmi was frightened to get his kit dirty, Betsy was useless and were amazed that Jevo scored three in his career let alone against them in the cup. Orr, Carey, Keogh and LJ came in for some well earned praise.I think GJ did have a go at Enoch at half time as he did improve a little. You're right about being anxious - can't wait for Saturday!Ditto mate...perhaps an extra 3 pints on top of the norm 4 will help........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 just a thought please don't rape me.......The likes of Enoch, Jevons, Williams, and even Brooker, really would struggle the next league up.Well perhaps this is something their aware of as the season draws to an end.Ok, their contracted, but WE ALL know that the club would have to bring in decent strikers to survive up there.So, just perhaps the named players know this, and promotion wouldnt be a worthy cause for them.Please please, my own feelings and i bloody hope I'm nowhere near hitting the right note, just a thought! :sofa:I think youre spot on there Arn. Cant think of a better reason, in a promotion seeking side. Johnsons "apparant" (Note people "Apparant") inability to work with players who have a pedigree may, repeat may be another.To be honest, RR, I don't think even Brooker is good enough for the next level. He has ALWAYS had a problem with his first touch and, for me, you can't be a top pro without it.No I don't think Brooker is anymore. I thought he would be the one striker who could cut the mustard up a league. Hes too much a sicknote now. cue death threats from his numba one fan.... :noexpression: *gulp*I can't believe they haven't got the Captains' boot up their Arsenal. Basso, Orr, Carey, McCombe, Keogh, Johnson, Skuse must cringe every time they see Jevons or Showunmi lose another challenge or Betsy race 10 yards then turn back. Maybe there's not enough peer pressure - surely the players can see how much effort Carey is putting into challenges? Jevons and Showunmi look like they're playing netball by comparison.Again absolutely spot on there EIW, makes Arnys suggestion more a likely one.Citys defence, is the best in the division, and would cope with most championship sides,and with a winger and a tough tackling midfielder, would make that good enough if we get up, but tis up front, its embarrassing at the moment. I would rather have Leapy, than ANY of the current crew, and I never rated him at all. Indeed I would suggest the Leapy/Robbo/Miller trio would be better than what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted April 10, 2007 Author Share Posted April 10, 2007 I think youre spot on there Arn. Cant think of a better reason, in a promotion seeking side. Johnsons "apparant" (Note people "Apparant") inability to work with players who have a pedigree may, repeat may be another.No I don't think Brooker is anymore. I thought he would be the one striker who could cut the mustard up a league. Hes too much a sicknote now. cue death threats from his numba one fan.... :noexpression: *gulp*Again absolutely spot on there EIW, makes Arnys suggestion more a likely one.Citys defence, is the best in the division, and would cope with most championship sides,and with a winger and a tough tackling midfielder, would make that good enough if we get up, but tis up front, its embarrassing at the moment. I would rather have Leapy, than ANY of the current crew, and I never rated him at all. Indeed I would suggest the Leapy/Robbo/Miller trio would be better than what we have now.I just hope to god Bucks, a certain person don't come back on sat to "bite" us on the arse!!!!No names metioned, sure me ald mate can work that out....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giles_23_bcfc Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 No, I think you need to be careful, we must not confuse backing players who get us up, with the will of the club to back the manager with the right equipment on the field. He said 1 to 5 strikers, not 3 to 5, so it is better to say that if the manager wants one striker they will try and back him, idem for 5. I do not read it as not having faith in the current lot.However, IMHO we will need at least 3 strikers (Jevons, Brooker and Smith to go, Enoch also possible)What he meant was that it doesnt amtter how many strikers are needed if at all, he will back GJ to bring in as many as he feels is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I just hope to god Bucks, a certain person don't come back on sat to "bite" us on the arse!!!!No names metioned, sure me ald mate can work that out.......No I'm reasonably confident in our defence, if nowt else Arn.....but yer right mate, yer right :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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